Democratic Primaries

thesquanderer

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112. That's an interesting point.

Sat Jul 13, 2019, 10:12 AM

Jul 2019

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A possible fix for that problem is something I don't think anyone is talking about... maintaining medicaid as separate from the public/medicare system for everyone else. While no one may be advocating for that, I could see that as a possibly necessary compromise in any final "single payer" bill, essentially creating a "two tier" public healthcare system, of those who can afford to pay at least some premium/tax and those who cannot afford to pay any. And providers might have to be obligated to accept a certain number of medicaid patients.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Eleanor Clift: SUICIDE - Embracing Medicare for All Will Put the Democratic Party on Life Support [View all] Kahuna7 Jul 2019 OP

Didn't pundits and candidates, back in the day, say that about Social Security and Medicare too? bluewater Jul 2019 #1

What's your point? Eleanor Clift didn't say it. If you're Kahuna7 Jul 2019 #2

Pundits have been saying this. It's been said here on DU too. bluewater Jul 2019 #3

So now it's my turn. Do you mind??? Kahuna7 Jul 2019 #4

Not at all. And let me apologize. bluewater Jul 2019 #6

There's pretty simple economic math at play here. AtheistCrusader Jul 2019 #7

Bluewater is overly concerned about sources wyldwolf Jul 2019 #39

Well, if they are not promoting MFA, anyway. (nt) ehrnst Jul 2019 #54

Which pundits? Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #11

The great undefined "they" that prove how TOTALLY right someone who is in favor of "A" is ehrnst Jul 2019 #15

Make that Pundits, Candidates and critics actually. bluewater Jul 2019 #19

I'm asking which pundits Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #22

Google is your friend lol bluewater Jul 2019 #31

More googles... ehrnst Jul 2019 #33

Those are not pundits Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #61

Some pundits from back in the day... bluewater Jul 2019 #81

Again not pundits Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #82

The dictionary disagrees with you. bluewater Jul 2019 #83

They were not pundits Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #84

They were too, of course. bluewater Jul 2019 #85

They were not pundits Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #86

Pundits are partisan more often than not. thesquanderer Jul 2019 #100

Very true nt Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #105

Demonizing all dissenting views on a particular bill takes all the effort out of ehrnst Jul 2019 #13

And baddies from the present, as well wyldwolf Jul 2019 #43

Like I said, it's sure easier than critical thinking. (nt) ehrnst Jul 2019 #49

Shoot the messenger crazytown Jul 2019 #80

But is it right Gringoguapisimo Jul 2019 #103

BS - when they learn that no change in doctors and hospitals- majority supports AlexSFCA Jul 2019 #5

So true about the marketing. It is our huge Achilles heel, when will we improve? JudyM Jul 2019 #14

"democrats inability to market ideas " pangaia Jul 2019 #32

What poll are you quoting when you say ehrnst Jul 2019 #50

exactly. Voltaire2 Jul 2019 #70

But some people absolutely will lose their doctors Recursion Jul 2019 #96

re: "lots of people won't be able to keep seeing their current doctor" thesquanderer Jul 2019 #102

Because when you change how doctors get paid they change their patient loads Recursion Jul 2019 #106

That's an interesting point. thesquanderer Jul 2019 #112

If Democrats swing and miss with MFA, we're out, Trump's in. nt oasis Jul 2019 #8

I agree that this would help re-elect trump and may cost Dems control of the House Gothmog Jul 2019 #9

There's one major primary candidate who is not pushing MFA. MineralMan Jul 2019 #10

x1000 peggysue2 Jul 2019 #24

Exactly. We get a chance in 2020. MineralMan Jul 2019 #25

This is why I suport Biden calguy Jul 2019 #27

I support Biden, in part because I think he has the best chance MineralMan Jul 2019 #29

Also Buttigieg, if and when he crosses your "major candidate" threshold (n/t) thesquanderer Jul 2019 #104

This message was self-deleted by its author LovingA2andMI Jul 2019 #12

Yep ... MFA is political suicide indeed K&R nt NYMinute Jul 2019 #16

Healthcare is a winner for democrats. This is a right wing talking point. onecaliberal Jul 2019 #17

There is nothing right wing about Eleanor Clift. She has a decades long Kahuna7 Jul 2019 #23

Healthcare is a WINNER for dems. /end onecaliberal Jul 2019 #26

Yep, preserving the ACA was what got us the Blue Wave in 2018. ehrnst Jul 2019 #52

That's exactly right, ehrnst! Nancy Pelosi Cha Jul 2019 #90

Clift is a thirdway relic from the 90s. Voltaire2 Jul 2019 #38

Wait... Didn't you call her the "health industrial complex?" ehrnst Jul 2019 #48

Healthcare but not MFA...Clift is correct. Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #37

No, Eleanor Cliff is Not RW as you assert. Cha Jul 2019 #89

I can't wait to see Kamala being pressed on her back and forth regarding private insurance, during Skya Rhen Jul 2019 #18

I'd certainly like to see Harris back off her embrace of MFA. comradebillyboy Jul 2019 #46

I'm thinking that Warren will do so as well. She's too smart an economist ehrnst Jul 2019 #55

I'd like to see that as well. I'd certainly warm to her comradebillyboy Jul 2019 #92

She could take the trajectory of Paul Wellstone ehrnst Jul 2019 #98

Mayor Pete had the best answer DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2019 #20

But that won't work, because then employers will drop any and all health benefits ehrnst Jul 2019 #47

Great idea in theory, but a disaster politically OKNancy Jul 2019 #21

That's what the state exchanges and medicaid expansion were supposed to accomplish. ehrnst Jul 2019 #44

Got to go with my own interests here Bradical79 Jul 2019 #28

I won't support any candidate in the primary who is for MFA...I want Trump gone. Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #40

I agree, and even the public option that Biden, Buttigieg, Bullock and some others support Celerity Jul 2019 #51

It would be hard but I think can be done in reconciliation...it would address the millions who have Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #57

a fairly complete rundown of possible R to D Senate flips Celerity Jul 2019 #59

I don't see any sure bets...we haven't won Texas in decades, We lost a Sen. Seat in TN in 18, Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #60

'North Carolina hasn't gone our way in the Senate in decades' Celerity Jul 2019 #63

Offer a Medicare Buy In for those that want it instead of private for profit insurance Freethinker65 Jul 2019 #30

This message was self-deleted by its author ehrnst Jul 2019 #36

A *gradual* expansion of Medicare was a proposal - allow those 55 and up buy into it for ehrnst Jul 2019 #42

Don't go after the already insured...we need to insure those who live in states where Medicare was Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #58

From my twitter feed Gothmog Jul 2019 #34

Not to mention her proclamation of, Kahuna7 Jul 2019 #41

MFA is only one major proposal Warren is running on. She supports several other big ticket policies emmaverybo Jul 2019 #64

+1 nt Kahuna7 Jul 2019 #78

+ 1. Excellent post. oasis Jul 2019 #93

re: "why help wealthy parents? Why give 100 percent free tuition to all" thesquanderer Jul 2019 #107

The demographic of CC system enrollees is not uniform. Some wealthy parents do indeed foot the emmaverybo Jul 2019 #111

I see the health industrial complex is going Voltaire2 Jul 2019 #35

So anyone who dissents from the dogma is from "the health industrial complex?" ehrnst Jul 2019 #45

No. I'm on Medicare and far from any complex OKNancy Jul 2019 #66

No what you are doing is repeating the HIC talking points. Voltaire2 Jul 2019 #67

Eleanor, sweetie, saidsimplesimon Jul 2019 #53

However, what a politician promises is what helps them win elections. (nt) ehrnst Jul 2019 #56

Analysis How Trump wins in 2020: Americans see his opponent as a "socialist" Gothmog Jul 2019 #62

Well you know they are going to attack any candidate we put up as a socialist. Voltaire2 Jul 2019 #68

Of course, it's a lot easier when the candidate agrees... brooklynite Jul 2019 #71

In fact it will be easier. Voltaire2 Jul 2019 #72

Or (just spitalling here) you can talk about the policy benefits AND not call yourself Socialist brooklynite Jul 2019 #73

Nominating a candidate who has policies that fit the definition will only help trump Gothmog Jul 2019 #76

Because in an economy that appears to be doing well, I don't see a socialist revolution Kahuna7 Jul 2019 #74

Most POTUS are re-elected for second term unless the economy is bad Gothmog Jul 2019 #75

Yep. nt Kahuna7 Jul 2019 #77

They can thank President Obama for Cha Jul 2019 #91

Agree. So maybe the trick is to draw a real distinction between the candidate's values and character emmaverybo Jul 2019 #94

Comments attached to the HuffPo Article about Jill Biden v Harris Kahuna7 Jul 2019 #95

So, can we get a list of everything that will "destroy" the Democratic party? Bettie Jul 2019 #65

Unity Ticket! Voltaire2 Jul 2019 #69

Codswollop. eom shanny Jul 2019 #79

One word for Eleanor Clift: BULLSHIT Autumn Jul 2019 #87

I think the American people are ready for the term Single Payer... Mach1miles Jul 2019 #88

And yet it polls at 22% Recursion Jul 2019 #97

I guess I don't understand your point. Mach1miles Jul 2019 #101

lol nope. Nice try though Eleanor. BeckyDem Jul 2019 #99

That is what the polls show, medicare for all is unpopular Progressive dog Jul 2019 #108

Her article reaches too far, though. thesquanderer Jul 2019 #109

listening to the likes of Eleanor Clift would put the Democratic Party on Life Support. eom shanny Jul 2019 #110