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Joe941

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124. Because he was able to work with segregationists.

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Mon Jul 15, 2019, 01:24 PM

Jul 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Biden says he was deceived by Bush on Iraq [View all] bluewater Jul 2019 OP

I wasn't deceived montanacowboy Jul 2019 #1

21 Democratic senators weren't fooled either. Neither was Sanders or 126 Dem house members. nt thesquanderer Jul 2019 #4

Um...no. He voted for plenty of war in Iraq and elsewhere. Nuggets Jul 2019 #128

Not exactly. thesquanderer Jul 2019 #131

Lol Nuggets Jul 2019 #135

Voting to support regime change is NOT the same as voting for troops on the ground! thesquanderer Jul 2019 #136

Oh please Nuggets Jul 2019 #137

You do a lot of LOL. Fact remains, some voted for IWR, some did not... thesquanderer Jul 2019 #140

Fact remains Sanders was fine with forcing Sadaam out of power and that meanst Nuggets Jul 2019 #142

re: "Sanders was fine with forcing Sadaam out of power and that meanst means military efforts" thesquanderer Jul 2019 #143

You made the effort to try and make believe Sanders saw through Bush's Bull Nuggets Jul 2019 #144

Operation Desert Fix is an interesting precedent thesquanderer Jul 2019 #145

Why would he want regime change in Iraq in the first place? Polybius Jul 2019 #139

That's a whole other conversation, but in 1998... thesquanderer Jul 2019 #141

I knew it was bullshit too. NYC Liberal Jul 2019 #24

OOppsie. looks like a few people were not fooled... pangaia Jul 2019 #56

Maybe he should have looked out the window. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2019 #146

+1 DesertRat Jul 2019 #75

Ditto... an administration staffed with known warmongers, not to mention the O-I-L. SMC22307 Jul 2019 #96

Yes larwdem Jul 2019 #103

Voting is no guarantee, sadly, what with gerrymandering, SMC22307 Jul 2019 #125

As it was with so many others that were deceived. Anyone but me remember Collin Powell's Thekaspervote Jul 2019 #2

And they covered Guernica. roody Jul 2019 #6

Or the "mobile chemical weapons lab"... IggleDuer Jul 2019 #31

I remember that, but I also remember a speech he gave prior to 9/11 marylandblue Jul 2019 #63

And I remember Powells lies being debunked in real time wellst0nev0ter Jul 2019 #95

Kindasleazy Rice told us that a mushroom cloud... SMC22307 Jul 2019 #147

John Kerry, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden and others were waiting for Hans Blix's oasis Jul 2019 #3

Well, millions of us saw through the deception... pangaia Jul 2019 #57

Congratulations, maybe you can qualify for the next debate if oasis Jul 2019 #64

LOL.. I don't think so... pangaia Jul 2019 #67

Yeah, how was that?! And Joe got tricked?? InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2019 #69

Off topic but is Bernie and Elizabeth a possibility? Farmer-Rick Jul 2019 #81

More than a possibility based on recent polling... InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2019 #83

Yeah she was implying Elizabeth as Pres and Bernie as VP Farmer-Rick Jul 2019 #86

The Mother Of All Dream Tickets!! tRumpty Dumbty would be history, without a doubt!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2019 #89

Okay, call it deception. I call it a complete lie. This is why Bush/Cheney should face war crimes. YOHABLO Jul 2019 #60

Kerry, HRC and Biden never voted to "go to war". For them, oasis Jul 2019 #66

Yes, getting semantic they didn't directly vote to go to war Lordquinton Jul 2019 #71

Agree onetexan Jul 2019 #104

Would Biden trust McConnell to work with the Democrats? eom guillaumeb Jul 2019 #5

I think he's already said Republicans would work with him if he became President. I'm jalan48 Jul 2019 #7

In my view, he is giving too much weight to what happened in the past. guillaumeb Jul 2019 #8

Hard to believe since he had a ringside seat for eight years to the spectacle. jalan48 Jul 2019 #11

Agreed. guillaumeb Jul 2019 #13

Because he was able to work with segregationists. Joe941 Jul 2019 #124

Biden knew there was no evidence for going to war. trev Jul 2019 #9

Of course Joe did...was painfully obvious to anyone takin the time to evaluate the lack of evidence! InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2019 #78

Disqualifying eom BeyondGeography Jul 2019 #10

100% Ponietz Jul 2019 #88

Hard to believe, that's for sure... even harder that some can't accept responsibility. InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2019 #98

Everybody knew Bush was determined to invade melman Jul 2019 #12

Bush made it clear with his rhetoric loyalsister Jul 2019 #22

Post removed Post removed Jul 2019 #14

Yeah, sure, Joe, it's always someone elses fault. nt mtnsnake Jul 2019 #15

I'm a little surprised to hear Joe make excuses like that... Bernie sure wasn't fooled by Shrub!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2019 #76

Didn't mention cheney, the REAL deceiver? elleng Jul 2019 #16

This is disqualifying Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2019 #17

So is the campaign that hires people to high positions in their campaign who not only voted for Jill still_one Jul 2019 #21

I find someone who was instrumental in giving us Trump even more disqualifying. Amimnoch Jul 2019 #48

Fortunately there is no one like that in our primary Lordquinton Jul 2019 #74

Mmm hmmm. -nt Amimnoch Jul 2019 #91

Well, that's a bit of revisionism on Biden's part. Demit Jul 2019 #18

Wow melman Jul 2019 #19

Thanks for that link. bluewater Jul 2019 #20

That's disqualifying Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2019 #27

Yeah, it's gettin to that point for me HBS...I thought Joe had learned InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2019 #82

A bit?! Joe surely know there's a record of the positions he's taken!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2019 #80

Good research! True Dough Jul 2019 #97

That's the go to excuse/justification for Dem pols confronted with their vote for AUMF Jake Stern Jul 2019 #23

How hard is it to say I was wrong? rogue emissary Jul 2019 #25

Amazing isn't it?!?! I seem to recall Hillary getting that one right and admitting her mistake. InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2019 #84

To everyone who believes.... quickesst Jul 2019 #26

As I've been reminded many times by Biden supporters, marylandblue Jul 2019 #29

Then it will be up to Joe Biden.... quickesst Jul 2019 #68

In 1968 all the anti war candidates had supported the Tonkin Resolution tirebiter Jul 2019 #28

I accept him at his word. He was deceived by Bush. But that's why I prefer a Nanjeanne Jul 2019 #30

i hope he was asked about it at least. Pls stop talking about the past. brush Jul 2019 #32

Imagine admitting you trusted George W. Bush. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2019 #33

Right! This like Harry Reid trusting McConnell. Or Biden trusting McConnell, for that matter. JudyM Jul 2019 #61

Seriously. And Cheney. Rumsfeld. Wolfowitz. Feith. SMC22307 Jul 2019 #94

Why isn't anyone claiming Iraq War vote is off limits because Obama picked him as VP? StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #34

Yet he took a different position once he was a candidate for president and as President. wyldwolf Jul 2019 #51

mocking President Obama is not a good look. bluewater Jul 2019 #52

Why do you think this is mocking? The mocking' is you second guessing Obama's VP choice wyldwolf Jul 2019 #54

suggesting that because Obama picked him, his Iraq war vote doesnt matter AlexSFCA Jul 2019 #105

Just like insisting that Biden can't have his civil rights record questioned because Obama picked hi StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #117

But Biden didn't claim he might have voted differently if he had access to the intelligence StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #119

There's a pattern emerging EffieBlack Jul 2019 #120

Just as in '04, '08, and '16 wyldwolf Jul 2019 #35

"alluded" bluewater Jul 2019 #36

allude: suggest or call attention to indirectly; hint at. wyldwolf Jul 2019 #38

Yes, you did post something untrue StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #40

See post #41 wyldwolf Jul 2019 #42

Lol...get a grip, Wolf. HRC wins easily in 2008 if she had voted against IWR BeyondGeography Jul 2019 #77

I just don't think that is the case. StevieM Jul 2019 #99

Those were caucus states and Mark Penn the genius didn't have a plan for them BeyondGeography Jul 2019 #109

I agree about the caucus states, but Montana was not a caucus state. StevieM Jul 2019 #112

Basically it bought him time to build legitimacy BeyondGeography Jul 2019 #113

Obama never said, suggested or alluded he would have voted for the war StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #39

.. and here are quotes from 2007: wyldwolf Jul 2019 #41

He didn't say he would have voted differently. He was giving an out to those who did StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #43

I didn't say he said he would have voted differently. Try to stay on task. wyldwolf Jul 2019 #44

Why do you seem to have difficulty engaging in discussions with me without being uncivil? StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #47

Why do you always think people are being uncivil to you? wyldwolf Jul 2019 #49

Good question True Dough Jul 2019 #130

more "alluding" bluewater Jul 2019 #50

Tell us what isn't true? wyldwolf Jul 2019 #55

So now you are insinuating President Obama was a liar? bluewater Jul 2019 #58

Post removed Post removed Jul 2019 #59

Iraq war vote cost Hillary the nomination in 2008 AlexSFCA Jul 2019 #107

I am really done with this argument. A lot was going on in 2003 and we ignore it all to use it as silentEcho Jul 2019 #37

as are most Democrats. wyldwolf Jul 2019 #45

I think so, too. Two decades ago. And with all we are experiencing today. silentEcho Jul 2019 #46

Naw padah513 Jul 2019 #53

Judgment at that time mattered, and the fruits of that invasion continue to this day. JudyM Jul 2019 #62

So do the facts of the time and the actual vote that was taken, but we never discuss that. silentEcho Jul 2019 #70

The facts at teh time Lordquinton Jul 2019 #79

i am in complete agreement with you that the facts matter. Not that past judgment calls don't. JudyM Jul 2019 #93

True dat!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2019 #90

I like Joe, but c'mon own up to it. We all knew Bush and Cheney were not telling the truth. End_Electoral Jul 2019 #65

Apparently, like with Anita Hill, that's not gonna happen. InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2019 #85

Bush, the idiot son, deceived the wise and experienced Joe Biden? aikoaiko Jul 2019 #72

Not a good look for a presidential candidate!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2019 #87

Neither is someone appointing people who proudly voted for Jill Stein and encouraging others to do still_one Jul 2019 #92

They weren't fooled by Shrub either. So there's that... Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2019 #118

Sorry, no excuse for those that contributed to where we are today, by voting for Stein over the still_one Jul 2019 #121

He wasn't. nt Autumn Jul 2019 #73

He admits the mistake and let's not forget that he and Barack ended it 8 years later: ucrdem Jul 2019 #100

"'US forces are needed here.' After 15 years, fight in Iraq not over March 20, 2018 " Kaleva Jul 2019 #108

It's disqualifyingly poor judgment (in believing GWB), or he's dissembling (in claiming deception). RockRaven Jul 2019 #101

I call BS on this one. Anyone with half brain knew it was a lie AlexSFCA Jul 2019 #102

I wasn't deceived. Had Dubya given me his word... dchill Jul 2019 #106

Who will he trust when he is president marlakay Jul 2019 #110

He said he trusts that the rethugs are going to work with him, as if. JudyM Jul 2019 #115

many were, the only SINGLE person who could have impacted this WAS COLIN POWELL and he beachbum bob Jul 2019 #111

Votes matter, going along with the crowd should not be a factor with something this important. JudyM Jul 2019 #114

they could have stopped it by voting NO AlexSFCA Jul 2019 #122

Unbelievable. BeckyDem Jul 2019 #116

I really have a hard time with this argument Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2019 #123

That's the one thing I fear about Biden - he like to be liked and seems to have a tendency walkingman Jul 2019 #126

I gag every time I hear a politician claim Bush misled him or her on Iraq dflprincess Jul 2019 #127

Really?there were choie Jul 2019 #129

I wasn't deceived. Iggo Jul 2019 #132

Sorry Biden, even a 12 year old could see through that BS. 58Sunliner Jul 2019 #133

Fig leaves are immaterial at this point. BlueWI Jul 2019 #134

Biden was elected to the Senate in 1973 DeminPennswoods Jul 2019 #138