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cprise

(8,445 posts)
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 10:11 PM Dec 2015

No surprise: Tech sites aren't buying DNC hysteria on breech [View all]

I invite you to read and grok the overall reasoning of the commentary:
http://politics.slashdot.org/story/15/12/18/1536245/bernie-sanders-campaign-blocked-from-dnc-voter-info-after-improper-access#comments

Here is how the incident hit the top stories at networkworld.com:
http://www.networkworld.com/article/3017052/security/bernie-sanders-campaign-suspended-dnc-staffer-fired-ngp-van.html



Technologists older than, say, 35 yrs know this pattern well:

1. Person reports vulnerability to company
2. Company ignores report, sweeping it under the rug
3. Person exploits vulnerability, using proof to embarrass company into action
4. Company calls police on person, accuses them of theft

Number 4 very rarely happens anymore, for good reason: IT firms have an unfortunate record of ignoring user-reported vulnerabilities, and the market will eventually turn against companies who try to prosecute or otherwise smear people who hack to inform.

And no, the company ignoring the problem are not strictly entitled to advance notice of the breech/exploit. What counts is that the hacker has a record of reporting vulnerabilities, and did not use the data they gathered.

Like it or not, Clinton fans, that is the current established protocol in IT.

What's clear is that the DNC wasted not a minute in crying Wolf! to the Washington Post. They saw the incident as an instant throw them under the bus opportunity, and are showing (or feigning) an ignorance of the way technology works in this day and age. Both the DNC and the IT vendor are run by veterans of Clinton's mudslinging 2008 campaign; They are not inclined to heed *anything* a Sanders staffer says or does unless they can use it against the Sanders campaign.

What's not so clear but bears pointing out --- Having your own campaign's data sitting exposed is absolutely intolerable. Simply exploiting the situation to gain data from the opposing campaign STILL leaves your data exposed! IOW, what the DNC is charging would be the definition of insanity as it makes zero sense.

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It's all contrived bullshit by Hill Shill DWS. morningfog Dec 2015 #1
Biingo! MissDeeds Dec 2015 #9
I spell "shill" like this: $Hill. Divernan Dec 2015 #26
lol ... thanks for the spelling lesson ;-) Hiraeth Dec 2015 #33
Love it! Plucketeer Dec 2015 #99
+10 artislife Dec 2015 #105
Yeah, she stole the data and gave it to the Sanders campaign. George II Dec 2015 #38
No data was stolen. This is bullshit. morningfog Dec 2015 #48
That is total BlueMTexpat Dec 2015 #70
Shame on Debbie wasserman rove. morningfog Dec 2015 #75
Did you see the activity logs published by Time? Check it out - they took data, LOTS of it. George II Dec 2015 #83
Complete crap CSStrowbridge Dec 2015 #116
LOGIC! THE OP IS BLINDING ME WITH SCIENCE! :D roguevalley Dec 2015 #69
I am an IT officer for a major financial firm that white labels partner-client data. This is serious! TheBlackAdder Dec 2015 #85
Bingo. nt SusanCalvin Dec 2015 #88
I wonder if you would immediately terminate the contract? MyNameGoesHere Dec 2015 #101
Any business that would not have a contingent BR plan in place, isn't trustworthy. TheBlackAdder Dec 2015 #103
Uh huh. MyNameGoesHere Dec 2015 #115
Really, is tech going to sink h? artislife Dec 2015 #107
you missunderstand me, blackadder. I am saluting you. I think I better roguevalley Dec 2015 #113
DWS is detrimental to the democratic party! She needs to be replaced! n/t RKP5637 Dec 2015 #77
All she wants is a Hillary cabinet spot. morningfog Dec 2015 #80
It still doesn't explain why staffers accessed specific data about early voting states. Metric System Dec 2015 #2
Proof. No one would believe that Bernie staffers could access it without proof. And when you get the LiberalArkie Dec 2015 #6
His use of the '_bernie' tag is an excellent point, plus cprise Dec 2015 #14
Found this on /. LiberalArkie Dec 2015 #19
And that site has a ton of Clinton supporters cprise Dec 2015 #24
The Sanders guy didn't "passively browse", he searched for early state voter data........ George II Dec 2015 #40
Will an Independant audit be able to discover conclusively whether or not the Clinton Campaign Dustlawyer Dec 2015 #45
Of course not. We all know hill actually stole data. morningfog Dec 2015 #50
I think the lawsuit will find that out notadmblnd Dec 2015 #56
He didn't even "browse through a firewall," SusanCalvin Dec 2015 #91
Exactly. It was deliberately blatant, not sneaky at all. n/t arcane1 Dec 2015 #21
BINGO!!! nt SusanCalvin Dec 2015 #89
Because that's where you would most readily find specialized cprise Dec 2015 #10
Thank you. SusanCalvin Dec 2015 #92
Duh-uh! Read Item #3 in the OP's post! Divernan Dec 2015 #29
exactly Champion Jack Dec 2015 #52
Maybe t.hey just querried for information in general, and some of it was Hillary's JDPriestly Dec 2015 #62
The specificity of the searches is damning. joshcryer Dec 2015 #3
The alternative is generating queries that don't find any Clinton-specific data cprise Dec 2015 #20
And yet they added "bernie" to all the user names so everyone would know who it was. arcane1 Dec 2015 #22
I see no evidence they did. joshcryer Dec 2015 #27
A baseless assertion. arcane1 Dec 2015 #30
Appending _something is extremely common in SQL. joshcryer Dec 2015 #31
Exactly n/t arcane1 Dec 2015 #34
So why was he fired? RandySF Dec 2015 #4
Common in IT. "Made the news" Someone has to fall on the sword. SH@T happens. LiberalArkie Dec 2015 #7
I don't think he should have been n/t DVRacer Dec 2015 #8
1. He acted without consent from management. cprise Dec 2015 #11
Bingo. nt SusanCalvin Dec 2015 #93
Excellent post. Thank you for shedding real light on this sad situation. nt 99th_Monkey Dec 2015 #5
Yeah ok. Like anyone would risk #4 for #3 JaneyVee Dec 2015 #12
Its done all the time. White hat hacking is an accepted part of IT. eom cprise Dec 2015 #16
Bingo. 99Forever Dec 2015 #13
Here is a good post from slashdot LiberalArkie Dec 2015 #15
This should be its own OP. n/t winter is coming Dec 2015 #18
Yes, it should be mindwalker_i Dec 2015 #25
"We have no information at all on whether anybody from the Clinton side was doing the same thing" arcane1 Dec 2015 #23
HRC specialties:hatchet jobs& knee-capping, ie/ Bimbo Eruption Squad. Divernan Dec 2015 #32
Bimbo Eruption Squad LOL navarth Dec 2015 #87
Google it - just not on a full stomach! Divernan Dec 2015 #106
interesting! Totally different meaning navarth Dec 2015 #109
Post removed Post removed Dec 2015 #35
They were ready like clockwork. Even here there were cries of "crimes" within minutes. arcane1 Dec 2015 #17
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Dec 2015 #28
K&R valerief Dec 2015 #36
Looks like Bernie will be getting another donation from me TxDemChem Dec 2015 #37
Me too. Enthusiast Dec 2015 #74
K & R. Dont call me Shirley Dec 2015 #39
Kick and R BeanMusical Dec 2015 #41
KICK Segami Dec 2015 #42
This is how the Turd Way rolls folks. jalan48 Dec 2015 #43
Precisely. Enthusiast Dec 2015 #76
This message was self-deleted by its author billhicks76 Dec 2015 #44
"Most already hated her." Yeah, except the vast majority who would either pnwmom Dec 2015 #47
Keep in mind you're talking to somebody who is blaming this breach on Clinton mythology Dec 2015 #51
The Hypocrisy Is Palpable billhicks76 Dec 2015 #54
If They Did They Don't Anymore billhicks76 Dec 2015 #58
Dream on. nt pnwmom Dec 2015 #59
I Have A Dream billhicks76 Dec 2015 #61
Look Who's Backing Down billhicks76 Dec 2015 #64
I heard they backed down, SusanCalvin Dec 2015 #95
Post removed Post removed Dec 2015 #46
LOL " squirrel !!! " cprise Dec 2015 #63
"MSM do not define what is acceptable practice in technology." SusanCalvin Dec 2015 #96
They just never know when to stop, this time I think they went too far. Dustlawyer Dec 2015 #49
Yeah, I think the timing may have blown up in DWS's face... nt SusanCalvin Dec 2015 #97
k & r chervilant Dec 2015 #53
...and all the Hillsters in unison claiming "if you leave your door open..." aspirant Dec 2015 #67
then it's likely that your neighbours will wander in to see if you've had a heart attack Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2015 #102
So, I'm wondering passiveporcupine Dec 2015 #55
The Bernie campaign knee-capped themselves murielm99 Dec 2015 #57
They found a hole the Clinton campaign might have been using all along. They reported it. nt Electric Monk Dec 2015 #65
Prove that Clinton did it. murielm99 Dec 2015 #66
Why do you know the Sander's campaign did? concreteblue Dec 2015 #104
Because they know that HRC does not have a lock on the nomination and Hepburn Dec 2015 #60
She isn't even close to a lock. Enthusiast Dec 2015 #78
Send Bernie another donation, and let the DNC know we have Bernie's back! ViseGrip Dec 2015 #68
Just a minor point ... BlueMTexpat Dec 2015 #71
K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Dec 2015 #72
As a programmer who had to debug ccinamon Dec 2015 #73
Thanks for this informative post. mnhtnbb Dec 2015 #79
If the Bernie people REALLY wanted to STEAL the data RoccoR5955 Dec 2015 #81
This is the case where Debbie, The Chairwoman, wants to make Bernie look bad, since she rladdi Dec 2015 #82
As time goes by, I am distrusting Clinton more and more each day. Where was her campaign DhhD Dec 2015 #84
LOL. I can't believe that Bernie fans can even convince themselves of this nonsense. DanTex Dec 2015 #86
K/R UglyGreed Dec 2015 #90
5. Profit! Babel_17 Dec 2015 #94
Sending this back to the TOP! l.o.o.s.e.e-2 Dec 2015 #98
Not to mention the fact that it was Clinton cronies who caused the breach to begin with. nt mhatrw Dec 2015 #100
And a kick for this, plus another interesting link from The Register GoneOffShore Dec 2015 #108
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #110
Makes our party's higher ups look incompetent handling sensitive data Babel_17 Dec 2015 #111
This is not how computers work... grendelsd Dec 2015 #112
Oh, they're just silicon valley weenies who dont want to "cooperate" on encryption & web censorship. Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #114
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