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2016 Postmortem

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pinebox

(5,761 posts)
Mon Nov 2, 2015, 03:17 PM Nov 2015

Bernie Sanders Starts to Name Names to Set Himself Apart From Hillary Clinton [View all]

Well here we go! I think many of us saw this coming. Go get her Bernie!

Bernie Sanders Starts to Name Names to Set Himself Apart From Hillary Clinton
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bernie-sanders-starts-names-set-hillary-clinton/story?id=34911867

“Let me tell you a word about Social Security. I understand Secretary Clinton was here the other day. I think she and I have a strong disagreement on this,” he began, going on to talk about his proposal for maintaining and expanding Social Security by “scrapping the cap” on taxable income. By comparison, Clinton has only said she would consider such an idea.

For months, unless specifically asked about his primary opponent, Sanders did not mention Clinton while campaigning. Her name only came up in passing during Sanders’ stump speech. “This campaign is not about Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton. ... This campaign is about you,” he often said.

That all changed with a pivotal night for Sanders at Iowa Democratic Party’s famed Jefferson Jackson Dinner last week. At the event, Sanders delivered his most cutting critique of Clinton to date, albeit without naming her name. Rather, he ticked through a series of past, key political moments when the two of them differed -- from the Iraq War to the signing of the Defense of Marriage Act -- in order to argue that he was the true progressive. In the days immediately following the dinner, he told reporters it was important to show voters the differences between himself and Clinton.

According to Sanders’s senior staff, they had begun a second phase of their campaign: the “persuasion” phase. Instead of simply rallying his core supporters and boosting his name recognition, Sanders would actively seek to win over undecided Democratic and independent voters, by precisely articulating a contrast with Hillary Clinton.

More at http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bernie-sanders-starts-names-set-hillary-clinton/story?id=34911867
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Did the second phase begin with determining she would be a good VP? Renew Deal Nov 2015 #1
VP? Poeradley Nov 2015 #12
She belongs wherever she damn well pleases. JaneyVee Nov 2015 #19
Nope, she belongs where the voters put her. Jester Messiah Nov 2015 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author JTFrog Nov 2015 #33
Amen Brother! Phlem Nov 2015 #67
You're going with that? bvf Nov 2015 #38
When politics becomes American Idol. L0oniX Nov 2015 #45
Unbelievable, isn't it? bvf Nov 2015 #54
I always thought it was more like a A Simple Game Nov 2015 #58
Yeah. BeanMusical Nov 2015 #103
There is an appropriate accessory for them Beast Boy Nov 2015 #60
Bernie???? sheshe2 Nov 2015 #80
Sounded more to me like entitlement/arrogance, but pihtayto, pihtahto. merrily Nov 2015 #112
There's no shortage of terms to describe bvf Nov 2015 #128
"damn" is not too far way. I guess to some people she is a g0d. L0oniX Nov 2015 #44
I can't take your Hillary 840high Nov 2015 #47
Hopefully she damn well pleases to take her humanitarian work to Libya or Iraq Scootaloo Nov 2015 #55
After she helped destroy them. n/t ozone_man Nov 2015 #65
She belongs wherever powerful people damn well please. BeanMusical Nov 2015 #102
Where ever the oligarcy wants her. L0oniX Nov 2015 #107
Actually, she doesn't. Neither do you. Neither do I. No one belongs where they are not welcome. merrily Nov 2015 #111
LOL-their products are the closet she comes to poor people. jalan48 Nov 2015 #20
Well, done sir or madam! Well done! GoneOffShore Nov 2015 #24
Here ya go... robbob Nov 2015 #86
^^^ L0oniX Nov 2015 #108
Actually, Bernie said that the campaign staffer who said that spoke "inappropriately." 1monster Nov 2015 #25
The staffer was joking, but I can see why Bernie said that. merrily Nov 2015 #113
Some Suspect That Was Charitable Comment - Need To Let HRC Down Easy cantbeserious Nov 2015 #34
You know that was joking, right? merrily Nov 2015 #110
Good. 99Forever Nov 2015 #2
Surely you mean "herstory." Jester Messiah Nov 2015 #27
I said precisely what I meant. 99Forever Nov 2015 #64
Kick! Phlem Nov 2015 #69
Funny that some people are mentioning records and differences in approaches marym625 Nov 2015 #3
Right? Presumably if you support Clinton for the nomination femmedem Nov 2015 #5
Exactly! marym625 Nov 2015 #7
Post removed Post removed Nov 2015 #13
What policies? hifiguy Nov 2015 #22
Right? That was my take as well. raouldukelives Nov 2015 #88
Exactly! marym625 Nov 2015 #89
What a crappy hide for hifiguy. (Sorry raouldukelives, can't reply to a hidden post.) merrily Nov 2015 #116
I think that HRC's problem come from where she gets her focus groups. LiberalArkie Nov 2015 #90
Yeah, I'm sure that is part of her problem. marym625 Nov 2015 #94
Remember that pic of her "listening" to ordinary people in a diner? Turned out to be her staffers. merrily Nov 2015 #127
really? marym625 Nov 2015 #132
Yes. I think Old Crow sussed that out. merrily Nov 2015 #133
Unfuckingbelievable marym625 Nov 2015 #135
He should mention every position she's changed lately and say he's glad that merrily Nov 2015 #114
I have before marym625 Nov 2015 #129
ok. n/t zappaman Nov 2015 #4
alright. n/t retrowire Nov 2015 #9
( ._.) Marty McGraw Nov 2015 #17
Make it last all night? concreteblue Nov 2015 #46
She wuz ♫ Marty McGraw Nov 2015 #49
This message was self-deleted by its author Beast Boy Nov 2015 #62
lol. nt merrily Nov 2015 #115
It's not about Hillary. It's about policy. Which policy is better? Making the wealthiest pay into SS grahamhgreen Nov 2015 #6
Hey, Grannie has already had too much to eat over the years! kristopher Nov 2015 #11
well if you add up Poeradley Nov 2015 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author Snotcicles Nov 2015 #43
I believe the order that bernie has gone with is... retrowire Nov 2015 #8
But social security is hopefully going to be included in that jwirr Nov 2015 #28
Is "she and I have a strong disagreement on this,” a sexst attack? Armstead Nov 2015 #10
The correct terms Poeradley Nov 2015 #15
Even the most minimal disagreement with HRH hifiguy Nov 2015 #23
I agree the cap should be scrapped WI_DEM Nov 2015 #16
Scrap The Cap! Dont call me Shirley Nov 2015 #50
The cap is cray. merrily Nov 2015 #117
He started changing his approach at the murielm99 Nov 2015 #18
I wouldn't stay to listen to Hillary parrot Bernie either. Kalidurga Nov 2015 #37
It is courteous to stay for the entire evening. murielm99 Nov 2015 #41
wait wait wait... grasswire Nov 2015 #48
And most of them came by bus Kalidurga Nov 2015 #57
No one said any such thing. murielm99 Nov 2015 #68
I raised classism because your post above reeks of it, IMO. grasswire Nov 2015 #70
Who cares? murielm99 Nov 2015 #71
because classism is offensive to true, traditional Democrats. grasswire Nov 2015 #72
All of a sudden Bernie is a blue collar dude? murielm99 Nov 2015 #76
He's fighting for working people. Are you kidding??? cui bono Nov 2015 #78
Nope. murielm99 Nov 2015 #79
So now who's rude? cui bono Nov 2015 #81
I am not smearing. murielm99 Nov 2015 #82
You were not defending your candidate. You were attempting to belittle Sanders. cui bono Nov 2015 #105
No, that Bernie is not now a Democrat is not the truth at all. merrily Nov 2015 #119
Bernie is an Independent from a small state with a sparse population. AlbertCat Nov 2015 #96
Isn't it amazing how much energy is put into something insignificant? cui bono Nov 2015 #106
And your opinion of a U.S. States Senator who wrote more legislation that passed than your candidate merrily Nov 2015 #122
What do you mean all of a sudden? He grew up poor. He's never been a millionaire. merrily Nov 2015 #118
I think you've got something there. JDPriestly Nov 2015 #84
you're seeing it too? grasswire Nov 2015 #92
Bucking tradition, Hillary didn't march with supporters to the JJ Dinner.. frylock Nov 2015 #51
Ooh.... interesting... cui bono Nov 2015 #74
NOT GOOD ENOUGH, HILLARY! merrily Nov 2015 #120
Hahaha... cui bono Nov 2015 #73
I think this rudeness, which is becoming murielm99 Nov 2015 #75
Oh come on. I take it you are a Hillary supporter... cui bono Nov 2015 #77
Those who attend Bernie events seem educated, and very polite. bvar22 Nov 2015 #87
very widely discussed, AlbertCat Nov 2015 #97
"If he cannot get his supporters to behave" ???? Your desperation to post negative things about merrily Nov 2015 #123
It is courteous to stay for the entire evening. AlbertCat Nov 2015 #95
They already saw the main event. Fuddnik Nov 2015 #40
Or, it was a political statement. Or, they had a train to catch. So the fuck what? merrily Nov 2015 #124
It was reported after the fact that their buses were leaving with or without them JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #52
Shhhhhhhh! AlbertCat Nov 2015 #98
Bernie!! He doesn't give 'em hell... just tells the TRUTH and they think it's hell! AzDar Nov 2015 #21
Eliminating the cap on income will never happen postatomic Nov 2015 #29
have you ever sat at a negotiating table? druidity33 Nov 2015 #35
I've sat at negotiating tables postatomic Nov 2015 #56
I couldn't disagree more. nt. druidity33 Nov 2015 #61
That's totally cool postatomic Nov 2015 #63
Please tell us what complex deals you have negotiated. nt stevenleser Nov 2015 #66
No. nt. druidity33 Nov 2015 #85
That's what I thought. nt stevenleser Nov 2015 #91
What a show of disrespect to say, "no." I may alert. bvf Nov 2015 #136
The things i can tell you druidity33 Nov 2015 #104
If you are truly interested in the details of Bernie's plan, they are available. NorthCarolina Nov 2015 #42
I am interested and I went to his site to read it postatomic Nov 2015 #59
why would changing the tax code matter? marym625 Nov 2015 #134
Not that far fetched. She voted for every war and every "surge" for which she was eligible to vote. merrily Nov 2015 #125
Okay postatomic Nov 2015 #130
I knew you intended your Gulf of Tonkin remark as sarcasm. However, without your intending to, you merrily Nov 2015 #131
Hillary is not a progressive, and when people compare their records in Congress, that becomes . . . Major Hogwash Nov 2015 #30
The Friendly Persuasion Babel_17 Nov 2015 #31
K&R CharlotteVale Nov 2015 #32
He's a politican just like any other one when they see the polling and they are way behind FloridaBlues Nov 2015 #36
The only politician among Presidential candidate who's been going down any road they think will help merrily Nov 2015 #126
Shout LOUDER Bernie! sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #39
I don't have to sleep... sgtbenobo Nov 2015 #83
Good. Sunlight is the best disinfectant. K&R Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2015 #53
What happened to his proclamation "I won't go negative"? George II Nov 2015 #93
You clearly have a very interesting vision of what constitutes 'negative'. Kentonio Nov 2015 #99
Pointing out differences... AlbertCat Nov 2015 #100
"go negative" Like trolling the bernie sanders group and alerting as much as possible? L0oniX Nov 2015 #109
HUH? What about it? & she's always gone negative. As it was in 2008, so it is now and ever shall be. merrily Nov 2015 #121
But, but, but... HassleCat Nov 2015 #101
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