2016 Postmortem

Jarqui

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8. Video of those remarks to Code Pink on March 6, 2003

Sun Dec 27, 2015, 08:38 AM

Dec 2015

Didn't find a full screen version - it's been removed from Youtube. Hillary's quoted remarks start at 6:37

One other:
NY Times, Feb 18, 2007: Clinton Gives War Critics New Answer on ’02 Vote
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/18/us/politics/18clinton.html?pagewanted=print&_r=0

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Yet antiwar anger has festered, and yesterday morning Mrs. Clinton rolled out a new response to those demanding contrition: She said she was willing to lose support from voters rather than make an apology she did not believe in.

“If the most important thing to any of you is choosing someone who did not cast that vote or has said his vote was a mistake, then there are others to choose from,” Mrs. Clinton told an audience in Dover, N.H., in a veiled reference to two rivals for the nomination, Senator Barack Obama of Illinois and former Senator John Edwards of North Carolina.

Her decision not to apologize is regarded so seriously within her campaign that some advisers believe it will be remembered as a turning point in the race: either ultimately galvanizing voters against her (if she loses the nomination), or highlighting her resolve and her willingness to buck Democratic conventional wisdom (if she wins).

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Hillary Clinton did not merely vote to authorize the invasion of Iraq. [View all] Vattel Dec 2015 OP

It should be noted too that when Bernie voted for the ILA we had a Democratic president. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #1

+1 Thanks! tecelote Dec 2015 #3

"Before we bring Democracy to other countries, maybe we should restore it here" exactly peacebird Dec 2015 #4

She also lied about Saddam harboring Al Qaeda to get us into the war. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #10

Its this line that I just can't get past.... Docreed2003 Dec 2015 #103

I remember the lead up to the vote, and the aftermath. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #109

I'm right there with you... Docreed2003 Dec 2015 #112

I called my dad and we just watched the coverage in silence on the phone. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #113

So sad... Docreed2003 Dec 2015 #115

Shock and awe. What a shameful legacy. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #117

Regime Change in Iraq, Iran, and Syria. Who's next? EndElectoral Dec 2015 #19

Next Old Codger Dec 2015 #21

Don't forget Libya. bvar22 Dec 2015 #40

+1,000,000 nt. polly7 Dec 2015 #49

+1 Joe Shlabotnik Dec 2015 #84

Mission Accomplished!!! bvar22 Dec 2015 #95

Praise Bernie! Buzz Clik Dec 2015 #51

He didn't vote to send my brother to Ramadi so yes, he does deserve thanks. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #55

Just one brother? And conscripted to serve …. oh, wait. He volunteered. Buzz Clik Dec 2015 #63

So because the dead soldiers volunteered they deserved to get sent to die for oil? beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #65

And off we go to la-la land. You're going by yourself. Buzz Clik Dec 2015 #66

Should I have forgiven her because only one of my brothers was sent to that hellhole? beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #75

LOL! Buzz Clik Dec 2015 #76

The thought of maimed and dead soldiers is entertaining for some I guess. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #78

Yep. That is EXACTLY the take home message... Buzz Clik Dec 2015 #83

That's how you come across, if you don't like it then stop. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #86

The war sucked and was misguided and totally wrong Buzz Clik Dec 2015 #88

On that we agree. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #89

I have two children that served ismnotwasm Dec 2015 #98

+1 Buzz Clik Dec 2015 #99

Thanks for making it real. okasha Dec 2015 #100

Thank you for sharing. JunkyardAngel83 Dec 2015 #119

I am so sorry. yardwork Dec 2015 #120

Don't you love that talking point about military volunteers? neverforget Dec 2015 #74

And I should be grateful that only one of my brothers went. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #77

Yeah well it was "just a vote" as has been told over and over here. neverforget Dec 2015 #82

I've seen that talking point often, just not here. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #87

Tell your brother thanks... Docreed2003 Dec 2015 #110

I will. And thank you. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #111

Thank you... Docreed2003 Dec 2015 #114

I agree, with everything. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #116

I rarely disagree with you BMUS, but here I do. Vattel Dec 2015 #79

True, Bernie didn't vote for war either time. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #81

Bill IS responsible for killing 1/2 MILLION innocent Iraqi Children. bvar22 Dec 2015 #96

Those pesky facts. Scuba Dec 2015 #2

K&R! peacebird Dec 2015 #5

Thanks for posting on the ILA bill, indeed Sanders voted yes on this bill. Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #6

Of course! He should have known the Republicans would install Bush as president. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #7

+1 daleanime Dec 2015 #13

+2 n/t bvf Dec 2015 #23

:>)) pangaia Dec 2015 #57

Did you read the part about the ILA explicitly saying that it was not to be construed as Vattel Dec 2015 #14

AUMF was authorized shortly after 9/11, check the votes. Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #15

Nice deflection; subject was the ILA vote. truebluegreen Dec 2015 #22

Nice deflection, huh, I was responding to a post which Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #25

Nnnno, you were the only one to bring up the AUMF Scootaloo Dec 2015 #69

2001 AUMF was not related to Iraq Martin Eden Dec 2015 #32

I was responding to another post which was talking about AUMF. Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #33

No, you were responding to a post about the ILA Martin Eden Dec 2015 #34

Let me give you the post I was responding to, Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #35

There was nothing in that post about the AUMF. That was one sentence about the ILA. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #38

weasel words nt grasswire Dec 2015 #39

I read that post immediately before I replied to you Martin Eden Dec 2015 #45

It was written in the post #14, did you read that post? Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #46

Yeah, me thinks so ejbr Dec 2015 #47

The AUMF was NOT cited in post #14 Martin Eden Dec 2015 #50

Was there anything about authorization of military force? Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #56

There was nothing about the actual AUMF votes Martin Eden Dec 2015 #60

Why are you badgering me? I dont appreciate your attacks on me either. Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #64

Why do you post in a political discussion forum ... Martin Eden Dec 2015 #68

because you see no difference Perogie Dec 2015 #92

Sanders backed off of his regime change statement, he has voted for regime change also, Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #94

Video of those remarks to Code Pink on March 6, 2003 Jarqui Dec 2015 #8

Hillary was fully on board with one of the biggest foreign policy blunders in U.S. history. Broward Dec 2015 #9

K and R (nt) bigwillq Dec 2015 #11

she "carefully review(ed) the information and intelligence (she) had available" Warren Stupidity Dec 2015 #12

Yellowcake from Niger? Anodized aluminum tubes? bvf Dec 2015 #24

Funny thing is...and not in a haha way Docreed2003 Dec 2015 #108

She is pretty much of a poster girl for neoconservatism Doctor_J Dec 2015 #16

Good luck trying get much honesty out of that crowd. n/t 99Forever Dec 2015 #17

It's a dealbreaker. She is a hawk who is a strong proponent of military regime change. No thanks. EndElectoral Dec 2015 #18

And yet, Bernie Sanders voted for more war than she has. BlueCaliDem Dec 2015 #61

Interventionism of the left has become mostly about neoliberal imperialism HereSince1628 Dec 2015 #20

If she wins, expect more of the same. Smarmie Doofus Dec 2015 #26

Her vote was either monumentally stupid or an act of political expediency. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2015 #27

Option 3: Martin Eden Dec 2015 #31

In one way or another, yes. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2015 #43

Any way you slice it, a vote for the IWR is a disqualifier in my book Martin Eden Dec 2015 #52

Me too. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2015 #58

This Huff Post link on her hawkish stances pre-Sec. of State are quite revealing EndElectoral Dec 2015 #28

K & R... WE Must Take Back OUR Country From "The Corporation!" Bernie Is Our Beacon CorporatistNation Dec 2015 #29

"When Secretary Clinton was SOS, she took very little action to bring about peace." - Jimmy Carter EndElectoral Dec 2015 #30

Don't bring up Jimmy Carter ejbr Dec 2015 #48

at least she gives some reasons there treestar Dec 2015 #36

Thanks to Hillary & her friends in the Republican Party, bvar22 Dec 2015 #37

i read recently that 60 million people in the mid east are displaced because of the wars questionseverything Dec 2015 #42

It's important to note Babel_17 Dec 2015 #41

No it pretty much was a blank check. Vattel Dec 2015 #44

If you drill down into it, I agree that the authorization is there Babel_17 Dec 2015 #53

That was in the AUMF Against Terrorists, Vattel. It's right there in the language. And Bernie BlueCaliDem Dec 2015 #62

I am afraid there is no way to plausibly construe the 2001 AUMF as authorizing the invasion of Iraq. Vattel Dec 2015 #71

It's in the language! BlueCaliDem Dec 2015 #91

Pure nonsense. Vattel Dec 2015 #93

Pure hyperbole. BlueCaliDem Dec 2015 #97

Why do you continue to ignore the point about ILA that I made in the OP? Vattel Dec 2015 #118

No one is pretending her vote was the sole reason we went. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #80

Whew! I thought you were going to tell us ... Buzz Clik Dec 2015 #54

I think it's digging up old graves to keep harping on the Iraq war vote. napi21 Dec 2015 #59

They're testing the waters for introducing Juanita Broderick again. Buzz Clik Dec 2015 #67

Hillary supporters are claiming Bernie is responsible for the Iraq war. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #72

I'm pretty sure war criminals Bush and cheney are underthematrix Dec 2015 #101

Along with anyone who voted for and promoted it. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #102

The Congress was lied to, which has been established. underthematrix Dec 2015 #106

So now it's Bernie's fault because he couldn't convice enough people to vote against it? beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #107

How is the iraqi invasion Bernie's fault? That doesn't make any sense underthematrix Dec 2015 #121

What the candidates have done in the past forms their record. Vattel Dec 2015 #73

Hillary is a hawk... rsexaminer Dec 2015 #70

she tacitly approved her husband's sanctions policies that starved half a million children... mike_c Dec 2015 #85

Lest we forget, HRC is the leading neocon in the Democratic Party. That is why she is leveymg Dec 2015 #90

And Bernie voted to pay for it, on the very same day: ucrdem Dec 2015 #104

no she didn't the entire republican party did mgmaggiemg Dec 2015 #105