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86. Hillary supporters are fine with them too. Love the outrage

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O’Malley: Sanders fine with 'rigged' Dem debates [View all] MADem Dec 2015 OP

The rules are that any Dem candidate who debated outside of the schedule would be barred from djean111 Dec 2015 #1

Yes. Bernie did the honorable thing. tecelote Dec 2015 #2

I got the impression that O'Malley wanted Sanders to help push Clinton MADem Dec 2015 #4

Hilarious that you call him that for following the rules. djean111 Dec 2015 #8

Call who what? MADem Dec 2015 #15

Today is 'Bernie is the status quo' which alternates with 'Bernie is not enough of a Democrat' Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #25

Well, he did agree to the DNC rules about debates. So did O'Malley. So did Clinton. MADem Dec 2015 #51

Yep. All this whining about him following the rules is beyond ridiculous. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2015 #87

I will gladly, wholeheartedly vote for Bernie Art_from_Ark Jan 2016 #137

Yup. Just a typo. I am more of a Democrat than, say, Debbie Wasserman-Schultz. djean111 Dec 2015 #90

It would have been crazy for Sanders to join O'Malley in breaking the rules. Vattel Dec 2015 #36

I think the idea was to create an atmosphere of public pressure. MADem Dec 2015 #42

Perhaps things changed once the debates started. So far the DNC debates have been Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #53

You are making many unsubstantiated claims. Vattel Dec 2015 #64

I am not making any CLAIMS. Good grief, I am having an adult discussion of these MADem Dec 2015 #65

You are upset because I used the word "claim" instead of "opinion"? Vattel Dec 2015 #71

I'm not "upset" at all. I'm a bit surprised that you are going to a confrontational and disruptive MADem Dec 2015 #72

Sorry, I confused the Times piece with another piece. Vattel Dec 2015 #80

You accused me of making "unsubstantiated claims." They weren't unsubstantiated at all. MADem Dec 2015 #81

Serious question: What makes you think the unnamed people were Sanders staffers? Vattel Dec 2015 #93

Because that's how they were SOURCED in the NYT article....! MADem Dec 2015 #97

That doesn't seem accurate. Vattel Dec 2015 #118

These people are people who met with Sanders' team in private meetings. MADem Dec 2015 #119

Maybe they are DNC people. It would be nice to know. Vattel Dec 2015 #121

I think it is true. There'd be a vociferous denial by now if it weren't. MADem Dec 2015 #124

No one was blaming Wasserman for all their woes. Vattel Dec 2015 #125

I invite you to do a DU search of the DWS name, and you'll see otherwise. MADem Dec 2015 #126

I wish I had your confidence in her, but I judge a candidate mostly by her record. Vattel Jan 2016 #136

She has done a superb job of carrying out POTUS's foreign policy vision, and advising him MADem Jan 2016 #138

Her many mistakes are in the record. No possibility of hiding that. Vattel Jan 2016 #139

Whilst Bernie's many missteps remain a deep, dark secret? MADem Jan 2016 #141

Bernie's record on most issues is much better. Vattel Jan 2016 #142

No, it isn't. MADem Jan 2016 #143

He has been on the right side of issues way more than Clinton. Vattel Jan 2016 #144

If being "on the right side of issues" means lotta talk, little walk, sure. MADem Jan 2016 #145

Well he accomplished more in the Senate than Clinton did. Vattel Jan 2016 #149

No, actually, his record is NOT "better" than Clinton's. MADem Jan 2016 #158

What did Clinton get passed into law when she was in the Senate? Vattel Jan 2016 #159

Here ya go...! MADem Jan 2016 #160

Yes, I know, nothing of significance that she sponsored became law. Vattel Jan 2016 #161

The Lily Ledbetter law was "nothing." Ooooh kay..... nt MADem Jan 2016 #162

She was a co-sponsor of that bill, not the sponsor. Vattel Jan 2016 #163

So? You do realize that not all co-sponsorships are simply "ME TOOs?" MADem Jan 2016 #164

Yeah, she had the skills necessary to support the invasion of Iraq. I am dazzled. Vattel Jan 2016 #165

It's a dead horse that's getting a lot of play in the media, though. MADem Dec 2015 #10

And I am sure that is pleasing to you, as is the spate of OPs about this right here. djean111 Dec 2015 #11

Now, now--no need to get personal. MADem Dec 2015 #16

Funny, in the last debate when O'Malley had an opportunity to join Bernie in discussing Dustlawyer Dec 2015 #12

Why do you think he's altered his approach? nt MADem Dec 2015 #17

Hard to say for sure. I would speculate that in the debate he chose to appear Dustlawyer Dec 2015 #19

Howard Dean says that they said the same thing about him. MADem Dec 2015 #20

And he supports Hillary. Dustlawyer Dec 2015 #26

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2015 #50

Welcome to DU! Dustlawyer Dec 2015 #59

He supports her now--he didn't back then. nt MADem Dec 2015 #60

It really makes me wonder just what O'Malley was trying to do here with Bernie. stillwaiting Dec 2015 #43

Suspicion PyaarRevolution Jan 2016 #135

Who the honestly care about future DNC debates w/o Sanders and MOM? NobodyHere Dec 2015 #107

I never thought Bernie supporters represented what Bernie stands for. upaloopa Dec 2015 #3

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service nc4bo Dec 2015 #6

Why are people alerting on opinions? MADem Dec 2015 #9

Maybe some opinions are too close to the truth. upaloopa Dec 2015 #14

'cause they're lazy. Cha Dec 2015 #21

Pot meet Kettle Perogie Dec 2015 #38

You have no freaking idea what you're talking about.. I don't even alert. Cha Dec 2015 #40

Just because you don't alert... tonedevil Dec 2015 #129

Like I said.. no idea what you're talking about. Cha Dec 2015 #132

Is this a joke? Doctor_J Dec 2015 #103

Hell, when you're talking about Clinton, there's no point in alerting--the eighty percent of Sanders MADem Dec 2015 #105

Ah-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha Amimnoch Dec 2015 #33

Not all Bernie supporters are bad and not all Hillary supporters are angels. Dustlawyer Dec 2015 #22

Look at your avatar. upaloopa Dec 2015 #23

When you fail to acknowledge the truth about your own candidate, and constantly attack Dustlawyer Dec 2015 #28

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2015 #70

Exactly. Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #31

You nailed it. Look at the number of times in the debate where Sanders agreed with HRC and O'Malley FSogol Dec 2015 #32

I agree. The same people always finding President Obama in the wrong treestar Dec 2015 #57

K&R! stonecutter357 Dec 2015 #5

O’Malley doesn't even know Sanders. If he did well....... stonecutter357 Dec 2015 #7

It's just "Third Way" O'Malley doing his job. Scuba Dec 2015 #13

Do go on. You're suggesting he's playing a role? nt MADem Dec 2015 #18

All things considered, especially how Hillary's poll numbers rise after each debate ... NurseJackie Dec 2015 #24

Now now, you're only citing the official, and scientific polls... the ones with established history. Amimnoch Dec 2015 #29

Hillary is losing in the most important polls CoffeeCat Dec 2015 #30

Wait, wait ... let me guess ... "Just like 2008" ?? :-D NurseJackie Dec 2015 #34

The trajectory is nearly identical to 2008 CoffeeCat Dec 2015 #37

Okay. NurseJackie Dec 2015 #39

Obama had a three point lead in IA at this point in 08. Sanders has a 13 point deficit. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #44

:-) <3 NurseJackie Dec 2015 #47

According to the latest CBS/YouGov poll CoffeeCat Dec 2015 #55

I cited aggregate polling DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #58

Aggregate polling is bunk CoffeeCat Dec 2015 #67

If you believe DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #69

I think aggregate polling is fine for national poll CoffeeCat Dec 2015 #75

The aggregate polling DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #79

I probably am cherry picking. CoffeeCat Dec 2015 #89

Your words DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #92

Apparently, that's part of the reason why Sanders doesn't want MADem Dec 2015 #45

Deflection attention to benefit ones self... Historic NY Dec 2015 #56

Well he is a politician, and Hillary excels at debates Rose Siding Dec 2015 #82

Hit the nail on the head redstateblues Dec 2015 #113

K & R SunSeeker Dec 2015 #27

While O'Malley was my second choice zalinda Dec 2015 #35

K & R.... Gloria Dec 2015 #41

As an O'Malley supporter ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #46

That IS a fair point, and is similar to the comments by Howard Dean on the subject. MADem Dec 2015 #48

Again, it would seem if one has to agree to exclusivity ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #61

That would be the sensible thing to do! nt MADem Dec 2015 #68

OMalley is sounding desperate AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #49

at this point, bernie has momentum restorefreedom Dec 2015 #52

That's not what NYT and others are saying, though. MADem Dec 2015 #54

he spoke out publicly several times calling for more debates restorefreedom Dec 2015 #63

His staff said he didn't mean it, that the debate format didn't help him. MADem Dec 2015 #66

So, Sanders can demand more debates publicly--then staff later says he does not mean it. ha hs. riversedge Dec 2015 #73

It's definitely a curious situation. MADem Dec 2015 #77

He gets his base all riled up but what must they think of him now?? For weeks he riversedge Dec 2015 #78

Yes, it does look like this is yet another gimmick R B Garr Dec 2015 #122

Bernie must love being the victim riversedge Dec 2015 #123

i am not suggesting the nyt always lies restorefreedom Dec 2015 #83

You'd think there'd be some blowback from the BS campaign if there was any "lying" in that MADem Jan 2016 #148

i think at this point bernie is focusing on campaigning restorefreedom Jan 2016 #150

I think the source was telling the simple truth--those debates are NOT his strength. MADem Jan 2016 #151

then that is a campaign decision for them restorefreedom Jan 2016 #153

MOM is toast. He didn't get enough valid signatures to get on the Ohio ballot. MADem Jan 2016 #155

he has some good positions restorefreedom Jan 2016 #156

You have a quote... tonedevil Dec 2015 #131

Obviously, that person would be fired if they spoke on the record. MADem Jan 2016 #140

Thank you for showing... tonedevil Jan 2016 #146

What, pray tell, does that even mean? MADem Jan 2016 #147

I don't know... tonedevil Jan 2016 #152

Or tazkcmo Dec 2015 #62

Well, i don't see that Sanders benefits from "rogue" debates... Adrahil Dec 2015 #74

Bawahaha MoonRiver Dec 2015 #76

Surprised you fell for this tripe. GeorgeGist Dec 2015 #84

What tripe? It appears that O'Malley is making a play to raise the debate issue. That's the topic. MADem Dec 2015 #99

Howard Dean raised the 'debate issue,' elleng Dec 2015 #102

Nooooo. O'Malley is trying to gin up support for more debates. MADem Dec 2015 #111

NO DOUBT he would like more debates, elleng Dec 2015 #112

Well, to be fair to ALCON, it's not like these candidates were unaware of the debate schedule before MADem Dec 2015 #114

So far the debates have not helped Sanders Gothmog Dec 2015 #85

I know. The only one who gets a bump is HRC... nt MADem Dec 2015 #100

Hillary supporters are fine with them too. Love the outrage Autumn Dec 2015 #86

As are the Sanders crew--it's all Happy Families, apparently, save for O'Malley. MADem Dec 2015 #98

O'Malley. Trying so hard to be relevant and Hillary supporters jumping on his Bad Bernie Autumn Dec 2015 #104

There's no "Bad Bernie Bandwagon." There's a "Gee, Bernie Let His Supporters Say One Thing, MADem Dec 2015 #106

What's interesting is what O'Malley Autumn Dec 2015 #108

So you think that O'Malley is lying? nt MADem Dec 2015 #110

Bernie and his supporters want more debates. Sanctioned debates. Autumn Dec 2015 #115

Not according to O'Malley-- or the NYT article that discusses this. MADem Dec 2015 #116

You believe O'Malley. I'm going to trust Bernie. Autumn Dec 2015 #120

Given that BS has (carefully) said very little on the subject, it's hard to know what to "trust." MADem Dec 2015 #128

Fail. PowerToThePeople Dec 2015 #88

Talk to O'Malley about that. This is his POV. nt MADem Dec 2015 #96

O'Malley fine with breaking party rules. Sanders plays by rules. Live and Learn Dec 2015 #91

Did you even click the link? It's not "MY" OP title. nt MADem Dec 2015 #95

O'Malley's last stand Rosa Luxemburg Dec 2015 #94

Probably. The only question is, does he drop out after IA, or does he MADem Dec 2015 #117

Thanks for posting this Doctor_J Dec 2015 #101

Go right ahead. Not sure why you think you're "punishing" me. MADem Dec 2015 #109

Your post is a HOOT. riversedge Dec 2015 #133

I think O'Malley needs to focus on getting the required number of real Jarqui Dec 2015 #127

And even as he said this, O'Malley knew what was coming senz Dec 2015 #130

He wasn't making any friends at the last debate. Not sure he's looking at any "cabinet position" MADem Dec 2015 #134

Sanders isnt really trying to win. mr_liberal Jan 2016 #154

I think you're right on that score. MADem Jan 2016 #157