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Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 12:04 AM Sep 2019

The fact Biden continues to dominate Trump, and has sustained his lead at the top... [View all]

...tells me that maybe most America has already made up their mind about whether they can see Biden as president. This can be both good or bad. Good if your ceiling is high with these voters, as it appears to be the case with Biden - but it can be bad if the overall perception is more negative, which could prove difficult to shake (see Hillary, who, on this day in 2015, led Trump by only three-points nationally).

People know what to expect from Biden, and, for whatever reason, it appears many Americans are okay with it. That might sound perplexing to DUers and the Woke Left, but that support might suggest his floor as a candidate is still good enough to win. The other candidates? Well many of 'em haven't been nearly as scrutinized as Biden has and many still are still in the process of having their perceptions fully formed. That, again, is both good and bad. Obama was very strong at not having negative perceptions define his candidacy, despite being relatively unknown when he announced. Conversely, John Kerry struggled disassociating himself with negative perceptions once they formed (and, on the GOP side, Romney fits this, too).

2920 isn't just about who people think can beat Trump - it's also about who people feel comfortable with as president. Typically, the candidate who cultivates that image, makes Americans feel comfortable with the idea, wins. That's something Hillary, and other losing candidates (on both sides) struggle to do. Trump did, too, but for whatever reason, a good chunk of Americans, especially in the rust belt area, convinced themselves they were more comfortable with Trump as president than Hillary.

I think Biden can win the comfortability game with Trump - and do so decisively, as he is currently.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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That's what 2020 is all about, beating Trump. But if Joe shows comradebillyboy Sep 2019 #1
If there's no funny business in '20, I think Biden beats tRump comfortably. I think he can win... Tarheel_Dem Sep 2019 #2
Democratic governors in all three blue wall states Sugarcoated Sep 2019 #26
Yep, the funny biz is what i worry about as well. onetexan Sep 2019 #28
So the fact that he consistently has about a third of Democrats tells you pnwmom Sep 2019 #3
More than want any of the other candidates. Drunken Irishman Sep 2019 #6
OTOH, he might have all the support he's going to have, and some of the pnwmom Sep 2019 #11
Maybe - but according to the most recent FOX News poll, if it's just between him and Warren... Drunken Irishman Sep 2019 #16
That's true at the moment. But there's months to go before the first primaries, pnwmom Sep 2019 #24
Exactly nt Quixote1818 Sep 2019 #59
I must caution folks about polls with high BootinUp Sep 2019 #4
It depends... Drunken Irishman Sep 2019 #5
Cultivate that image at all costs... JackFrost Sep 2019 #7
You quote an article from 45 years ago? And don't quote the context of his family loss? Seriously. ancianita Sep 2019 #8
His family loss has ZERO to do with his quote in the article... JackFrost Sep 2019 #10
Then let me second the welcome, in all sincerity Hekate Sep 2019 #12
Good luck with your candidate in the primaries... JackFrost Sep 2019 #14
You are entitled to your opinion...and that's all it is....an opinion Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #17
No doubt and time will tell... JackFrost Sep 2019 #21
No. Again.. that's just your opinion. Joe Biden Cha Sep 2019 #22
Strange process is politics isn't it... JackFrost Sep 2019 #25
Irony, indeed. ehrnst Sep 2019 #33
When it's unsupported by data and objective analysis LanternWaste Sep 2019 #38
Thank you, LanternWaste! Cha Sep 2019 #47
Yes thank you .. well stated Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #66
To quote you in your last 3 comments Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #65
No, you're wrong.. "criticism" Cha Sep 2019 #96
The four year butterfly migration to DU is in progress. fleabiscuit Sep 2019 #74
We are so lucky! lol Cha Sep 2019 #75
"Welcome," "enjoy your stay" are common greetings here with new posters. You might get a few more. ancianita Sep 2019 #15
Beyond his personal tragedy which is horrible.... JackFrost Sep 2019 #20
As you can see, I'm "undecided," and don't care for any "proof" of today's candidates ancianita Sep 2019 #27
Thanks for your reply also... JackFrost Sep 2019 #49
I assume you would vote for him radical noodle Sep 2019 #50
Jack Frost is chilled by that question. No affirmative response is a negative response in this case WheelWalker Sep 2019 #51
I don't expect to have to worry about buying a clothspin for the occasion... JackFrost Sep 2019 #53
So, what are you doing to support your candidate of choice? Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #67
The issues are more important than any candidate... JackFrost Sep 2019 #70
Oh, puhlese. Did you bother to research Biden's stances and proposals for this coming election? emmaverybo Sep 2019 #104
Much of the that article from NINETEEN SEVENTY FOUR (!!!) was about his family loss..... George II Sep 2019 #64
Thank you, George! Cha Sep 2019 #76
Why are you being so rude to Hekate? Cha Sep 2019 #95
The world is closer than ever to a first nuclear war. What does Bernie know about foreign policy? emmaverybo Sep 2019 #9
Foreign policy credentials ? JackFrost Sep 2019 #13
Hillary was more than fit, and so much more than Bernie, to be a commander in chief and to emmaverybo Sep 2019 #19
Sorry...I don't do whataboutism... JackFrost Sep 2019 #23
You just did it. Your entire response to my response to you was whataboutism. Fine with me emmaverybo Sep 2019 #30
Post #13 IS what you call "whataboutism"! George II Sep 2019 #92
Heh... JackFrost Sep 2019 #94
FYI: one can be an athlete and still not be eligible for the draft Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #68
Rich man's war poor man's fight... JackFrost Sep 2019 #73
Wow.. Thank you for that valid explanation, Cha Sep 2019 #77
Thx Cha, seems mr. Frost doesn't agree. ...but deflection, punt, dodge, change the subject Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #83
Oh, and he's "not trying Cha Sep 2019 #84
Oh ...righhht!! Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #85
What about your candidate, when did he serve in the militar? What foreign policy creds does he have? George II Sep 2019 #89
"Foreign policy credentials"... JackFrost Sep 2019 #90
"calling out the Military Industrial Complex" isn't going to win the nomination or general election. George II Sep 2019 #91
The majority in this country is tired of endless wars George... JackFrost Sep 2019 #93
... NanceGreggs Sep 2019 #29
Just so you know, this is the kind of thing that turns people away from Bernie. DanTex Sep 2019 #34
Biden has been painted as nearly reactionary on policy. He is not. So he doesn't emmaverybo Sep 2019 #103
Thx for posting. Always enjoy your commentary Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #18
isn't Warren Tied or Leading him in Iowa and New Hampshire ? JI7 Sep 2019 #31
Biden appears to have a solid lead in recent Iowa polls. See RCP's Iowa polls. emulatorloo Sep 2019 #62
Mahalo, emulatorloo! Cha Sep 2019 #63
Most Americans want to return to some form of sanity and Democracy. democratisphere Sep 2019 #32
It's clear who our party's nominee will be. My hope now is that the "also-ran" contenders... NurseJackie Sep 2019 #35
Vote blue no matter who...thanks Nurse. I fail to understand why folks would use scorched earth Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #37
I think 2020 has to be all about beating Trump...As for the 'woke left' maybe they should work on Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #36
We have to beat trump and Joe Biden is the best candidate to compete with trump Gothmog Sep 2019 #39
K&R Scurrilous Sep 2019 #40
k&r nt BlueMississippi Sep 2019 #41
Yes, and I would add that both Biden and Trump are very well known.. honest.abe Sep 2019 #42
If the election were held today, I guess you could say that. But Politicub Sep 2019 #43
Public opinion is pretty consistent, TBH Drunken Irishman Sep 2019 #44
One poll released this week said 9% of Democratic primary voters nationally have made their decision jcgoldie Sep 2019 #45
That's the primary... the OP is about the general. honest.abe Sep 2019 #46
This makes me smile Gothmog Sep 2019 #48
If Joe is so great why are his supporters trying to shut down the process before it's even begun? Bradshaw3 Sep 2019 #52
NINE more debates jcgoldie Sep 2019 #54
One reason they want to shut it down I'm afraid Bradshaw3 Sep 2019 #56
Heh.. that's Not true. Why are you accusing us Cha Sep 2019 #55
Because of posts like this and many, many others with the same theme Bradshaw3 Sep 2019 #60
No.. DI is just giving his Cha Sep 2019 #61
This!! I really enjoy DI's commentary, they show depth of the subject matter Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #69
Yes.. and no hint of wanting Cha Sep 2019 #72
Never said it was a done deal. Never said we should just give Joe the nomination. Drunken Irishman Sep 2019 #82
that's just a statement of opinion from a person treestar Sep 2019 #86
Yeah.. everyday there's more stories about how Joe Biden works to shutdown the debates Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #71
Heh, DI.. there's someone saying you want Cha Sep 2019 #57
Who? Drunken Irishman Sep 2019 #79
Here.. Cha Sep 2019 #81
There is still lots of opportunity for Biden to speak and lose more support. aikoaiko Sep 2019 #98
Most people don't pay attention until a few days before they actually vote Quixote1818 Sep 2019 #58
If Biden is struggling in those states, Warren and Sanders are floundering. Drunken Irishman Sep 2019 #80
Biden's Electability Advantage Will Be Hard to Shake Among Risk-Averse Democrats Gothmog Sep 2019 #78
Thanks for your post, Goth! Cha Sep 2019 #87
It'll matter when Biden has votes. BlueWI Sep 2019 #88
Desperate Donald Trump knows that Joe can beat him Gothmog Sep 2019 #97
Well stated n/t PhoenixDem Sep 2019 #99
Great Statement by Joe Biden Gothmog Sep 2019 #100
hes still got my vote and donating more... samnsara Sep 2019 #101
Biden seems to be holding up well, especially considering the nonstop hits from the empedocles Sep 2019 #102
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