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Gothmog

(145,130 posts)
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 03:56 PM Sep 2019

How long will Warren dodge on health care and taxes? [View all]




None other than late-night host Stephen Colbert made it painfully clear that Warren is ducking. He asked twice about whether taxes will go up and practically begged her to level with voters. “I’ve listened to these answers a few times before," he said, "and I just want to make a parallel suggestion to you that you might defend the taxes, perhaps, you’re not mentioning in your sentence: ‘Isn’t Medicare for All like public school? There might be taxes for it, but you save money sending your kids to school, and do you want to live in a world where your kids aren’t educated? Do you want to live in a world where your fellow Americans are dying?’”

Let’s be clear: If Colbert and debate moderators can figure this out, her opponents in the primary and, more important, the Republicans in the general election will hit her again and again.

It is not simply a matter of the viability of her health-care plan. It goes to her core critique of the moderates: They are too timid and too scared to do the big things. Well, perhaps they have figured out what the big things cost and don’t see they are economically or politically viable.

Warren’s brand is truth-telling about the rich and powerful, but you simply cannot get the rich and big corporations to pay for all of it. The Medicare-for-all plan introduced by Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) is presumably the basis for Warren’s idea — despite all her other plans, she has little specifics on health care. Sanders’s plan posits a number of funding sources and specifies a premium for families (“a typical family of four earning $50,000, after taking the standard deduction, would pay a 4 percent income-based premium to fund Medicare for All — just $844 a year — saving that family over $4,400 a year. Because of the standard deduction, families of four making less than $29,000 a year would not pay this premium”). Now, there are a lot of people who consider themselves middle-class who might have to pay more, but at least Sanders makes some effort to spell out the costs and the savings.
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Colbert called out Warren over her consistent refusal to say whether middle-class will increase Gothmog Sep 2019 #1
She is right to reject the RW gotcha framing of "will taxes go up?" Fiendish Thingy Sep 2019 #3
Apparently, it's no longer just a RW gotcha question (nt) NeoGreen Sep 2019 #6
We need to know exactly how much her plan will cost and how it will be paid for Gothmog Sep 2019 #7
We just put $2 trillion on a credit card sharedvalues Sep 2019 #52
Being evasive looks worse on her. DrToast Sep 2019 #8
Warren's refusal to answer the question looked bad on the Colbert show Gothmog Sep 2019 #10
It did!! Besides, those that have employer based plans will not look on favorably Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #23
Which is a silly argument also jcgoldie Sep 2019 #27
Really? How do you know management will raise compensation? They could just take the money. dem4decades Sep 2019 #28
This!! Corporations are greedy. like the tax break- going to invest into new jobs & infrastructure Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #30
Sounds like a good argument for Liz! jcgoldie Sep 2019 #50
Evidently you've never negotiated a union contract jcgoldie Sep 2019 #49
unions giving up raises and benefits for "job security" the past 10yrs has not worked so well n/t Bidenator Sep 2019 #53
oh so you are anti-union? jcgoldie Sep 2019 #54
Steven Cozen is most definitely anti-union Celerity Sep 2019 #60
It did customerserviceguy Sep 2019 #56
This!! Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #62
Warren does need to come up with a clear, concise response to the question of M4A taxes Fiendish Thingy Sep 2019 #2
I think she's relying on BS to address Medicare for All taxes, since it's his plan she's going with. George II Sep 2019 #5
i think her support for MFA is more political strategy. she is trying to get Sanders supporters JI7 Sep 2019 #36
That was my thought.. but will Cha Sep 2019 #44
Yep customerserviceguy Sep 2019 #57
Societal savings are not tax revenues and not pay for Warren's program Gothmog Sep 2019 #66
I really don't understand how Sanders can say a family of four stopbush Sep 2019 #4
I don't know that I agree with the $1,000/year figure... wysimdnwyg Sep 2019 #9
Here. For the most part, by stopping the looting that's been going on for 40 years. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2019 #14
So, basically, if we institute all of those new tax initiatives, Sanders's MFA claims make sense? stopbush Sep 2019 #17
Zero if we don't try. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2019 #20
It will be based on your income. roody Sep 2019 #31
It is not free healthcare. Far from it redstateblues Sep 2019 #59
Transforming healthcare is but one of the investment-intensive promises she is running on. emmaverybo Sep 2019 #11
She has no plan to pay for anything 5starlib Sep 2019 #13
This.... it will not be passed into law with a gop senate. Thing is she's knows that!! Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #24
How long will we keep repeating repuke talking points? Doremus Sep 2019 #12
That was her answer when asked about paying for M4All at the first debate. It is a non-answer. emmaverybo Sep 2019 #16
Here's an answer for you: The same way we pay for GOPuke tax cuts, that's how. Doremus Sep 2019 #34
Democrats want answers. And not all of us believe that Warren can overcome a Republican senate emmaverybo Sep 2019 #39
I wish to comfort all prospective Dem voters who are so worried. Doremus Sep 2019 #45
Everything you said. n/t ms liberty Sep 2019 #55
Good question. I would like hear more about plan B if the ultra rich tax FloridaBlues Sep 2019 #15
So that she will be able to "pivot" question everything Sep 2019 #18
How long will Democrats on DU continue to oppose universal health care jcgoldie Sep 2019 #19
Just tell us how much this plan will cost and how will be pay for it? Gothmog Sep 2019 #21
According to her plan as she has answered directly repeatedly.. jcgoldie Sep 2019 #22
This!! As long as she evades the answer of cost there are going to be objections. Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #26
These are REPUKE talking points. Why do you want to help them? Doremus Sep 2019 #63
I don't think DU'ers are against some kind of universal health care, not at all Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #25
Depends. How long will people pretend that MFA and universal health care are interchangeable? DrToast Sep 2019 #33
Neither Sanders nor Warren explain how all these great policies including MFA Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #29
She may be worried about the sound byte dflprincess Sep 2019 #32
Warren gave Obama and Clinton hell for supposedly not having transparency in trade agreements, now Hoyt Sep 2019 #35
maybe cutting the military budget JI7 Sep 2019 #41
Fine with me, spell it out. Of course, a lot of Democrats work for military contractors & insurance Hoyt Sep 2019 #42
The fact that she is dodging NYMinute Sep 2019 #37
She has been better... Mike Nelson Sep 2019 #38
She refuses to answer the question because the answer is yes Gothmog Sep 2019 #40
K&R! Thanks, Gothmog! I noticed that during her Late Show appearance last night, too. Frank Bruni highplainsdem Sep 2019 #43
The easiest solution is to not call it a tax, but a premium, because that's what it is n/t Blaukraut Sep 2019 #46
But you got Bernie's specifically saying zero premiums DrToast Sep 2019 #47
This is where Warren needs to part ways with Sanders. Blaukraut Sep 2019 #48
stop EveHammond13 Sep 2019 #51
Reality fact is the working class is already paying more Prosper Sep 2019 #58
The more she dodges BlueMississippi Sep 2019 #61
I suspect Warren is looking for a graceful way to back away from MFA. comradebillyboy Sep 2019 #64
Buttigieg tells Medicare-for-all proponents to show their cards Gothmog Sep 2019 #65
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