Democratic Primaries

Cha

(297,240 posts) Tue Aug 27, 2019, 08:05 PM Aug 2019

No, it's not about "courage".. Many More People just like a Different Health Coverage [View all]

than yours.

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If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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No, it's not about "courage".. Many More People just like a Different Health Coverage [View all] Cha Aug 2019 OP

This! mcar Aug 2019 #1

Mahalo, mcar! BS is wrong. Cha Aug 2019 #7

Krystal Ball melman Aug 2019 #2

the time for shallow politics needs to end. its all about courage. piketty has a new book out in Kurt V. Aug 2019 #3

If by "different" you mean inadequate, but with choices(!), then sure. HerbChestnut Aug 2019 #4

No.. don't try to put words in my mouth. Cha Aug 2019 #6

+1 area51 Aug 2019 #8

Yes melman Aug 2019 #11

I don't think you understand Medicare frazzled Aug 2019 #27

Medicare payments would see fundamental changes under Medicare for All HerbChestnut Aug 2019 #28

If that bill passes committee I'll eat my hat tymorial Aug 2019 #31

It's called Medicare for All because Medicare is a familiar name HerbChestnut Aug 2019 #34

Perhaps he means REAL Medicare? radical noodle Aug 2019 #76

Maybe to you. HerbChestnut Aug 2019 #97

You mean like "If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor?" ehrnst Aug 2019 #102

Medicare for All is a national health insurance program. HerbChestnut Aug 2019 #104

Again... Making promises that aren't kept can backfire to the point of destroying credibility ehrnst Aug 2019 #105

I have been defending Medicare for All in multiple threads, including this one. HerbChestnut Aug 2019 #110

I. Read. The. Bill. ehrnst Aug 2019 #111

Clearly you either didn't read it, or you're being intentionally misleading. HerbChestnut Aug 2019 #112

If you read my posts, you would know that I don't think it looks AT ALL like Medicare does. ehrnst Aug 2019 #113

WTF radical noodle Aug 2019 #118

In this case, it's being used as a marketing term. HerbChestnut Aug 2019 #122

So we're lying to people? radical noodle Aug 2019 #123

It's just the name of the bill, and the bill is publicly available for people to read. HerbChestnut Aug 2019 #124

Right after they read the Mueller report, right? radical noodle Aug 2019 #125

Well, truth in advertising would indicate otherwise. ehrnst Aug 2019 #138

Yeah, I don't like anything about it. Cha Aug 2019 #132

Sort of like naming a bill that restricts marriage "The Defense of Marriage Act." (nt) ehrnst Aug 2019 #139

Yes.. Gas Lighting. Cha Aug 2019 #147

I find it damned ironic you accuse others of not understanding the bill LanternWaste Aug 2019 #126

I've heard that kind of "If you don't agree with me lockstep, you are wrong, ehrnst Aug 2019 #140

Thank you! Cha Sep 2019 #149

But obviously we're NOT familiar with it at all radical noodle Aug 2019 #117

But when you create false expectations... ehrnst Aug 2019 #94

Rather like calling oneself a "Democratic Socialist"? n/t namahage Aug 2019 #130

another Bernie fairytale. wasupaloopa Aug 2019 #52

Look at all the important legislation Bernie has passed. comradebillyboy Aug 2019 #72

LMAO! radical noodle Aug 2019 #119

Thank you. Cha Aug 2019 #145

At least Bernie admits he wants to take on the whole "health care" industry riverine Aug 2019 #5

Considering Medicare for All is a national health insurance program... HerbChestnut Aug 2019 #9

When did "Medicare for All" become a national health insurance program? George II Aug 2019 #12

That's literally what it is. HerbChestnut Aug 2019 #14

That bill is propaganda - it won't even pass a committee. nt NYMinute Aug 2019 #15

LOL HerbChestnut Aug 2019 #17

LOL ehrnst Aug 2019 #115

Yes, there's that hurdle. (nt) ehrnst Aug 2019 #116

It literally is a proposed "national health insurance program", it hasn't even been reviewed.... George II Aug 2019 #22

Well Republicans control the Senate HerbChestnut Aug 2019 #26

There are not enough Democrats in the House who support this bill right now. Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #57

A public option on the ACA didn't get through a Democratic House and Senate. ehrnst Aug 2019 #114

When will Bernie obtain the courage to price it in taxes paid? riverine Aug 2019 #20

Estimates costs of Medicare for All vs our current system: HerbChestnut Aug 2019 #23

I'll give you that. riverine Aug 2019 #25

Medicare funding will change under Medicare for All HerbChestnut Aug 2019 #30

Thanks for being honest. riverine Aug 2019 #37

Right and little by little the pugs will make it suck every time they get in office... Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #58

Sure, and you could say that about any bill the Dems pass. HerbChestnut Aug 2019 #95

If SCOTUS in 2012 upheld that states could not be made to participate in medicaid expansion ehrnst Aug 2019 #98

Again, you could use that argument against any bill. HerbChestnut Aug 2019 #99

That's a false equivalency... ehrnst Aug 2019 #101

remember only workers pay for employer health insurance, even the employer 'match'. Voltaire2 Aug 2019 #143

You could write a bill that saves more money. It will wasupaloopa Aug 2019 #53

Not that simple. Anyone who tells you it is ehrnst Aug 2019 #83

Here's an article that includes a bunch. HerbChestnut Aug 2019 #96

Nope - that stat is not in there: ehrnst Aug 2019 #100

It's a federally funded program, of course the cost would go to the federal government. HerbChestnut Aug 2019 #103

"Arguments against the 2016 Sanders plan are bunk." ehrnst Aug 2019 #106

I am more concerned about the courage to admit when you aren't an expert on something ehrnst Aug 2019 #108

He is in the "seize" everything in sight mode. nt NYMinute Aug 2019 #18

The profit margin of the health care insurance industry is between 3-5%. That's a fraction... George II Aug 2019 #40

3% is also the working margin for Medicare Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #51

Correct. People like talking about how the insurance companies are raking in billions, but.... George II Aug 2019 #55

This message was self-deleted by its author wasupaloopa Aug 2019 #59

Perhaps some should review Harris' career as Attorney General of our largest state.... George II Aug 2019 #10

Exactly, George.. BS doesn't have to get Cha Aug 2019 #16

I am a UHC person but for me it is all about timing, we have a traitor, a fascist in the WH and Eliot Rosewater Aug 2019 #29

Interesting turnaround melman Aug 2019 #35

She declined to prosecute Mnuchin and OneWest Bank. roody Aug 2019 #38

She voted to confirm him? Really? namahage Aug 2019 #43

You may want to double check that. She voted against his confirmation. She voted to advance.... George II Aug 2019 #44

You are right. I shall edit. roody Aug 2019 #45

Thanks...... George II Aug 2019 #46

It is about ego and fuzzy math -- not about courage at all. nt NYMinute Aug 2019 #13

"Not everyone is prepared to do that." saidsimplesimon Aug 2019 #19

This made me see a vision of windmills and an old guy on a horse taking them on. betsuni Aug 2019 #21

lol.. Definitely! Cha Aug 2019 #24

This is insulting to people working in the health care industry. betsuni Aug 2019 #88

Right.. it's insulting to Cha Aug 2019 #91

Why in the world would she co-sponsor it if she wasn't comfortable? SMC22307 Aug 2019 #32

It is easy to talk tough namahage Aug 2019 #33

Right, namahage.. tough talker. Cha Aug 2019 #42

Yes, I totally prefer no vision, dental, or roody Aug 2019 #36

It's a shame we always settle for second best. The Repubs get a giant tax break and then... JoeOtterbein Aug 2019 #39

Well, you should tell that to Senator Sanders. He's promising a platinum plan ehrnst Aug 2019 #109

Sorry, I forgot the sarcasm label. roody Aug 2019 #128

.... ehrnst Aug 2019 #142

JUST IN: On top of Senator Sanders suggesting today that Kamala lacks "courage," one of his closest Cha Aug 2019 #41

Guaranteed they believe all the CTs about Harris. betsuni Aug 2019 #63

Of course, with insults like these. Cha Aug 2019 #70

Only the facts are necessary to know that roody Aug 2019 #144

In Opposite World. betsuni Aug 2019 #146

No, she has good things to say sometimes. namahage Aug 2019 #69

Do we ahve the courage to implement a plan that the Tiggeroshii Aug 2019 #47

No it isn't.. More People Prefer Biden's Plan.. Cha Aug 2019 #49

Indeed they do Cha... thx so much for posting! Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #50

Thank you, Thekaspervote! Cha Aug 2019 #56

Well, if a politician running for office says it's easy if we elect them... ehrnst Aug 2019 #107

Except he doesnt. He does however say we need to try. Instead Tiggeroshii Aug 2019 #135

Yes, he does - he went from "I'll do it in 4 years" down to 2 years ehrnst Aug 2019 #136

If they don't like it we must support their concerns. Voltaire2 Aug 2019 #141

It is rubbish to call for M4A when we already have a law that can be strengthened and cover Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #48

King Bernie will ride in on his white horse and slay wasupaloopa Aug 2019 #54

Indeed Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #60

This. NT emmaverybo Aug 2019 #79

But it's not perfect... comradebillyboy Aug 2019 #74

+1 betsuni Aug 2019 #78

Agree... we should improve the ACA radical noodle Aug 2019 #120

K&R Scurrilous Aug 2019 #61

Also, some of us just want to win before we take the next step. ooky Aug 2019 #62

Exactly ooky! We have our Priorites and Cha Aug 2019 #64

This is a great ad I hope he keeps running it often. ooky Aug 2019 #65

Also, some of us just want to win before the whole nation takes a dirt nap. Maru Kitteh Aug 2019 #121

Coming up with bills that will never ever pass is not courage Vegas Roller Aug 2019 #66

I think you're wrong... myohmy2 Aug 2019 #68

Bernie's lack of accomplishmen as a legislator comradebillyboy Aug 2019 #75

You said it! frazzled Aug 2019 #81

Thank you.. well said! Cha Aug 2019 #82

This message was self-deleted by its author myohmy2 Aug 2019 #87

What Democratic candidates... ehrnst Aug 2019 #92

Beautifully said. NT emmaverybo Aug 2019 #129

I think you're wrong... ehrnst Aug 2019 #93

Bernie... myohmy2 Aug 2019 #67

"Better than nothing." You say that as if Bernie's plan is the only health care reform proposal ehrnst Aug 2019 #86

how many more... myohmy2 Aug 2019 #89

Going to avoid.... ehrnst Aug 2019 #90

One needn't be courageous to reject a fantasy... comradebillyboy Aug 2019 #71

One would be smart! Cha Aug 2019 #73

Thanks Cha for the post! WA-03 Democrat Aug 2019 #77

You're Welcome, WA-03! Cha Aug 2019 #80

That's a passive way to call a female rival candidate "fearful." ehrnst Aug 2019 #84

+1 betsuni Aug 2019 #85

Yeah, it's been noticed. Cha Aug 2019 #131

The US health care system is profit oriented. guillaumeb Aug 2019 #127

Here's my thing Bettie Aug 2019 #133

KICK for Biden's Plan that's the most Cha Aug 2019 #134

yeah especially sick people who can't stop working because Voltaire2 Aug 2019 #137

Why do posters here reject the realities of the working poor? Humanist_Activist Aug 2019 #148