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George II

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Sat Sep 14, 2019, 12:55 PM Sep 2019

Why single payer died in Vermont [View all]

(note: this is a few years old, but it points out the pitfalls of "single payer" )

Why single payer died in Vermont

Vermont was supposed to be the beacon for a single-payer health care system in America. But now its plans are in ruins, and its onetime champion Gov. Peter Shumlin may have set back the cause.

Advocates of a “Medicare for all” approach were largely sidelined during the national Obamacare debate. The health law left a private insurance system in place and didn’t even include a weaker “public option” government plan to run alongside more traditional commercial ones.

So single-payer advocates looked instead to make a breakthrough in the states. Bills have been introduced from Hawaii to New York; former Medicare chief Don Berwick made it a key plank of his unsuccessful primary race for Massachusetts governor.

Vermont under Shumlin became the most visible trailblazer. Until Wednesday, when the governor admitted what critics had said all along: He couldn’t pay for it.

more at:

https://www.politico.com/story/2014/12/single-payer-vermont-113711

Also:

https://www.politico.com/story/2014/12/vermont-peter-shumlin-single-payer-health-care-113653

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Why single payer died in Vermont [View all] George II Sep 2019 OP
Was doomed to fail. drray23 Sep 2019 #1
correct qazplm135 Sep 2019 #3
But California IS trying and they're running into many problems too DrToast Sep 2019 #4
Vermont already had high taxes, on income, retirement, sales...one factor was that Vermont emmaverybo Sep 2019 #28
That is why it is so important to know exactly how much it will cost, and where the money will still_one Sep 2019 #2
Even the smaller countries in Europe can do this in one form or another of universal coverage. CTyankee Sep 2019 #5
Nearly all of them have VAT of 15-20% MichMan Sep 2019 #29
I am not an economist. However, it seems to me that you would have to look at the bigger CTyankee Sep 2019 #32
Even though all of those countries have liberal histories, Blue_true Sep 2019 #38
Haven't read up on their relative right wing policies but I haven't hear anything about their CTyankee Sep 2019 #39
It's not a question if they want to change their system to ours... MichMan Sep 2019 #45
Before we get to that, let's not skip over another option: Warren's tax reform plan whereby CTyankee Sep 2019 #48
Yes. Almost all the transfer of wealth has been from the higher-taxed Hortensis Sep 2019 #57
I like Senator Warren's plan. Blue_true Sep 2019 #58
Europeans like government, Americans don't...that's the big difference 5starlib Sep 2019 #40
Was it Denmark that got the highest grade on the "happiness" metric for their country? CTyankee Sep 2019 #42
It's the culture here that is different. 5starlib Sep 2019 #43
I mentioned earlier about this "not trusting the government" thing with what I like to say: CTyankee Sep 2019 #46
Would I not have to pay for my insurance premiums and deductibles? Cuthbert Allgood Sep 2019 #41
It seems to me that the answer to your first question is yes. Why? CTyankee Sep 2019 #49
AHA! Me. Sep 2019 #6
The problem with a State-based system, is that you can always cross the border brooklynite Sep 2019 #7
I agree with others that seeing the numbers is vitally important Docreed2003 Sep 2019 #8
Yes, the devil is in the details peggysue2 Sep 2019 #13
I remember hearing some of your hypotheticals during the Obamacare debate. CTyankee Sep 2019 #50
I think the difference in Obamacare is that it didn't fundamentally change the system Docreed2003 Sep 2019 #53
Shouldn't the FIRST question be: why are we out of step with every other country in the world CTyankee Sep 2019 #54
Buzz phrases don't necessarily make good policy. Nt BootinUp Sep 2019 #9
Green Mountain Care didn't fail for the lack of trying peggysue2 Sep 2019 #10
You point out a very important aspect of this issue. People sometimes mix "health care coverage"... George II Sep 2019 #14
I guess people LOVE paying $400 for insulin wellst0nev0ter Sep 2019 #19
My husband's diabetic peggysue2 Sep 2019 #30
Funny, public option alone won't bring down drug prices either wellst0nev0ter Sep 2019 #36
Excellent points. A great deal of political capital was spent on getting Obamacare done. I am in emmaverybo Sep 2019 #31
It seems to me, emmaverybo that . . . peggysue2 Sep 2019 #33
It also failed in California and Colorado, primarily because legislators didn't have the guts Hoyt Sep 2019 #11
That's the nuts and bolts, Hoyt peggysue2 Sep 2019 #15
I also suspect that voters think they're bullet proof and won't incur those health care items that CTyankee Sep 2019 #20
Agree completely. Always hate posting that opinion, knowing the "big idea" folks will bash me. :) Hoyt Sep 2019 #24
Quote from Mozloom.................National Federation of Independent Businesses turbinetree Sep 2019 #12
K&R for visibility lunamagica Sep 2019 #16
Adopting single payer in the US will be a major effort Gothmog Sep 2019 #17
There's another elephant in the room that no one wants to talk about. A good percentage of Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #18
It may come to prohibiting certain unhealthy things or... VarryOn Sep 2019 #21
Yes, those things all work!! Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #35
So what about the food deserts in urban areas? 5starlib Sep 2019 #44
All I'm saying is you have to start somewhere and do what you can! Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #55
There just isn't enough money NYMinute Sep 2019 #22
Where do you get your numbers? subterranean Sep 2019 #37
Most people like their insurance coverage Progressive dog Sep 2019 #23
K&R nt BlueMississippi Sep 2019 #25
Yup. greatauntoftriplets Sep 2019 #26
Sanders did nothing to help with this either JI7 Sep 2019 #27
They couldn't get access to the existing federal monies. zipplewrath Sep 2019 #34
I don't care... myohmy2 Sep 2019 #47
apples and oranges. Kurt V. Sep 2019 #51
Single payer is a looming Dem disaster for 2020! empedocles Sep 2019 #52
Careful. Some here will accuse you of spouting rightwing talking points for daring LincolnRossiter Sep 2019 #56
Speaker Pelosi-There's no need to reinvent health care -- just improve Obamacare Gothmog Sep 2019 #59
Societal Savings are not tax revenues and cannot be use to pay for this plan Gothmog Sep 2019 #60
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