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Hekate

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39. I know, I know. But sooner or later every discussion about why Hillary lost turns back to...
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 01:58 PM
Aug 2019

...how she didn't visit white working class enclaves in a couple of states, or white blue collar enclaves, or the Rust Belt with it's economically betrayed white industrial workers, and how she told white coal miners that coal is dead and they need to retrain.

Always. She didn't visit them during her campaign.

You would think she had stomped on their hearts with her pointy high heels.

And by the way the Democratic Party is too "coastal" (read: diverse in every way, not white enough and not Christian enough). That is a favorite of the chattering class. Well I live on the West Coast and it's so damn big most of us know we're never going to see a presidential candidate in our lives.

Aagh. Where was I going with this? I know we Dems know who our base is.

But criticisms from both without and within always come back to not our retaining a constituency that may not have been ours for longer than we knew. People on this board have been known to embrace that view. Some of our leaders do. God knows our critics do.

I'm mulling it over.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
Interesting. Thanks, Hekate. I can't even remember what I'd heard from him lately pnwmom Aug 2019 #1
Thanks. I'm mulling it over. This continual fretting over one constituency... Hekate Aug 2019 #4
He is full of it. We have been saying blacks and women wasupaloopa Aug 2019 #11
And those long-gone white men, he blamed on Hillary/us in '16. Hortensis Aug 2019 #26
I know, I know. But sooner or later every discussion about why Hillary lost turns back to... Hekate Aug 2019 #39
One thing, though. pnwmom Aug 2019 #12
Interesting. A few of my DIL's girlfriends in Georgia are Hortensis Aug 2019 #27
Yes, his commentary about demographics is required listening flamingdem Aug 2019 #2
He gave awful advice according to the U.S. Census standingtall Aug 2019 #3
He didn't seem to be "dismissing an entire voting bloc" so much as saying they're not ours... Hekate Aug 2019 #6
He did dismiss when he flatout said we don't need them standingtall Aug 2019 #8
Yes, that was true certainly in 2016. A thirdish of white men Hortensis Aug 2019 #32
I was perplexed. betsuni Aug 2019 #5
Those positions are probably in the Dem platform. wasupaloopa Aug 2019 #9
this , and it's just more discouraging support for Democrats. we have many candidates running and JI7 Aug 2019 #20
It's just a more subtle advertisement for his candidate. betsuni Aug 2019 #24
yes, i think only reason he is kind of talking the way he does is because people are calling him out JI7 Aug 2019 #29
He seems to put a lot of faith in the youth vote. betsuni Aug 2019 #33
I hate that you say white men don't vote for Dems. wasupaloopa Aug 2019 #7
I rolled my eyes at the "welcome to the Dem party" line. BannonsLiver Aug 2019 #13
Difficult to find the statistics but.... KY_EnviroGuy Aug 2019 #15
Being white, I concede the point. PatrickforO Aug 2019 #18
You are right but Dems have old white guys too wasupaloopa Aug 2019 #40
LOL, well, I'll never catch you! I was born in 1958, which was actually the last cool year PatrickforO Aug 2019 #41
It was a pleasant surprise, O Mistress of the Moonlit Gateway! Anon-C Aug 2019 #10
He's bigoted towards white men and moderates. mr_liberal Aug 2019 #14
Most white men don't vote Democratic. That's more of a statistical fact, I suspect, PatrickforO Aug 2019 #17
He attacks white men all the time and it has nothing to do with voting. Its bigotry. nt mr_liberal Aug 2019 #38
I saw that too. PatrickforO Aug 2019 #16
Still think he is full of shit . Because there ARE white men who would vote for some of the JI7 Aug 2019 #19
Moore would be correct in a popular vote general election 5starlib Aug 2019 #21
yet he named Bernie Sanders who does NOT do well with POC and Women as the candidate that could get JI7 Aug 2019 #22
that's a canard ProfessorPlum Aug 2019 #37
Sanders doesn't do as well with the named blocs as Biden BlueWI Aug 2019 #43
Turning out the base has to be the focus. Duh. Garrett78 Aug 2019 #23
Nobody's happier to see Reagan Democrats in the "Gone" column than I am. calimary Aug 2019 #25
Moore is all over... Mike Nelson Aug 2019 #28
I think some of you mistakenly think the base is still establishment centrist Dems. It's not. YOHABLO Aug 2019 #30
the base is black voters who can lean many ways . but social issues are important. Moore is being JI7 Aug 2019 #31
I almost turned him off because I can't stand listening to him,. It am glad I kept it on StarfishSaver Aug 2019 #34
He's right about those things but most of us know to forget about Reagan Dems. brush Aug 2019 #35
I always consider Michael Moore worth a listen True Dough Aug 2019 #36
I stopped paying attention to Moore a long time ago Gothmog Aug 2019 #42
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