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Goodheart

(5,264 posts)
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 12:39 PM Jul 2019

I want Medicare for All, but for this election prefer Biden's plan [View all]

The way is very clear to me: make a Public Option so attractive that employers will start to drop out of providing healthcare insurance as an employee benefit.... and employees won't really care.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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What exactly is the difference between a public option and Medicare for All? The name? LonePirate Jul 2019 #1
Medicare for all is not an option. Tiggeroshii Jul 2019 #4
This right here. Drunken Irishman Jul 2019 #12
but even with my medicare it only covers partially and i STILL have to rely samnsara Jul 2019 #16
Sorry to disagree. Any public option would be almost as expensive as all private insurance Tiggeroshii Jul 2019 #17
I am confused as to what you're disagreeing with. Drunken Irishman Jul 2019 #23
The reason why a public option wont work is that you have to convince people to buy into it Tiggeroshii Jul 2019 #25
and medicare for all won't work qazplm135 Jul 2019 #34
Medicare for all can pass the house right now, most likely. Tiggeroshii Jul 2019 #39
really? qazplm135 Jul 2019 #42
It is because the voters in those states support it. Tiggeroshii Jul 2019 #43
70% support the general idea qazplm135 Jul 2019 #56
No it can't. There are not enough votes for it...and even with the Senate...we won't have 60 votes.. Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #55
Only the house. Tiggeroshii Jul 2019 #58
That is a bill that will spend huge amounts of money and it can not be done in reconciliation. Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #89
It has been said/formulated that it's too much too soon, a huge undertaking, not sprinkleeninow Jul 2019 #81
I agree completely. I like our insurance and Medicare would cost us a fortune and we would still be Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #90
The dismantling of ACA is depressing, but what can you expect from sprinkleeninow Jul 2019 #105
The other candidates are making a rookie mistake in my view... Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #113
It'll all 'pan out'.... sprinkleeninow Jul 2019 #115
No, it can't wiley Jul 2019 #82
What's ridiculous is trying the same thing over and over expecting different results Tiggeroshii Jul 2019 #84
Like Bernie running for President? That's actually the definition of insanity wiley Jul 2019 #117
Classy post...NOT Tiggeroshii Jul 2019 #118
Obama and Biden ran twice and won wiley Jul 2019 #121
Biden is really good at running for Vice President Tiggeroshii Jul 2019 #122
You just explained why Medicare for All won't work... Drunken Irishman Jul 2019 #38
Somehow the US is the only modern industrialized nation that doesnt have a single payer option Tiggeroshii Jul 2019 #41
When people realize ... how are you going to get them to realize this? Drunken Irishman Jul 2019 #109
By telling them? Tiggeroshii Jul 2019 #112
Maybe because the public doesn't believe it TexasTowelie Jul 2019 #119
There are folks who's states did not expand medicaid...we shouldn't do a buy in to Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #57
If we are stuck with a buy in, then you are probably right Tiggeroshii Jul 2019 #59
It's worse than that. Voltaire2 Jul 2019 #87
You can disagree, but you would be wrong. The overhead for Medicare is two percent if memory serves. Politicub Jul 2019 #69
Creating an option doesnt disconnect that insurance option from the private medical industry Tiggeroshii Jul 2019 #75
Here's the problem with that argument. HerbChestnut Jul 2019 #18
Here's the problem with your argument... Drunken Irishman Jul 2019 #22
M4A is just single payer healthcare, which is widely used around the world. HerbChestnut Jul 2019 #24
You fight for it, but you fight one battle at a time ooky Jul 2019 #26
The same arguments were used during the last election before Trump was in office. HerbChestnut Jul 2019 #28
We will be able to do more if we control the executive and legislative branches ooky Jul 2019 #30
If 70% support medicare for all, how would they be afraid of it? Tiggeroshii Jul 2019 #31
It all depends on how the question is phrased. ooky Jul 2019 #36
Right if you push poll people, they dont approve of it as much Tiggeroshii Jul 2019 #37
But in this case the push poll reveals a lot to be concerned over ooky Jul 2019 #44
And having information selectively fed to them also leaves them Tiggeroshii Jul 2019 #47
Its not tax misinformation I think bothers the voters. Its the fear of losing something they ooky Jul 2019 #74
Tax misinformation creates a fear based on that false information Tiggeroshii Jul 2019 #77
People support something that they think is better Tiggeroshii Jul 2019 #67
Only 15 % support it if work place/private insurance goes away. The GOP are already running Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #63
That was part of Hillary's message in 2016. Didn't work out well. HerbChestnut Jul 2019 #33
70% support medicare for all Tiggeroshii Jul 2019 #29
I believe in pushing realistic options Drunken Irishman Jul 2019 #40
It is the most realistic option we have Tiggeroshii Jul 2019 #48
No it's not. Drunken Irishman Jul 2019 #108
Not true...most countries have a hybrid system. Single payer is the exception not the rule. Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #60
Here's a link showing healthcare systems around the world by country. HerbChestnut Jul 2019 #64
There are other options...it makes no sense to attempt to redo health care...we may end up Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #91
It makes a whole lot of sense to "redo" healthcare. HerbChestnut Jul 2019 #94
It would be far easier to fix it than to start over...do you have any idea how long it took Canada Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #97
Yeah that's just a load of crap. HerbChestnut Jul 2019 #98
It is true actually...but MFA is a losing issue politically...it isn't going to happen. Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #99
Remember how Hillary ran on expanding the ACA? HerbChestnut Jul 2019 #100
Trump promised to make it better...different election with Trump trying to destroy it...but that was Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #114
For one, Medicare for All is not an option. ooky Jul 2019 #5
Which is great for a couple of reasons. HerbChestnut Jul 2019 #9
Agree those could be good reasons, but ooky Jul 2019 #15
M4A has been introduced as legislation in Congress HerbChestnut Jul 2019 #19
I'm well aware of that but that doesn't mean its past the concept stage. ooky Jul 2019 #21
Continuing private insurance has far more unknowns. Tiggeroshii Jul 2019 #49
And has zero chance of passing...total waste of time and politically foolish. Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #70
If Trump or Biden get elected, you're right, it has no chance of passing. HerbChestnut Jul 2019 #71
It won't happen no matter who gets elected...and running on MFA will get Trump reelected. Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #93
Good, I'm glad they're running commercials. HerbChestnut Jul 2019 #95
No it means they know it is a losing issue for us... Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #96
Ah nice idea,but Wellstone ruled Jul 2019 #20
The difference is the number of people enrolled in the program, which is massively important. HerbChestnut Jul 2019 #7
More people in an already large risk pool does not necessarily mean lower cost. And, those new Hoyt Jul 2019 #73
You also have to consider consolodating all private insurance pools into one public pool. HerbChestnut Jul 2019 #79
It is a choice. You don't force anyone on it. Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #50
It is only a choice in the short time frame. LonePirate Jul 2019 #53
So do the insurance companies zipplewrath Jul 2019 #2
Pete's idea months ago. mobeau69 Jul 2019 #3
Yes, sounds good. elleng Jul 2019 #6
And other Democrats' idea, too, before the 2008 election and while the ACA was being debated. highplainsdem Jul 2019 #11
Agree. SouthernProgressive Jul 2019 #8
Universal healthcare can and often does have an employer component GulfCoast66 Jul 2019 #45
Remove all connections from employment. SouthernProgressive Jul 2019 #46
I respectfully disagree. GulfCoast66 Jul 2019 #52
I don't want them to vote for a plan that will eliminate it. SouthernProgressive Jul 2019 #76
I disagree...we need to get business to pay their fair share....breaking the connection would be Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #68
Removing the corporate/health insurance connection is an extremely important part... SouthernProgressive Jul 2019 #72
I disagree. And it politically a disaster for any party that attempts it. Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #92
Me too. It makes more sense in a lot of ways. ooky Jul 2019 #10
I don't understand why they keep talking moonscape Jul 2019 #13
I agree, we truly risk losing if our nominee runs on eliminating private Celerity Jul 2019 #14
I had great insurance from my employer, much better than Medicare. olegramps Jul 2019 #27
Yes, and lots of doctors have stopped accepting new patients who are on Medicare, too, though highplainsdem Jul 2019 #35
Talking to my long time doctor, he said more clinics are the only option. olegramps Jul 2019 #62
In my town over the last three or four years... VarryOn Jul 2019 #110
Couple weeks ago, I had to spend about 30 minutes in my GP's waiting room... VarryOn Jul 2019 #111
The same will happen to me...Medicare sucks unless you are poor enough to get Medicaid...and Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #65
Yes, that seems to me the most feasible way forward as well, PatrickforO Jul 2019 #32
Symone Sanders from Biden's campaign laid out a beautiful oasis Jul 2019 #51
Really Good to Know, oasis! Cha Jul 2019 #86
Symone is always prepared. Always. oasis Jul 2019 #102
And yet, this person Cha Jul 2019 #104
Erin Burnett is one of CNN's shallow, half slick, "Gotcha Hosts". oasis Jul 2019 #106
You're welcome, oasis.. Cha Jul 2019 #107
Medicare for all WITH occupational buy in's. Amimnoch Jul 2019 #54
I heard Steyer say something close, like a public option working toward phasing out brewens Jul 2019 #61
Biden's plan is great. I would be happy with it as a stepping stone to universal single payer. Politicub Jul 2019 #66
👍 sprinkleeninow Jul 2019 #83
I agree. Medicare for all is the dream. musicblind Jul 2019 #78
Agreed Medicare for All who wanted it is a much easier sell Progressive83 Jul 2019 #80
Some folks upthread area51 Jul 2019 #85
Yes, Biden's plan is preferable. Cha Jul 2019 #88
I'm with you Downtown Hound Jul 2019 #101
I support Obamacare with Biden's changes Gothmog Jul 2019 #103
Obama calls 'Medicare for all' a 'good' idea Go Vols Jul 2019 #116
WHICH MfA, Goodheart? One of the versions that preserves Hortensis Jul 2019 #120
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