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NNadir

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55. Yes, both statements are true.
Thu Oct 31, 2019, 07:13 PM
Oct 2019

And no, Sanders is not the only candidate who is against nuclear power.

Opposing nuclear power is our equivalent of creationism.

The difference between Sanders and other candidates is, 1) Sanders worked to and succeeded at making his state dependent on dangerous fossil fuels.

Secondly, Sanders has not expressed a new idea on energy in half a century and shows no flexibility of thought.

Opposing nuclear energy kills people.
Nuclear power saves lives.

Prevented Mortality and Greenhouse Gas Emissions from Historical and Projected Nuclear Power (Pushker A. Kharecha* and James E. Hansen Environ. Sci. Technol., 2013, 47 (9), pp 4889–4895
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Vermont Leads the US in Wood Stove Emissions

While Sanders has carried on for decades about how dangerous (?) nuclear power is, seven million people die each year from air pollution, slightly less than half of which involves burning biomass, something that kills people in Vermont.

There has been a worldwide effort to phase out nuclear power, because of the extremely ignorant belief that nuclear power is "dangerous" lead by people with thinking as poor as that of Sanders with his active participation in this stupidity.

A nuclear plant in his state operated for decades. How dangerous was it? How many people were killed by its operations?

I follow the carbon dioxide concentrations measured at Mauna Loa weekly, and have done so for years.

For the first time in recorded history, we have reached an annual increase rate of 2.4 ppm/year of the dangerous fossil fuel waste carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.

Here is the data from the 2018 IEA World Energy Outlook (the 2019 version will be published on November 13 of this year):

In this century, world energy demand grew by 164.83 exajoules to 584.95 exajoules.

In this century, world gas demand grew by 43.38 exajoules to 130.08 exajoules.

In this century, the use of petroleum grew by 32.03 exajoules to 185.68 exajoules.

In this century, the use of coal grew by 60.25 exajoules to 157.01 exajoules.

In this century, the solar, wind, geothermal, and tidal energy on which people so cheerfully have bet the entire planetary atmosphere, stealing the future from all future generations, grew by 8.12 exajoules to 10.63 exajoules.

10.63 exajoules is under 2% of the world energy demand.

2018 Edition of the World Energy Outlook Table 1.1 Page 38 (I have converted MTOE in the original table to the SI unit exajoules in this text.)

Bernie Sanders will not be moved by these facts, although facts matter.

My candidate nominally opposes nuclear power, but she has a demonstrated history of being moved by facts.

The fact is that rote opposition to nuclear power is a crime against humanity, a crime against all future generations.

Listen: In 1970 both Bernie Sanders and I opposed nuclear power. We both thought ourselves, I suppose, "Campus radicals." The difference between us is that I devoted my life to the study of energy, and he devoted his life to repeating the same bullshit slogans.

I have no use for him whatsoever. People will die in Vermont in the next few weeks from air pollution; how many I can't say, but worldwide 19,000 will die today from it, half from burning "renewable" biomass. That's 130 in the next ten minutes.

Nothing about these facts will move Bernie Sanders. He will still continuously issue the absurd and unsupportable argument that nuclear power is "dangerous." Compared to what?

I hope I make myself perfectly clear.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
I actually hope Gabbards runs 3rd-party [View all] scheming daemons Oct 2019 OP
Yup. LaurenOlimina Oct 2019 #1
Folks fail to remember: Jill Stein got 1.4M votes, while Gary Johnson took 4.4 Million from Trump. TheBlackAdder Oct 2019 #32
Do you want Democrats to lose again? W_HAMILTON Oct 2019 #2
How would her running hurt Democrats? scheming daemons Oct 2019 #4
Not true. If Warren is nominated, for example, some Democrats will vote for someone who looks more Nitram Oct 2019 #7
Gabbard isn't "middle of the road"... and will get no votes that would've gone Dem scheming daemons Oct 2019 #20
Gabbard is running against the establishment "Clinton wing" of the party, not the left. thesquanderer Oct 2019 #39
I literally just laid out an entire post explaining it. W_HAMILTON Oct 2019 #12
And what you laid out is false scheming daemons Oct 2019 #21
That's your (completely incorrect) opinion. W_HAMILTON Oct 2019 #43
As a long time independent/third party voter SterlingPound Oct 2019 #52
She has some Democratic support here, so I would not be so sure. hlthe2b Oct 2019 #35
Trashing thread JonLP24 Oct 2019 #3
So you actually like Gabbard? scheming daemons Oct 2019 #5
Many Bernie supporters radical noodle Oct 2019 #6
If Bernie supporters like Tulsi they are severely deluded. She is way to the right of Sanders. Nitram Oct 2019 #8
Yes I'm deluded JonLP24 Oct 2019 #11
I'd be sincerely interested to know how the Iraq War has influenced your decision, Jon. Nitram Oct 2019 #13
A lot of the right wing support outside of libertarians with similar FP views JonLP24 Oct 2019 #16
You hate most Democrats? radical noodle Oct 2019 #14
No I didn't say I hate any Democrats JonLP24 Oct 2019 #17
Nevertheless, you spoke of Democrats as separate entities from yourself. NNadir Oct 2019 #18
I voted for Democrats my entire life over voting age and I am a registered Democrat JonLP24 Oct 2019 #23
Well, I always vote for Democrats. NNadir Oct 2019 #24
So do I. I don't know how many times I have to state I voted for Democrats JonLP24 Oct 2019 #25
Supporting the "New Green Deal" is not... NNadir Oct 2019 #41
Bill Nye is known for science as well and he endorses the green new deal JonLP24 Oct 2019 #42
Bill Nye is a celebrity and not a primary research scientist. NNadir Oct 2019 #46
I don't watch him on TV JonLP24 Oct 2019 #48
Well I am a scientist. As such... NNadir Oct 2019 #50
I have no reason to think he won't seek out advice from experts JonLP24 Oct 2019 #53
I do. He's an old man who has NEVER spoken to a scientific expert. It's a clear as day. NNadir Nov 2019 #56
Your climate change beef with Sanders is because he is against nuclear power. thesquanderer Oct 2019 #36
Yes, both statements are true. NNadir Oct 2019 #55
Ah, I misunderstood your comment radical noodle Oct 2019 #19
She is close to Sanders on most issues. In 2016, she even resigned her DNC position... thesquanderer Oct 2019 #38
I don't want to get into a flame war over this JonLP24 Oct 2019 #10
I wish she would too. roody Oct 2019 #9
She is lots of things. scheming daemons Oct 2019 #22
Muffled laugh. Nt BootinUp Oct 2019 #27
Double Muffed Laugh LovingA2andMI Oct 2019 #31
Gabbard could get stein voters that helped get trump rigged in.. Cha Oct 2019 #15
I guess she could run 3rd party in some states, but not all. CaptainTruth Oct 2019 #26
Post removed Post removed Oct 2019 #28
Tulsi is not... Mike Nelson Oct 2019 #29
I recced because it's an interesting thought, but BootinUp Oct 2019 #30
I'm so sick of hearing about this person. redqueen Oct 2019 #33
"The 2% of Democrats who support her were *NEVER* going to vote for the Democratic nominee" Devil Child Oct 2019 #34
re: "A recent poll showed that she has the support of ...27% of Republicans." thesquanderer Oct 2019 #37
She won't run third-party if the polls show her hurting Trump Stuy Oct 2019 #40
And by she, you mean Putin robbedvoter Oct 2019 #45
Well Stuy Oct 2019 #47
3rd party have a long history of enabling 🐀🔩ing robbedvoter Oct 2019 #44
Repubs aren't voting for her ass in a million years.... Blue_Tires Oct 2019 #49
Don't underestimate her capacity to create mayhem on purpose. mahina Oct 2019 #51
Totally on board with Tulsi running 3rd party. Aaron Pereira Oct 2019 #54
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