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thesquanderer

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24. Medicare and ACA are BOTH reasonable models to consider.
Thu Nov 14, 2019, 12:08 PM
Nov 2019

Building on ACA advantages: Less government involvement (which many people, especially non-Dems, see as an advantage). Lower amount of money the government must bring in to pay for it. Less disruptive to the health care industry. People can kinda keep the private insurance plan they have... though as Obama found out, that's not really a promise anyone can make. Many of us over many years of private insurance have run into times when we have not been able to keep the insurance we had (i.e. because the insurance companies themselves discontinue a plan, or because we change jobs, or because our employer changes the plans available to its employees, or because a premium increase forces us to find another plan)... and ACA does not change any of that... which is why much of the argument about whether people can keep their private plans is kind of bogus, as there is never any assurance that we can really keep our private plans, there never has been. However, there is an advantage with ACA over MFA in that it is *likely* you will be able to keep your current private plan, at least for *some* amount of time, as opposed to definitely phasing it out.

Advantages of MFA: Covers everyone, and covers virtually every healthcare need, neither of which are things that any existing "build on ACA" plan does. Removes the layer of expense which is created by the insurance companies, whose primary goal is not health care, but rather to return profits to their shareholders. Removes the administration expense/complication of medical facilities dealing with tons of different forms/procedures/requirements from different insurance companies, instead they only need to deal with the one (i.e. the government system, as opposed to what they do today which is the government system for medicare plus a ton of others). The idea behind these last couple is that more of the money being put into the system is actually being used to provide health care.

To your other point, MFA is not "starting from scratch," it is still building on an existing Medicare system whose administrative procedures are in place and familiar to providers. But it will cover more things, for more people. Please also see my post #23.

However, whether such a plan can actually pass, and if not, the prospect of it being better to settle for half a loaf than none, are reasonable concerns. My feeling is that a President Warren or President Sanders would indeed settle for the half a loaf if they had to. That is, if the best Congress could bring to their desk was an improved ACA with some nods toward any progress at all toward something like MFA, they would sign it rather than veto it. But even those small nods toward MFA would more likely be absent if our president hadn't campaigned in support of any kind of MFA in the first place.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
Well, since we won a record breaking number of house seats, I'm not worried. vsrazdem Nov 2019 #1
Moderates won back the house running on the ACA and /or local issues...so if we run on MFA,you Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #3
Not going to happen. vsrazdem Nov 2019 #10
Medicare for All is a recipe for a Republican Congress. Gothmog Nov 2019 #34
Medicare for all in its current form will not be the final product. There will be compromise just vsrazdem Nov 2019 #38
And I do not want to lose downballot races due to a plan that was proven to hurt candidates Gothmog Nov 2019 #39
Whoever wins the primary will be the one running and that choice is for the American people to vsrazdem Nov 2019 #40
Coattails and helping downballot candidates are important criterion Gothmog Nov 2019 #43
Whoever wins, wins. That's how it works, it is about the president of the US, not about vsrazdem Nov 2019 #45
We won those seats with candidates who ran away from Medicare for All Gothmog Nov 2019 #32
From Harry Reid Gothmog Nov 2019 #59
It's a loser period evertonfc Nov 2019 #2
I don't like Medicare...don't get me wrong...glad such a program exist...but there are multiple Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #4
I'm curious, dware Nov 2019 #7
I would like to see universal healthcare modeled on the military program...we have a great program Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #11
Thank you for the reply. dware Nov 2019 #12
Don't let anyone take them away...no one in any party...union and military benefits are the best Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #15
That's exactly why I'm a solid Democrat. dware Nov 2019 #17
The GOP have been coming for your benefits for years...But I think MFA is a threat to union Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #18
+1million. dware Nov 2019 #19
re: "I don't like Medicare...there are multiple flaws in this program." thesquanderer Nov 2019 #8
Medicare is the model though and it shouldn't be IMHO. I fail to see why it is a good idea to start Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #13
Medicare and ACA are BOTH reasonable models to consider. thesquanderer Nov 2019 #24
If what you get isn't current medicare, then it's not "medicare for all" brooklynite Nov 2019 #20
If you want to expand on the ACA or Obamacare, then don't call it the ACA or Obamacare. Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2019 #22
LOL, says much more concisely what I was basically saying in post #23! (n/t) thesquanderer Nov 2019 #25
Build on Obamacare not tear it apart! Gothmog Nov 2019 #33
The proper name would be "single payer"... thesquanderer Nov 2019 #23
Yes, we need Medicare For All not Mediocre For All. EmInColorado Nov 2019 #30
Welcome to DU, Em. JudyM Nov 2019 #37
Warren's latest health plan is causing concerns for some centrist, moderate and rural Democrats Gothmog Nov 2019 #60
He's correct, and it won't be a winner next year either. George II Nov 2019 #5
If it matters to anyone, it was based on 2016 presidential info backtoblue Nov 2019 #6
It matters... losing issues can become winning issues 4 years later. thesquanderer Nov 2019 #9
It is not a winning issue and there is no question...those running on the ACA are doing better...we Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #14
The article specifically talks about the 2018 midterms. Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #16
Read the actual study Gothmog Nov 2019 #29
I still don't get why a candidate can't concentrate on Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2019 #21
Because that would make them a corporatist DINO sellout. Try to keep up..... brooklynite Nov 2019 #28
Try to keep up! There's a monster in the White House and half of America find ridding Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2019 #31
Joe is focusing on this Gothmog Nov 2019 #35
Yes...he lived through the gruel of even coercing Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2019 #36
KR! Yes it was. Cha Nov 2019 #26
Medicare for All a Vote Loser in 2018 U.S. House Elections Gothmog Nov 2019 #27
right-wing... myohmy2 Nov 2019 #41
LARRY Sabato is not a right winger Gothmog Nov 2019 #42
You do remember we lost the House, and ultimately the Senate primarily due to suspicions over ACA? Tarheel_Dem Nov 2019 #44
I think... myohmy2 Nov 2019 #46
... PhoenixDem Nov 2019 #48
The midterm elections were, to an important extent, a referendum on the Affordable Care Act Gothmog Nov 2019 #56
+1. I can't imagine Congress Critters having to go back home and defend something that... Tarheel_Dem Nov 2019 #57
MFA is political suicide n/t PhoenixDem Nov 2019 #47
Mfa done right will be a winning issue. Joe941 Nov 2019 #49
Medicare for All at the top of the ticket in 2020 will lose us the House. Gothmog Nov 2019 #50
A scare tactic. We need to be bold! Joe941 Nov 2019 #51
I trust Speaker Pelosi Gothmog Nov 2019 #52
"Obamacare Is A Vote Loser! Run Away!" wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #53
The ACA was a winning issue for Democrats in 2018 Gothmog Nov 2019 #55
Yes it only took 8 years wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #58
Not so. Democrats have been for the ACA since treestar Nov 2019 #63
Michigan Democrats show less enthusiasm for progressive policies Gothmog Nov 2019 #54
MFA is not popular Gothmog Nov 2019 #61
Medicare for All's JOBS problem Gothmog Nov 2019 #62
Nancy Pelosi is "not for doing away with Obamacare" and prefers to give people choices. Gothmog Dec 2019 #64
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