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tonedevil

(3,022 posts)
Fri Jun 21, 2019, 05:09 PM Jun 2019

Can we at least admit he misspoke? [View all]

in regards to VP Biden's remarks that have aroused at least a little controversy, I understand he wanted to illustrate that it is possible to work with politicians with whom you strogly disagree. It seems to me it would be a stronger yet safer argument to use Republican Senators he has worked with rather than a Democrat who was still fighting for segregation, but it still works with his message. In answer to a legitimate complaint that there are too many controversies around Biden the remarks I am referring to are these:

Mr. Biden, speaking at a fund-raiser at the Carlyle Hotel in New York City on Tuesday night, stressed the need to “be able to reach consensus under our system,” and cast his decades in the Senate as a time of relative comity. His remarks come as some in his party say that Mr. Biden, the former vice president, is too focused on overtures to the right as he seeks the Democratic presidential nomination.
At the event, Mr. Biden noted that he served with the late Senators James O. Eastland of Mississippi and Herman Talmadge of Georgia, both Democrats who were staunch opponents of desegregation. Mr. Eastland was the powerful chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee when Mr. Biden entered the chamber in 1973.
“I was in a caucus with James O. Eastland,” said Mr. Biden, 76, slipping briefly into a Southern accent, according to a pool report from the fund-raiser. “He never called me ‘boy,’ he always called me ‘son.’”

If he is going to continue to tell that story he should work really hard to get all the words right. The word swap that caused this to be an issue is substituting boy for Senator. Biden has been telling this story of his prowess at handling virulent racists for a bit of time now, but it never hit the big time until what I believe is an unacknowledged misstatement. In the past he has said that Senator Eastland never called him Senator always son. That makes a lot more sense and is a lot less controversial than he never called me boy he always called me son. In the first example it is clear Eastland was seriously disrespectful to Biden who was a fellow Senator. In the second example son seems like it could be an endearment in comparison to the alternative. It also causes one to wonder if Biden understands who Eastland would call boy.
At this point Biden and his campaign have not acknowledged the misspeaking and I think that is giving this story more legs than it might have. Nobody has actually called Biden a racist, but that is what him, his campaign, and his supporters have been arguing against. This could have been put to bed quite quickly if the boy-son part would have been handled.
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I wish posters would put in the Biden statement they're speaking of, when they do their posts. Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #1
I edited to try to make that more clear. Thanks /nt tonedevil Jun 2019 #9
Thanks. That DOES make it clearer. Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #20
I don't think the talking about working with a segregationist... tonedevil Jun 2019 #24
As it turns out, the senator called younger white guys boy or son. Story about Ted Kennedy in emmaverybo Jun 2019 #32
Do you think these two sentences... tonedevil Jun 2019 #34
Stop parsing. You are not a linguist. You have taken to dismissing any new information and to emmaverybo Jun 2019 #47
Ok boy. /nt tonedevil Jun 2019 #48
Oh, yeah. Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #40
It's time to move on ... stonecutter357 Jun 2019 #2
OK / nt tonedevil Jun 2019 #3
+1 -K&R. People are twisting Biden's words big time onetexan Jun 2019 #17
He must have a foot fetish Cheap_Trick Jun 2019 #4
he is a friend to the rich and the bigoted Amyishere Jun 2019 #6
Oh go away!! Thekaspervote Jun 2019 #12
Got some outsiders here, I am going to walk away, fuck this.. This will very soon Eliot Rosewater Jun 2019 #16
Ignore them. Theyre trying to dissuade people from Biden. onetexan Jun 2019 #18
Second the emotion. Great link. emmaverybo Jun 2019 #39
who is the rich and bigoted friend ? stonecutter357 Jun 2019 #33
Rich people like Bernie? Skya Rhen Jun 2019 #11
it's only okay for him to be tonedeaf about the past if it's the past Amyishere Jun 2019 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jun 2019 #7
Is this really bashing in your opinion? /nt tonedevil Jun 2019 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jun 2019 #10
YES.. YES it is Thekaspervote Jun 2019 #13
No Peacetrain Jun 2019 #14
Thank you... tonedevil Jun 2019 #19
I did not think you were bashing.. and I do not think VP Biden misspoke.. Peacetrain Jun 2019 #21
This is where I believe he misspoke... tonedevil Jun 2019 #22
Give it up. This won't get a single vote to your Senator BS. nt NYMinute Jun 2019 #43
Don't want any votes for... tonedevil Jun 2019 #49
BS aren't his initials? nt NYMinute Jun 2019 #58
They certainly are... tonedevil Jun 2019 #61
Of dear Gawd, give me patience. NT emmaverybo Jun 2019 #44
POOF... tonedevil Jun 2019 #50
That made me laugh in a good way. NT emmaverybo Jun 2019 #52
Thanks... tonedevil Jun 2019 #53
Oh my. Perhaps log off for a wee bit. demmiblue Jun 2019 #35
Criticizing Joe takes too much time & energy away from attacking... JoeOtterbein Jun 2019 #15
No he said what he meant...you can work with the worst in order to get stuff done. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #23
In the past... tonedevil Jun 2019 #25
Read this post about Eastman calling Ted Kennedy 'boy.' LAS14 Jun 2019 #30
Apparently... tonedevil Jun 2019 #38
He did not misspeak NYMinute Jun 2019 #26
I've written this a lot in here... tonedevil Jun 2019 #27
Either way, he was saying he was insulted. nt NYMinute Jun 2019 #41
If I'm expecting to be called boy... tonedevil Jun 2019 #51
YES. emmaverybo Jun 2019 #45
More like we misunderstood... MineralMan Jun 2019 #28
I think... tonedevil Jun 2019 #37
Could be, but we're overanalyzing. MineralMan Jun 2019 #55
I'm pretty sure... tonedevil Jun 2019 #56
Apparently he didn't mis-speak. Check this post: LAS14 Jun 2019 #29
Even in light of Kennedy being amused at being called boy... tonedevil Jun 2019 #31
Biden is so far down my list, this really doesn't matter to me. Maybe folks should move on..n/t monmouth4 Jun 2019 #36
If it doesn't matter to you... tonedevil Jun 2019 #42
TY monmouth4 Jun 2019 #46
Right. Biden's mistake is not realizing that his audience wasn't aware of... LAS14 Jun 2019 #62
Yes he Misspoke. And there is nothing wrong with admitting when you are wrong tulipsandroses Jun 2019 #54
Thank you... tonedevil Jun 2019 #57
The fact that he doesn't seem to try to, or even want to, understand how his words or actions Demit Jun 2019 #63
Very well said. BlueWI Jun 2019 #64
This message was self-deleted by its author Politicub Jun 2019 #59
I can believe that he misspoke. But when making a joke or a point about serious issues like race, Blue_true Jun 2019 #60
In defence of Biden, I heard he dozed off at the podium & was talking in his sleep when he said it mtnsnake Jun 2019 #65
I don't think in some people's eyes he can say or do anything right treestar Jun 2019 #66
100% this. nt oasis Jun 2019 #67
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