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brooklynite

(94,302 posts)
Mon May 20, 2019, 02:09 PM May 2019

Is Sanders past his sell-by date? [View all]

Washington Post

The conventional wisdom has finally caught up to what moderate Democrats have known for years: There are a lot of Democratic voters nowhere near as extreme as Sanders, and these voters are going to be content with simply finding a winner.

As former North Dakota senator Heidi Heitkamp (D) said on ABC’s “This Week”: "One of the things that I know from talking to the most liberal of Democrats is they want someone who can win.” She observed that “when they see the polling numbers out of Michigan and Pennsylvania, and they see that this president already has got double-digit lead over — this candidate, Biden has a double-digit lead over the president, they’re like okay, let’s get on board, let’s make sure we do the one thing we all want to do, which is defeat Donald Trump as the next president of the United States.”

If the primary contest were about ideological rigidity, Sanders might win. That, however, doesn’t look like what is motivating Democrats. “When you look at what Democrats want, they want someone who can beat this president, and they’re willing to look at any range of issues as long as they’re in change from what we have whether it’s on health care, whether it’s on climate, we don’t need to be, you know, arguing the extremes,” Heitkamp says. “We just need to say what we’re seeing right now, ignoring climate, ignoring the immigration problem, ignoring wealth in — disparity in this country. Those are not a path forward.”

Biden may have a tougher time with more moderate contenders or with Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) and her filing cabinet filled with policy ideas. (Compared to Sanders, she’s much more willing, for example, to look at intermediary steps before we reach the nirvana of Medicare-for-all.) Moreover, standing next to Sanders on the debate stage, Biden may look a whole lot younger than his 76 years. He sure is going to sound a lot more reasonable and informed.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Is Sanders past his sell-by date? [View all] brooklynite May 2019 OP
I think a lot of people prefer a candidate with evidence of spooky3 May 2019 #1
agreed Gothmog May 2019 #7
I prefer a candidate who doesn't stumble over EASY questions about abortion... NurseJackie May 2019 #25
You forgot to say "In my opinion..." since you don't know how prepared he was. George Eliot May 2019 #105
Cue the crickets... chirp! chirp! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2019 #106
Oh brother! After just FOUR minutes? NurseJackie May 2019 #128
Some people need victories so they try to take them any where they can. ehrnst May 2019 #135
It's already painfully obvious to any impartial observer how UN-prepared he was. NurseJackie May 2019 #124
+1000. (nt) ehrnst May 2019 #125
Even to the casual observer, the fact that he was unable to answer a question regarding..... George II May 2019 #146
I don't know, but pundits like to push this narrative. aikoaiko May 2019 #2
No Question... RazBerryBeret May 2019 #3
Yea! The horse-race stories and angle are afoot and its still 18 months out! Moostache May 2019 #4
Not in Vermont. NT SouthernProgressive May 2019 #5
Isn't cheese one of the major products of Vermont? George II May 2019 #30
Wow. zentrum May 2019 #45
What makes you think that wasn't alerted... SidDithers May 2019 #60
Same here. zentrum May 2019 #83
The current jury system is better in several ways. Blue_true May 2019 #89
Yes. This system zentrum May 2019 #93
Mainly white American. SouthernProgressive May 2019 #70
Vermont cheese makers make other flavors. Blue_true May 2019 #90
I had some Vermont cheddar once. SouthernProgressive May 2019 #97
I am no expert on cheese, not infinitely, remotely close. Blue_true May 2019 #98
Moldy cheese? Gothmog May 2019 #132
Good editorial-the party is far too moderate for sanders to get the nomination Gothmog May 2019 #6
The party is what we make it. Tiggeroshii May 2019 #13
Those candidates won in very blue districts Gothmog May 2019 #16
Agreed. They replaced staunch moderates nonetheless. Tiggeroshii May 2019 #17
I am glad that the polling shows that the party as a whole is moderate Gothmog May 2019 #55
Washington Post-Analysis: How the Democrats' shift to the left indirectly aids Joe Biden Gothmog May 2019 #62
It looks to me like "the European Center" is rapidly moving to the right. Nitram May 2019 #20
Hope not! Tiggeroshii May 2019 #24
Right wing parties have recently gained votes and seats in many European countries. Nitram May 2019 #27
I know this. Tiggeroshii May 2019 #28
Unfortunately those three have had more of a negative "influence" on mainstream Democrats..... George II May 2019 #31
Positive or negative, they have moved the party leftwards. Tiggeroshii May 2019 #34
No they haven't. George II May 2019 #35
Bernie likes to think that decades old dem policy is something he did... no it isn't Thekaspervote May 2019 #43
Yes they have. Tiggeroshii May 2019 #49
The green new deal is just a list if the same goals Nuggets May 2019 #59
The "green new deal" hasn't been written, much less passed. It's just a resolution.... George II May 2019 #130
Absolutely true. zentrum May 2019 #41
You're right NYMinute May 2019 #38
the addition of three people qazplm135 May 2019 #56
Their voices, however, are. Tiggeroshii May 2019 #58
no, not really qazplm135 May 2019 #68
The revolution started the day FDR introduced the 2nd bill of rights Tiggeroshii May 2019 #99
this whole attempt qazplm135 May 2019 #113
Not even true Tiggeroshii May 2019 #115
Lol qazplm135 May 2019 #123
LOL. His second vice president was not Truman. Hello? Tiggeroshii May 2019 #134
First of all I wasn't referencing Truman qazplm135 May 2019 #138
You made clear you thought I was calling Truman socialist as you made a point to point out he wasn't Tiggeroshii May 2019 #139
JFK qazplm135 May 2019 #141
That seems like a contradiction of your last post, but centrists are not the future of the party. Tiggeroshii May 2019 #143
The Democratic Party is akin to the "European right"? lapucelle May 2019 #96
The so-called "Sanders Wing" (a misnomer at that) of the Democratic Party represents.... George II May 2019 #46
That's significant. Tiggeroshii May 2019 #100
When did Warren become Bernie's disciple? comradebillyboy May 2019 #131
Those that comprise the "Sanders wing" of the Democratic Party were there before 2016..... George II May 2019 #147
+1000. (nt) ehrnst May 2019 #126
K&R Scurrilous May 2019 #8
A loooong time ago. DavidDvorkin May 2019 #9
His 'Meet the Press' interview yesterday was embarassing. comradebillyboy May 2019 #10
And Dem bashing. You forgot the incessant Dem bashing. Maru Kitteh May 2019 #118
Bernie Sanders is the middle of the road Jeremy Corbyn of US politicians. GoneOffShore May 2019 #11
Don't underestimate Bernie. beastie boy May 2019 #12
+1 nt Fresh_Start May 2019 #37
I am concerned about him becoming more bitter as he falls behind. Blue_true May 2019 #91
He could very well be Hav May 2019 #14
Some people that voted for Bernie is 2016 don't like how he led into Blue_true May 2019 #94
I'm one of them. I'm totally over Bernie. The Velveteen Ocelot May 2019 #144
Biden endorsed Heitkamp in the mid-terms. So she's returning the favor. Honeycombe8 May 2019 #15
I don't know if he has but I do know I have. nt yaesu May 2019 #18
Such an obvious hit piece by a Biden fan LiberalLovinLug May 2019 #19
"Fangirl"? Really???? She's 56 years old. George II May 2019 #33
Yes "fangirl" It was so one-sided, over the top, and disengenuous that the word fits LiberalLovinLug May 2019 #51
does it seem right? qazplm135 May 2019 #57
Uhhh ...there's a lot of substance to her words. And a lot of facts to back it up. Thekaspervote May 2019 #44
You summed it up pretty well... it's getting tiresome, but, take comfort... InAbLuEsTaTe May 2019 #107
Yup, cheers LiberalLovinLug May 2019 #121
... NYMinute May 2019 #127
Calling a mature woman "girl" is sexist ... please delete that word nt LibFarmer May 2019 #108
Okay I took off the "girl" LiberalLovinLug May 2019 #120
One hopes so. Of course I wouldn't have bought him... NNadir May 2019 #21
It's fast approaching. oasis May 2019 #22
Yes...nt SidDithers May 2019 #23
As Pee Wee Herman says... dchill May 2019 #26
Timing is everything. LakeArenal May 2019 #29
The Sell-By Date Doesn't Apply To Just Sanders DallasNE May 2019 #32
Not just sell by NYMinute May 2019 #36
MSM loves zentrum May 2019 #39
:) Yup. I'm thinking for fallaways among the normal Democrats Hortensis May 2019 #40
Post removed Post removed May 2019 #42
Why is it that every day there has to be a nasty, negative post about Doitnow May 2019 #47
Simply not true in the case of Biden. A recent Daily Beast Op-Ed claimed he "railroaded Anita Hill," emmaverybo May 2019 #88
However, Biden seems to get a pass for his "sins" and Doitnow May 2019 #92
You would not vote against rump? Tipperary May 2019 #133
Yes go back to the Senate, Bernie and do your job the people of Vermont elected you to do! kimbutgar May 2019 #48
Jennifer Rubin melman May 2019 #50
so he's extreme then she goes on to say ideological rigidity he could win. It's easy to see she Kurt V. May 2019 #52
Sanders past his sell-by date? True Dough May 2019 #53
who cares? Pushing the party to the left is a service even if he's not viable ultimately. Grasswire2 May 2019 #54
In the process of "pushing" he is also damaging the party and helping the Republicans. honest.abe May 2019 #63
Sez you. Grasswire2 May 2019 #64
Sez 12% of Bernie supporters who voted for Trump in '16. beastie boy May 2019 #65
this again.....a canard. Grasswire2 May 2019 #67
No need to prove my point. beastie boy May 2019 #72
Sez anybody who isn't biased. honest.abe May 2019 #66
Sez a lot of People.. and Cha May 2019 #79
Sez anyone who is not a BS devotee nt LibFarmer May 2019 #109
Exactly! Cha May 2019 #78
Washington Post-Analysis: How the Democrats' shift to the left indirectly aids Joe Biden Gothmog May 2019 #71
The party is not left...midterms showed that. Demsrule86 May 2019 #112
What was the sell by date? ecstatic May 2019 #61
1962? nt LibFarmer May 2019 #110
BS is too divisive.. goes on MTP Cha May 2019 #69
+++++++ R B Garr May 2019 #74
Telling The Democratic Party.. Cha May 2019 #75
The package was empty anyway. betsuni May 2019 #73
.. Cha May 2019 #77
... NurseJackie May 2019 #129
What is called "reasonable" varies. guillaumeb May 2019 #76
Sanders has been in Congress many years, why hasn't he passed something better JI7 May 2019 #80
Sanders cannot pass anything. guillaumeb May 2019 #81
isn't Sanders a member of one of those chambers ? Obama was able to pass something JI7 May 2019 #82
Yes, something. eom guillaumeb May 2019 #84
something that actually improved things from before JI7 May 2019 #86
It did improve some things. guillaumeb May 2019 #87
Much better to have insisted on Sanders' version and passed nothing I guess? brooklynite May 2019 #104
He did name two post offices. nt LibFarmer May 2019 #111
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2019 #85
Exactly. Have you noticed they don't post new polls until there is one that Doitnow May 2019 #95
Oh do tell.. that poster didn't know Cha May 2019 #114
Must be. democratisphere May 2019 #101
Yes. Downtown Hound May 2019 #102
Apparently so. Without Hillary to vilify and his Dem establishment... brush May 2019 #103
That's a mean title. BootinUp May 2019 #116
Yes but he won't get out of the race. GeniusJoy May 2019 #119
Yeah, he's past that date. It is obvious here. rusty quoin May 2019 #117
Expired March 2016 MyNameGoesHere May 2019 #122
Joe Biden's vote for the Iraq War Resolution Eric J in MN May 2019 #136
Odd, isn't it, to compare a candidate's experience to groceries? George Eliot May 2019 #137
What do you expect from Jennifer Rubin of the Wapo's "Right Turn" column? Hassin Bin Sober May 2019 #142
Nicely put Hekate May 2019 #140
I don't know. Did they even HAVE "sell-by" dates that long ago? NurseJackie May 2019 #145
This is interesting Gothmog May 2019 #148
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