2016 Postmortem

Jarqui

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127. I think O'Malley needs to focus on getting the required number of real

Thu Dec 31, 2015, 05:25 PM

Dec 2015

signatures for him to get on state ballots and leave the BSing to Trump.

The Sanders campaign has stated repeatedly they'd like to debate Hillary.

Just because O'Malley is too stupid to realize or too dishonest to reveal that debating Sanders without Hillary would allow Hillary off the hook for any further debates, doesn't mean the rest of us should fall for such nonsense.

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O’Malley: Sanders fine with 'rigged' Dem debates [View all] MADem Dec 2015 OP

The rules are that any Dem candidate who debated outside of the schedule would be barred from djean111 Dec 2015 #1

Yes. Bernie did the honorable thing. tecelote Dec 2015 #2

I got the impression that O'Malley wanted Sanders to help push Clinton MADem Dec 2015 #4

Hilarious that you call him that for following the rules. djean111 Dec 2015 #8

Call who what? MADem Dec 2015 #15

Today is 'Bernie is the status quo' which alternates with 'Bernie is not enough of a Democrat' Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #25

Well, he did agree to the DNC rules about debates. So did O'Malley. So did Clinton. MADem Dec 2015 #51

Yep. All this whining about him following the rules is beyond ridiculous. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2015 #87

I will gladly, wholeheartedly vote for Bernie Art_from_Ark Jan 2016 #137

Yup. Just a typo. I am more of a Democrat than, say, Debbie Wasserman-Schultz. djean111 Dec 2015 #90

It would have been crazy for Sanders to join O'Malley in breaking the rules. Vattel Dec 2015 #36

I think the idea was to create an atmosphere of public pressure. MADem Dec 2015 #42

Perhaps things changed once the debates started. So far the DNC debates have been Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #53

You are making many unsubstantiated claims. Vattel Dec 2015 #64

I am not making any CLAIMS. Good grief, I am having an adult discussion of these MADem Dec 2015 #65

You are upset because I used the word "claim" instead of "opinion"? Vattel Dec 2015 #71

I'm not "upset" at all. I'm a bit surprised that you are going to a confrontational and disruptive MADem Dec 2015 #72

Sorry, I confused the Times piece with another piece. Vattel Dec 2015 #80

You accused me of making "unsubstantiated claims." They weren't unsubstantiated at all. MADem Dec 2015 #81

Serious question: What makes you think the unnamed people were Sanders staffers? Vattel Dec 2015 #93

Because that's how they were SOURCED in the NYT article....! MADem Dec 2015 #97

That doesn't seem accurate. Vattel Dec 2015 #118

These people are people who met with Sanders' team in private meetings. MADem Dec 2015 #119

Maybe they are DNC people. It would be nice to know. Vattel Dec 2015 #121

I think it is true. There'd be a vociferous denial by now if it weren't. MADem Dec 2015 #124

No one was blaming Wasserman for all their woes. Vattel Dec 2015 #125

I invite you to do a DU search of the DWS name, and you'll see otherwise. MADem Dec 2015 #126

I wish I had your confidence in her, but I judge a candidate mostly by her record. Vattel Jan 2016 #136

She has done a superb job of carrying out POTUS's foreign policy vision, and advising him MADem Jan 2016 #138

Her many mistakes are in the record. No possibility of hiding that. Vattel Jan 2016 #139

Whilst Bernie's many missteps remain a deep, dark secret? MADem Jan 2016 #141

Bernie's record on most issues is much better. Vattel Jan 2016 #142

No, it isn't. MADem Jan 2016 #143

He has been on the right side of issues way more than Clinton. Vattel Jan 2016 #144

If being "on the right side of issues" means lotta talk, little walk, sure. MADem Jan 2016 #145

Well he accomplished more in the Senate than Clinton did. Vattel Jan 2016 #149

No, actually, his record is NOT "better" than Clinton's. MADem Jan 2016 #158

What did Clinton get passed into law when she was in the Senate? Vattel Jan 2016 #159

Here ya go...! MADem Jan 2016 #160

Yes, I know, nothing of significance that she sponsored became law. Vattel Jan 2016 #161

The Lily Ledbetter law was "nothing." Ooooh kay..... nt MADem Jan 2016 #162

She was a co-sponsor of that bill, not the sponsor. Vattel Jan 2016 #163

So? You do realize that not all co-sponsorships are simply "ME TOOs?" MADem Jan 2016 #164

Yeah, she had the skills necessary to support the invasion of Iraq. I am dazzled. Vattel Jan 2016 #165

It's a dead horse that's getting a lot of play in the media, though. MADem Dec 2015 #10

And I am sure that is pleasing to you, as is the spate of OPs about this right here. djean111 Dec 2015 #11

Now, now--no need to get personal. MADem Dec 2015 #16

Funny, in the last debate when O'Malley had an opportunity to join Bernie in discussing Dustlawyer Dec 2015 #12

Why do you think he's altered his approach? nt MADem Dec 2015 #17

Hard to say for sure. I would speculate that in the debate he chose to appear Dustlawyer Dec 2015 #19

Howard Dean says that they said the same thing about him. MADem Dec 2015 #20

And he supports Hillary. Dustlawyer Dec 2015 #26

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2015 #50

Welcome to DU! Dustlawyer Dec 2015 #59

He supports her now--he didn't back then. nt MADem Dec 2015 #60

It really makes me wonder just what O'Malley was trying to do here with Bernie. stillwaiting Dec 2015 #43

Suspicion PyaarRevolution Jan 2016 #135

Who the honestly care about future DNC debates w/o Sanders and MOM? NobodyHere Dec 2015 #107

I never thought Bernie supporters represented what Bernie stands for. upaloopa Dec 2015 #3

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service nc4bo Dec 2015 #6

Why are people alerting on opinions? MADem Dec 2015 #9

Maybe some opinions are too close to the truth. upaloopa Dec 2015 #14

'cause they're lazy. Cha Dec 2015 #21

Pot meet Kettle Perogie Dec 2015 #38

You have no freaking idea what you're talking about.. I don't even alert. Cha Dec 2015 #40

Just because you don't alert... tonedevil Dec 2015 #129

Like I said.. no idea what you're talking about. Cha Dec 2015 #132

Is this a joke? Doctor_J Dec 2015 #103

Hell, when you're talking about Clinton, there's no point in alerting--the eighty percent of Sanders MADem Dec 2015 #105

Ah-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha Amimnoch Dec 2015 #33

Not all Bernie supporters are bad and not all Hillary supporters are angels. Dustlawyer Dec 2015 #22

Look at your avatar. upaloopa Dec 2015 #23

When you fail to acknowledge the truth about your own candidate, and constantly attack Dustlawyer Dec 2015 #28

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2015 #70

Exactly. Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #31

You nailed it. Look at the number of times in the debate where Sanders agreed with HRC and O'Malley FSogol Dec 2015 #32

I agree. The same people always finding President Obama in the wrong treestar Dec 2015 #57

K&R! stonecutter357 Dec 2015 #5

O’Malley doesn't even know Sanders. If he did well....... stonecutter357 Dec 2015 #7

It's just "Third Way" O'Malley doing his job. Scuba Dec 2015 #13

Do go on. You're suggesting he's playing a role? nt MADem Dec 2015 #18

All things considered, especially how Hillary's poll numbers rise after each debate ... NurseJackie Dec 2015 #24

Now now, you're only citing the official, and scientific polls... the ones with established history. Amimnoch Dec 2015 #29

Hillary is losing in the most important polls CoffeeCat Dec 2015 #30

Wait, wait ... let me guess ... "Just like 2008" ?? :-D NurseJackie Dec 2015 #34

The trajectory is nearly identical to 2008 CoffeeCat Dec 2015 #37

Okay. NurseJackie Dec 2015 #39

Obama had a three point lead in IA at this point in 08. Sanders has a 13 point deficit. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #44

:-) <3 NurseJackie Dec 2015 #47

According to the latest CBS/YouGov poll CoffeeCat Dec 2015 #55

I cited aggregate polling DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #58

Aggregate polling is bunk CoffeeCat Dec 2015 #67

If you believe DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #69

I think aggregate polling is fine for national poll CoffeeCat Dec 2015 #75

The aggregate polling DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #79

I probably am cherry picking. CoffeeCat Dec 2015 #89

Your words DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #92

Apparently, that's part of the reason why Sanders doesn't want MADem Dec 2015 #45

Deflection attention to benefit ones self... Historic NY Dec 2015 #56

Well he is a politician, and Hillary excels at debates Rose Siding Dec 2015 #82

Hit the nail on the head redstateblues Dec 2015 #113

K & R SunSeeker Dec 2015 #27

While O'Malley was my second choice zalinda Dec 2015 #35

K & R.... Gloria Dec 2015 #41

As an O'Malley supporter ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #46

That IS a fair point, and is similar to the comments by Howard Dean on the subject. MADem Dec 2015 #48

Again, it would seem if one has to agree to exclusivity ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #61

That would be the sensible thing to do! nt MADem Dec 2015 #68

OMalley is sounding desperate AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #49

at this point, bernie has momentum restorefreedom Dec 2015 #52

That's not what NYT and others are saying, though. MADem Dec 2015 #54

he spoke out publicly several times calling for more debates restorefreedom Dec 2015 #63

His staff said he didn't mean it, that the debate format didn't help him. MADem Dec 2015 #66

So, Sanders can demand more debates publicly--then staff later says he does not mean it. ha hs. riversedge Dec 2015 #73

It's definitely a curious situation. MADem Dec 2015 #77

He gets his base all riled up but what must they think of him now?? For weeks he riversedge Dec 2015 #78

Yes, it does look like this is yet another gimmick R B Garr Dec 2015 #122

Bernie must love being the victim riversedge Dec 2015 #123

i am not suggesting the nyt always lies restorefreedom Dec 2015 #83

You'd think there'd be some blowback from the BS campaign if there was any "lying" in that MADem Jan 2016 #148

i think at this point bernie is focusing on campaigning restorefreedom Jan 2016 #150

I think the source was telling the simple truth--those debates are NOT his strength. MADem Jan 2016 #151

then that is a campaign decision for them restorefreedom Jan 2016 #153

MOM is toast. He didn't get enough valid signatures to get on the Ohio ballot. MADem Jan 2016 #155

he has some good positions restorefreedom Jan 2016 #156

You have a quote... tonedevil Dec 2015 #131

Obviously, that person would be fired if they spoke on the record. MADem Jan 2016 #140

Thank you for showing... tonedevil Jan 2016 #146

What, pray tell, does that even mean? MADem Jan 2016 #147

I don't know... tonedevil Jan 2016 #152

Or tazkcmo Dec 2015 #62

Well, i don't see that Sanders benefits from "rogue" debates... Adrahil Dec 2015 #74

Bawahaha MoonRiver Dec 2015 #76

Surprised you fell for this tripe. GeorgeGist Dec 2015 #84

What tripe? It appears that O'Malley is making a play to raise the debate issue. That's the topic. MADem Dec 2015 #99

Howard Dean raised the 'debate issue,' elleng Dec 2015 #102

Nooooo. O'Malley is trying to gin up support for more debates. MADem Dec 2015 #111

NO DOUBT he would like more debates, elleng Dec 2015 #112

Well, to be fair to ALCON, it's not like these candidates were unaware of the debate schedule before MADem Dec 2015 #114

So far the debates have not helped Sanders Gothmog Dec 2015 #85

I know. The only one who gets a bump is HRC... nt MADem Dec 2015 #100

Hillary supporters are fine with them too. Love the outrage Autumn Dec 2015 #86

As are the Sanders crew--it's all Happy Families, apparently, save for O'Malley. MADem Dec 2015 #98

O'Malley. Trying so hard to be relevant and Hillary supporters jumping on his Bad Bernie Autumn Dec 2015 #104

There's no "Bad Bernie Bandwagon." There's a "Gee, Bernie Let His Supporters Say One Thing, MADem Dec 2015 #106

What's interesting is what O'Malley Autumn Dec 2015 #108

So you think that O'Malley is lying? nt MADem Dec 2015 #110

Bernie and his supporters want more debates. Sanctioned debates. Autumn Dec 2015 #115

Not according to O'Malley-- or the NYT article that discusses this. MADem Dec 2015 #116

You believe O'Malley. I'm going to trust Bernie. Autumn Dec 2015 #120

Given that BS has (carefully) said very little on the subject, it's hard to know what to "trust." MADem Dec 2015 #128

Fail. PowerToThePeople Dec 2015 #88

Talk to O'Malley about that. This is his POV. nt MADem Dec 2015 #96

O'Malley fine with breaking party rules. Sanders plays by rules. Live and Learn Dec 2015 #91

Did you even click the link? It's not "MY" OP title. nt MADem Dec 2015 #95

O'Malley's last stand Rosa Luxemburg Dec 2015 #94

Probably. The only question is, does he drop out after IA, or does he MADem Dec 2015 #117

Thanks for posting this Doctor_J Dec 2015 #101

Go right ahead. Not sure why you think you're "punishing" me. MADem Dec 2015 #109

Your post is a HOOT. riversedge Dec 2015 #133

I think O'Malley needs to focus on getting the required number of real Jarqui Dec 2015 #127

And even as he said this, O'Malley knew what was coming senz Dec 2015 #130

He wasn't making any friends at the last debate. Not sure he's looking at any "cabinet position" MADem Dec 2015 #134

Sanders isnt really trying to win. mr_liberal Jan 2016 #154

I think you're right on that score. MADem Jan 2016 #157