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Skidmore

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100. I have an 18 yr old grandson

Tue Oct 29, 2019, 04:24 AM

Oct 2019

who I call "child" sometimes. But I've been known to call his teenage sister and their mother the same.

Truly sick of the nitpicking. Has anyone been paying attention to what has happening in the real world beyond the campaigns? The record is important. As far as the implication that the man is some sort of raging sexist, I don't see it in his life. The way he interacts with the women in his life bears witness to that. His record includes VAWA.

I think many men, including much younger ones, don't begin as fully fledged feminists. There are many societal pressures beyond the home to overcome. What I see is that Biden's parents raised a man to respect women. As with Obama, do you really believe that a woman like his wife would be with him were he not attentive and respectful of her ideas?

I'm not looking for axes to grind. We have someone in the WH who has multiple assault charges from women and is systematically shredding the laws that protect us and have been established on the road to personhood. This whatever is not a hill to die on.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Report: 'Look at My Record, Child,' Biden Tells Adult Climate Campaigner in Condescending Response [View all] JoeOtterbein Oct 2019 OP

Sometimes condescension is the appropriate response maximusveritas Oct 2019 #1

So does Joe's resume makes it ok? JoeOtterbein Oct 2019 #5

Seriously!! Just imagine if Bernie had said this?! They'd be telling him to withdraw from the race!! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #56

There's people here who would be outraged that's for sure. cwydro Oct 2019 #106

Absolutely, the same standards should apply. I've been critical of Bernie InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #115

I've never been a Bernie fan, and I never will be - but you're right. cwydro Oct 2019 #123

You're SO right, as usual cwydro... and, like you, people don't have to be Bernie fans to be FAIR. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #127

Would you have asked such a dumbly phrased question? treestar Oct 2019 #140

I'm a helluva lot older now, and I don't think it was such a bad question. cwydro Oct 2019 #158

Agree to disagree that he deserves that treestar Oct 2019 #209

Yes and I can easily imagine a good answer karynnj Oct 2019 #226

If Bernie had said whay Joe said ritapria Oct 2019 #120

OMG, yes, Bernie wouldve been skewered and slow roasted until he begged to be put out of his misery! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #122

Well, so treestar Oct 2019 #141

Or Hillary StarfishSaver Oct 2019 #168

Well to be fair she did tell a young woman 'well why don't you run for office then' redqueen Oct 2019 #169

That's very different and much less offensive StarfishSaver Oct 2019 #170

In that case the young woman was also repeating anti-democratic propaganda. betsuni Oct 2019 #180

Neither is an excuse for being rude. redqueen Oct 2019 #182

Neither of them were rude. betsuni Oct 2019 #183

I think both were rude. nt redqueen Oct 2019 #184

Yes... as the saying goes: two wrongs don't make one right. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #185

That is a horrible homily to place above your candidates. LSFL Oct 2019 #228

So, is casting a needed and good response as condescending "OK"? Hortensis Oct 2019 #129

Yes. Compared to the way others might react considering the circumstances, he was polite. George II Oct 2019 #134

Who would be that rude? nt USALiberal Oct 2019 #220

Yes Loki Liesmith Oct 2019 #159

Yes. Blue_true Oct 2019 #190

Yep. sure does. -nt Amimnoch Oct 2019 #217

I would be gentler than that. I'm 60 and have mentored many young professionals. PatrickforO Oct 2019 #7

How can anyone possibly excuse Joe's condescending comment to an adult female? InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #58

A few things about that - first it's TWENTY SEVEN SECONDS, no indication of what happened before.... George II Oct 2019 #136

Yeah, I remember that Sunrise video. It was a bit...edited to make Feinstein look bad. PatrickforO Oct 2019 #156

You rightfully go into a lot of other details that are part of the policy that our next nominee... George II Oct 2019 #171

+1 betsuni Oct 2019 #181

Thank you Wawannabe Oct 2019 #163

Context Wawannabe Oct 2019 #164

If she is too young for the heat, keep her out of the kitchen treestar Oct 2019 #142

Agree. Elders who have given their lives to serve the nation deserve respect. IluvPitties Oct 2019 #9

Condescension to an adult, even a young adult, is NEVER the appropriate response, pnwmom Oct 2019 #16

Yeah, that always works out in the GE. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2019 #39

IKR!! Surprising, coming from such a seasoned politician!! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #42

Doesn't matter how I would feel, I"m not running for president. Merlot Oct 2019 #49

Not if you want that 18 year old's vote Raven123 Oct 2019 #130

Some don't WANT the new vote. They see charming 100,000 Trump voters blm Nov 2019 #232

I keep hearing we must be careful not to offend condescend to people in order to get their support StarfishSaver Oct 2019 #167

Nice try! nt USALiberal Oct 2019 #219

An 18 year old is a voter karynnj Oct 2019 #225

So? boomer_wv Oct 2019 #2

This Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2019 #24

Indeed +++ RelativelyJones Oct 2019 #62

Oh no... save all the hand wringing and condescending rage?.. Thekaspervote Oct 2019 #81

"Look at my record, child." bluewater Oct 2019 #3

I wonder if he'd have said the same to a male 18 year old. cwydro Oct 2019 #12

I think you're right. He reserves his warmest condescension for females. n/t pnwmom Oct 2019 #18

It sure seems that way... I could be wrong though. Just can't think of an alternative example. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #59

I guess it could be worse. Not like his campaign has faced charges of sexism. MrsCoffee Oct 2019 #125

+1 betsuni Oct 2019 #126

I know you are both right. And that hurts me because it makes me think of my own three... JoeOtterbein Oct 2019 #61

Yes, excellent point... the sexism Joe displayed was hurtful, and not just to that young woman!! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #131

I can imagine how you would feel if a candidate's campaign was found to have engaged in unfair wages MrsCoffee Oct 2019 #149

You can bet he wouldn't melman Oct 2019 #36

Yeah, good point... not a good look at all. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #43

+1 progressoid Oct 2019 #65

"Look at my record, kid." Beartracks Oct 2019 #73

Biden as racist, Biden as sexist treestar Oct 2019 #143

This was a bad response RainCaster Oct 2019 #4

+1000! JoeOtterbein Oct 2019 #6

BINGO!! It's a mistake you would expect from a less experienced politician, not one of Joe's stature InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #44

Made any fair points lately? Wawannabe Oct 2019 #165

It's a bad response because people WILL pay more attention to... Beartracks Oct 2019 #75

This seems like misplaced outrage to me. madaboutharry Oct 2019 #8

"being extraordinary patient with an 18 year old" JoeOtterbein Oct 2019 #11

To someone in their 70's an 18 year old is a teenager. madaboutharry Oct 2019 #14

The 18 year old is a VOTER who is probably more informed than the majority of voters. pnwmom Oct 2019 #20

That all may be true madaboutharry Oct 2019 #23

Not just with young people -- with females. This is one more example of his overly familiar pnwmom Oct 2019 #35

Meh Thekaspervote Oct 2019 #92

Well, it was pretty tone deaf on Biden's part. PatrickforO Oct 2019 #40

Yes -- I thought of the Anita Hill testimony tonight, too. pnwmom Oct 2019 #54

Absolutely!! Joe blew that response, plain and simple... he should just admit it and apologize. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #52

No she is not treestar Oct 2019 #144

Exactly LongtimeAZDem Oct 2019 #203

To someone in True Blue American Oct 2019 #112

Actually, it doesn't read as '"patient." It reads as "condescending" and "dismissive." n/t pnwmom Oct 2019 #80

Exactly. cwydro Oct 2019 #107

Add that to the list of entries in the Biden/younger voter tone deafness catalogue BeyondGeography Oct 2019 #10

Ugh I forgot about that one redqueen Oct 2019 #17

I forgot that too. And it's only from a few weeks ago! JoeOtterbein Oct 2019 #25

Yikes!! Not good. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #66

I have been waiting almost 2 years for this to be addressed by Biden: Celerity Oct 2019 #116

It really pisses me off when politicians don't care to understand basic math BeyondGeography Oct 2019 #121

description as condescending is a matter of opinion nt msongs Oct 2019 #13

Agree, the comment in the OP can be read as condescending, redqueen Oct 2019 #19

Overly familiar is almost as bad. nt pnwmom Oct 2019 #21

Either way, not a good look. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #67

I think it is condescending of an 18 year old, who hasn't Blue_true Oct 2019 #191

True, that is not "a good look" either treestar Oct 2019 #212

I guess this is kind of a payback editorial from common dreams... sheshe2 Oct 2019 #15

Do you? melman Oct 2019 #38

Oh melman. sheshe2 Oct 2019 #50

Typical melman Oct 2019 #152

Kill the messenger attacks are bad now! betsuni Oct 2019 #51

What in the fuck are you even talking about? melman Oct 2019 #153

What happened before and what happened after that very short video? We don't know, but.... George II Oct 2019 #139

Nonsense melman Oct 2019 #154

Post removed Post removed Oct 2019 #22

He's a lovable old Grouch ritapria Oct 2019 #26

So, I can just dismiss dismiss someone's question/opinion by just calling them a child? No! JoeOtterbein Oct 2019 #28

She looked and acted like a child and was trying to ambush him with a gotcha question starting with highplainsdem Oct 2019 #27

"the way she looked around at the phone or camera catching the staged confrontation"l JoeOtterbein Oct 2019 #30

I saw it on the twitter feed...... Historic NY Oct 2019 #76

I highly doubt you and I were the only ones that caught that. One of Biden's best qualities Thekaspervote Oct 2019 #84

Lol. cwydro Oct 2019 #108

Yes to imply he is favoring big business treestar Oct 2019 #145

another one of those threads.... quickesst Oct 2019 #29

Joe can take it. He's clearly not nearly so weak that my opinion would matter. JoeOtterbein Oct 2019 #31

I agree quickesst Oct 2019 #37

lol.. They're so very Cha Oct 2019 #195

Hey Cha! quickesst Oct 2019 #199

EX-CELL-ENT! Mahalo! Did you make that?! Cha Oct 2019 #200

I don't have the expertise for that quickesst Oct 2019 #201

Wow.. who knew!? Thank you.. I'll Cha Oct 2019 #204

Beautiful! emmaverybo Oct 2019 #229

glad you like it.... quickesst Oct 2019 #230

dear young people. evertonfc Oct 2019 #32

You can say that, but people don't think that way. AtheistCrusader Oct 2019 #187

if today's evertonfc Oct 2019 #188

Child please. nt UniteFightBack Oct 2019 #33

++++ Wawannabe Oct 2019 #166

Boo hoo hoo... Wah!!! Skya Rhen Oct 2019 #34

lol! So Cha Oct 2019 #194

I'd be visibly frustrated too. betsuni Oct 2019 #41

Sounds like the Vice President showed some reality in that answer Baked Potato Oct 2019 #45

I would be very wrong if I said your comment is coming from a child. JoeOtterbein Oct 2019 #47

VERY wrong... haha!! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #205

Description as a "little sternness" Is a matter of opinion. n/t MarcA Oct 2019 #53

Not considering some of his banking related legislation for the state of Delaware. n/t pnwmom Oct 2019 #83

It's a respectful question. BlueWI Oct 2019 #197

oh fuckstick ! dweller Oct 2019 #46

+1000! JoeOtterbein Oct 2019 #48

An 18-year-old is considered an adult in this country, not a "child." They can go vote, go to war vsrazdem Oct 2019 #55

"They can go vote, go to war" JoeOtterbein Oct 2019 #64

Yes they do all those things. If they are behaving as an adult then they should also understand Thekaspervote Oct 2019 #87

I think you mean "manners." cwydro Oct 2019 #109

oh please! treestar Oct 2019 #150

THIS!! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #68

Then she can handle being condescended to treestar Oct 2019 #146

And should not be treated like a child. vsrazdem Oct 2019 #157

Adults can handle it treestar Oct 2019 #210

She did not walk up to him and announce her age before she asked that question. George II Oct 2019 #214

What the hell? melman Oct 2019 #215

Thank you. I'm so honored that I have you among my "followers" (a la twitter)! George II Oct 2019 #216

Not a Biden supporter at this time (will vote for him IF he is the nominee -- However.... LovingA2andMI Oct 2019 #57

Thank you! Thekaspervote Oct 2019 #85

Disqualifier. n/t Eyeball_Kid Oct 2019 #60

Ahem "ing" Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2019 #63

Wouldn't go THAT far... there are far worse things Joe has said and done. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #70

That's a "never-say" progressoid Oct 2019 #69

Pro-tip: No matter your level of experience or expertise, probably don't call anyone "child" RockRaven Oct 2019 #71

Bingo! JoeOtterbein Oct 2019 #72

Bring the smelling salts!!! Reef the mainsail, Abandon ship!! Blah blah Thekaspervote Oct 2019 #88

When one offers them this kind of reply to their concerns, their non-turnout is a response in turn, RockRaven Oct 2019 #89

Yes, she was condescending and self righteous in her question. Thekaspervote Oct 2019 #91

I would like to hear your account of which candidates have spoken to 18-25 year olds' concerns RockRaven Oct 2019 #95

Lower income people vote for Democrats. Propaganda targeted against Democrats depresses voting. betsuni Oct 2019 #99

She was earnest and concerned. But she's only a "child." She shouldn't bother her pretty little head pnwmom Oct 2019 #98

Would it be fine for her to call him "old man"? Why is it okay to refer to her as a child pnwmom Oct 2019 #96

Well by all means then, actively discourage them from participating. AtheistCrusader Oct 2019 #173

Joe seems to have a real problem with young people... regnaD kciN Oct 2019 #74

The "old familiar phenomena" of staying home on voting day has very little to do with the candidate! Thekaspervote Oct 2019 #90

18-29 voting outnumber 65+ 'going on decades now' crazytown Oct 2019 #104

Believe it or not, it fluctuates depending on the candidate. redqueen Oct 2019 #161

Just another reason why Joe's fadin in the polls...as a seasoned politician, even he knows it's over InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2019 #231

Big f**king deal! We have become the nitpicking center of the internet . demosincebirth Oct 2019 #77

Pick pick pick pick. His poll numbers are back up- gaining or retaking leads...so there ya have it Thekaspervote Oct 2019 #93

If he would have patted her or touched her the sky would demosincebirth Oct 2019 #175

My brother just mentioned this song - OhZone Oct 2019 #78

I don't blame him for thinking what he said ritapria Oct 2019 #79

Some have tried to excuse Joe by saying that he's so old an 18 year old looks like a child pnwmom Oct 2019 #82

And maybe he should remember there are 18 year olds in uniform. cwydro Oct 2019 #110

holding people to a standard of perfection treestar Oct 2019 #147

It would be different if his treatment of women wasn't part off a pattern. nt pnwmom Oct 2019 #174

A lot don't agree there is such a pattern treestar Oct 2019 #208

Ask Anita pnwmom Oct 2019 #213

All I know Green Line Oct 2019 #86

She was too polite to answer: "Look, old man, I know about your banking legislation." pnwmom Oct 2019 #94

Good point. GreenPartyVoter Oct 2019 #114

That makes it pretty clear - he was rude. There's no excuse. nt redqueen Oct 2019 #162

To be fair, anybody under 50 is a child compared to him. Tiggeroshii Oct 2019 #97

I have an 18 yr old grandson Skidmore Oct 2019 #100

On the same that that a candidate refused to give details of the financing of a $30+ trillion plan.. George II Oct 2019 #189

If she was 5 years old Hav Oct 2019 #101

The Sunrise Movement. The same PAC that used CHILDREN to bombard Feinstein's office still_one Oct 2019 #102

+10000000000 betsuni Oct 2019 #103

+!!! crazytown Oct 2019 #105

Mahalo, still_one.. FO Sunrise.. Good for Biden.. the usual Cha Oct 2019 #196

Good to see you Cha. When someone comes up to supposedly ask a question of someone, and still_one Oct 2019 #206

Biden answered it perfectly, Cha Oct 2019 #207

Another pathetic shot at Biden. TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #111

"But your record is fighting to go into the Iraq War." betsuni Oct 2019 #113

Joe has more self restraint than I. The word "fool" is a more accurate description, in this instance Skya Rhen Oct 2019 #117

If he's going to be the candidate I want him to at least try to do better. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2019 #118

"Don't question my integrity and expect a respectful reply". Joe was oasis Oct 2019 #119

I guess he should have called him "silly." ehrnst Oct 2019 #124

you seem very concerned ! stonecutter357 Oct 2019 #128

I heard, "look at my record, Shawn" ecstatic Oct 2019 #132

oh geez that was not even in a forum like I imagined it treestar Oct 2019 #148

Reminiscent of when Chelsea Clinton organized a memorial for the New Zealand Muslim shooting... George II Oct 2019 #133

Last week, I'd wondered what form the Next Weekly Outrage would be. LanternWaste Oct 2019 #135

Yeah, this - OhZone Oct 2019 #137

Thank you MustLoveBeagles Oct 2019 #192

Over a hundred posts and general hysteria in some other quarters over... TreasonousBastard Oct 2019 #138

Absolutely. This is the same PAC that occupied Feinstein and Pelosi's offices still_one Oct 2019 #151

Methinks the Sunshine people need to throw a little sunshine on themselves peggysue2 Oct 2019 #172

He was a lot more restrained than I would have been, seeing as she just accused him... George II Oct 2019 #186

Agree! peggysue2 Oct 2019 #198

Really? What would you have said? nt USALiberal Oct 2019 #222

This is your third snarky one-line "nt" reply to posts of mine in less than an hour. Curious. George II Oct 2019 #224

And yet, he was able to answer the question here. AtheistCrusader Oct 2019 #193

That situation did not call for some nuanced answer treestar Oct 2019 #211

haha he called baby a man once..no biggie.. samnsara Oct 2019 #155

Good. More like this please, Joe. Loki Liesmith Oct 2019 #160

Trump Wins This Way. IADEMO2004 Oct 2019 #176

Big whoop. OldRed2450 Oct 2019 #177

So, Joe Otterbein, what is Joe Biden's record? Sometimes people ask stupid questions... Hekate Oct 2019 #178

He was being polite, generational thing I guess n/t scardycat Oct 2019 #179

That's what happens when you ask a childish queation LongtimeAZDem Oct 2019 #202

A campaign based on defensive counterargtuments loyalsister Oct 2019 #218

There used to be a Daily Bernie Dogpile round these parts. mac56 Oct 2019 #221

Used to be? melman Oct 2019 #223

+1 Kurt V. Oct 2019 #227