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thesquanderer

(12,018 posts)
121. He says that people on both sides of the gun issue shout instead of working to find common ground
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:29 PM
Oct 2015

from
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/10/hillary_clinton_is_smearing_bernie_sanders_as_a_sexist_it_s_an_insult_to.html (including links)


Let’s be clear: This isn’t what happened. During the debate exchange, Sanders answered O’Malley with the same point about “raising our voices.” Sanders has been giving this answer for years. He did it in July, after an O’Malley super PAC ad attacked him (“We have been yelling and screaming at each other about guns for decades,” said Sanders). He did it again in August, after a male surrogate for Clinton attacked him (“I can get beyond the noise and all of these arguments and people shouting at each other”). He did it again in October, after the mass shooting in Roseburg, Oregon (“People on both sides of this issue cannot simply continue shouting at each other”). Sanders gives this answer to everyone.


Crystal clear. And yes, he yelled throughout the debate. But he is a man, it's OK lunamagica Oct 2015 #1
You would think the teacher just came in the room and told everyone to be quiet... boston bean Oct 2015 #2
Not even the sound of crickets. Which surprises me. I'm always amazed by their ability lunamagica Oct 2015 #3
maybe I should get ready for the onslaught. They might be in re-grouping mode! boston bean Oct 2015 #4
LOL, got to give them some time! lunamagica Oct 2015 #5
LOL leftofcool Oct 2015 #6
Left out Lame? RobertEarl Oct 2015 #73
ten to one it will be an edited video snip of his debate response, cutting him out saying her name. boston bean Oct 2015 #7
Sanders had been saying the exact same thing about the gun issue for months before the debate. appal_jack Oct 2015 #54
He was characterizing her as shouting. You know how you can tell that? boston bean Oct 2015 #56
He was talking to her, not about her. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #133
Exactly. cui bono Oct 2015 #156
+1000 BeanMusical Oct 2015 #167
Gender card on the first comment. Nice. HerbChestnut Oct 2015 #29
Yup. If she yells she's "bitchy". If she's mild she's "non enthusiastic". JaneyVee Oct 2015 #39
If she shows emotion she's weak mcar Oct 2015 #80
Even if she shows emotion she's still phony. svpadgham Oct 2015 #105
She really doesn't mcar Oct 2015 #110
Thank you for giving me the opportunity to learn a new word. svpadgham Oct 2015 #112
My pleasure mcar Oct 2015 #114
I believe that she was genuine when she said with a big smile: "Thank you Bernie!" when he BeanMusical Oct 2015 #168
No. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #134
Yes it was. But thanks for playing leftofcool Oct 2015 #181
You missed this part of the transcript. Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #8
For real, now it will be he was talking about O'Malley, when he is directly responding to Clinton. boston bean Oct 2015 #11
Didn't you read your own transcript? Bernie was addressing O'Malley in the exchange which I posted. Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #16
It has nothing to do with the point of the post, nor Hillary's comments nor Bernies. boston bean Oct 2015 #19
It has everything to do with it. It shows he wasn't speaking to gender when he said that. cui bono Oct 2015 #26
If not Hillary then who specifically has been shouting? msrizzo Oct 2015 #71
He says that people on both sides of the gun issue shout instead of working to find common ground thesquanderer Oct 2015 #121
So a strawman then, msrizzo Oct 2015 #129
No. We all know everyone has been shouting on the issue Fawke Em Oct 2015 #137
Hillary is using it as a strawman, yes, if that's what you mean. cui bono Oct 2015 #155
I asked who Bernie says is shouting..... msrizzo Oct 2015 #157
That's what Bernie said though, so what is it a diversion from? cui bono Oct 2015 #159
Never mind. nt msrizzo Oct 2015 #160
It makes no sense whatsoever. BeanMusical Oct 2015 #169
People and politicians in general. Where did he specifically say Hillary was shouting? cui bono Oct 2015 #152
I'm not the one who said he said Hillary msrizzo Oct 2015 #154
It's pretty clear if you approach it to try to understand rather than to try play victim Jim Lane Oct 2015 #170
It is not short of deliberate dishonesty Rilgin Oct 2015 #177
It is disgusting Rilgin Oct 2015 #106
Agree completely. cui bono Oct 2015 #158
This message was self-deleted by its author BeanMusical Oct 2015 #174
If your point was to cast Bernie's responses as sexist then you failed, in both exchanges between Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #27
His responses were identical? Really? boston bean Oct 2015 #42
Yes do I need to post the entirety of both responses? Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #53
In on he is saying to the other man on stage it is OK to raise his voice. boston bean Oct 2015 #58
This is amusing. bravenak Oct 2015 #66
It can be fun sometimes. boston bean Oct 2015 #75
Yes because men don't shout and women don't RAISE THEIR VOICE, is that what you're implying? n/t Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #87
Yeah, that's exactly what I'm sayin.. boston bean Oct 2015 #88
Then you would be wrong. n/t Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #92
Do you feel like you've won a prize or something? boston bean Oct 2015 #95
Not particularly just in exposing an attempted smear against Bernie. n/t Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #97
There was no attempted smear, it was a transcript. boston bean Oct 2015 #99
A heavily edited PORTION of the transcript taken out of context from the entire debate while Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #104
ummmm, it was the relevant portions. Also, I provided you a whole link boston bean Oct 2015 #107
I did use your own link against your attempted smear but it didn't "bolster your point." n/t Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #108
It surely did. So, thanks! nt boston bean Oct 2015 #109
As a dispassionate observer I must give retrowire Oct 2015 #119
You owe me a keyboard! boston bean Oct 2015 #123
Here's Bernie's interview from July and he used the terms yelling and screaming to describe Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #124
His responses to the two of them were essentially the same thesquanderer Oct 2015 #127
She doesn't care. BeanMusical Oct 2015 #172
I'll charitably assume that this is total reading comprehension fail on your part. Jim Lane Oct 2015 #171
Very good post. BeanMusical Oct 2015 #175
Thanks for keeping it real Uncle Joe. cui bono Oct 2015 #18
OOPS. Thread over, thanks Uncle Joe! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #51
There you go, ruining a perfectly lame attempt at a smear. arcane1 Oct 2015 #55
To paraphrase Hillary in Benghazi hearing, floriduck Oct 2015 #72
So Sanders used "shout" for Hillary and "raise our voices" for O'Malley? ucrdem Oct 2015 #145
Yes it appears to be. Agschmid Oct 2015 #149
Thank you! ucrdem Oct 2015 #150
In July Sanders used "yelling and screaming" in this interview and just as in his rebuttals against Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #164
Be careful Cali_Democrat Oct 2015 #9
Are you serious???? sheshe2 Oct 2015 #14
I got two actually. Cali_Democrat Oct 2015 #38
Ha! sheshe2 Oct 2015 #10
Lol, more like a wet firecracker. BeanMusical Oct 2015 #176
she did shout at him restorefreedom Oct 2015 #12
She did? Are you one of those persons who think a woman voicing an opinion is yelling? boston bean Oct 2015 #17
no, i am someone who can recognize the sound of a raised voice restorefreedom Oct 2015 #35
A transcript is evidence, a video is evidence. boston bean Oct 2015 #63
fine. call it an interpretation. i don't care restorefreedom Oct 2015 #86
That was everybody's take, no matter their gender. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #143
:) nt restorefreedom Oct 2015 #180
LOL - you have a very strange definition BlueMTexpat Oct 2015 #28
so did i restorefreedom Oct 2015 #37
That's not what Bernie was talking about and I'm not sure you are correct. cui bono Oct 2015 #41
i know. but i don't think the inaccurate smears should stand imo. nt restorefreedom Oct 2015 #43
When did she shout at him? nt Cali_Democrat Oct 2015 #44
she answered the gun question with a pretty loud voice restorefreedom Oct 2015 #46
You think so, huh? I just watched it again and I didn't hear her "shouting". boston bean Oct 2015 #48
i am willing to acknowledge that at one point or other restorefreedom Oct 2015 #60
You would have to ask Bernie why he felt it important to address Clinton in that manner boston bean Oct 2015 #62
perhaps he was responding to the energy they were sending his way restorefreedom Oct 2015 #82
Martin O'Mally was ripping him a new one on it. boston bean Oct 2015 #85
and if bernie did not respond in kind then he should have restorefreedom Oct 2015 #90
I think he was being sexist. Do I think he is a sexist, no. boston bean Oct 2015 #98
i don't dispute that. much is unconscious, even from women at times. restorefreedom Oct 2015 #103
I thought she raised her voice above that which was necessary. cherokeeprogressive Oct 2015 #147
seemed so. nt restorefreedom Oct 2015 #183
This just proves that you have never heard sadoldgirl Oct 2015 #13
I like him but he always reminds me of this... zappaman Oct 2015 #15
But as per the transcript posted above by a Bernie supporter boston bean Oct 2015 #23
Oh my.... cui bono Oct 2015 #32
Is that a compliment? boston bean Oct 2015 #34
I'm sure you can spin it however you like to make yourself feel right. cui bono Oct 2015 #36
So why is it okay for you to post that pic? What if someone did that about Hillary? cui bono Oct 2015 #30
Sanders is sexist? zappaman Oct 2015 #68
lol... I worded that wrong! But what if someone posted that about Hillary? cui bono Oct 2015 #151
I demand you retract this OP and offer Sanders an apology Bread and Circus Oct 2015 #20
ROFLMAO! I will not issue a retraction of a debate transcript. LOL boston bean Oct 2015 #21
Right. I mean the stupid statements you made or linked at the end. Bread and Circus Oct 2015 #24
... cui bono Oct 2015 #33
That is such a slimy tactic... JTFrog Oct 2015 #74
You're right, it's immature. cui bono Oct 2015 #153
"Don't be a jerk." JTFrog Oct 2015 #117
:) Bread and Circus Oct 2015 #161
Lolololololololol!!! bravenak Oct 2015 #69
AverageJoe90 is that you? Because, to be honest, you sound a lot like that loon. Squinch Oct 2015 #111
.. JTFrog Oct 2015 #118
Does "I strongly request you please stop lying" sound better? Bread and Circus Oct 2015 #162
I demand you apologize for saying that. And then I demand that you buy me a car. Squinch Oct 2015 #188
Haha :) Bread and Circus Oct 2015 #191
And I demand soup and cracker for my cold!! bravenak Oct 2015 #194
Alright alright point well made :) Bread and Circus Oct 2015 #195
I hope you come tho. bravenak Oct 2015 #196
Poor baby! This sounds like a miserable one. Feel better. Squinch Oct 2015 #197
I think it's breaking. Thank you. Next week is going to be good. bravenak Oct 2015 #198
I miss Joe!!! bravenak Oct 2015 #165
I remember that too. I think he was a centipede. Squinch Oct 2015 #187
I have been good. Got a cold though and skipped class. Too burned out to go with this cough. bravenak Oct 2015 #190
I know you are on the other end of the country from me, Squinch Oct 2015 #192
I demand it. Let me go tell him. bravenak Oct 2015 #193
Pretty clear he wasn't referring to her directly. HerbChestnut Oct 2015 #22
I think Uncle Joe's post above absolutely does show he was referring to her directly, boston bean Oct 2015 #31
No, sorry, that's just not the case. HerbChestnut Oct 2015 #49
Well, you would have to admit he was quite deferential to the man on the stage boston bean Oct 2015 #52
I'm not really sure what you mean. HerbChestnut Oct 2015 #64
Oh, come on. You don't really believe this, do you? WIProgressive88 Oct 2015 #130
Yeah. boston bean Oct 2015 #131
It's extremely clear. cui bono Oct 2015 #45
Oops. Nt NCTraveler Oct 2015 #25
Sure portlander23 Oct 2015 #40
LOL!! FTW! truebrit71 Oct 2015 #84
Spot on! dorkzilla Oct 2015 #96
No iandhr Oct 2015 #138
Sure! portlander23 Oct 2015 #144
He used the same expression when he responded to O'Malley: Vattel Oct 2015 #47
Yes, he was quite deferential to Martin, giving permission to the other man to raise his voice. boston bean Oct 2015 #50
LOL you are stretching this until it's one atom thick arcane1 Oct 2015 #59
You got to look at who he is responding to. boston bean Oct 2015 #65
He was expressing the same basic idea to each of them Vattel Oct 2015 #113
Please just stop spreading your nonsense. DrBulldog Oct 2015 #57
It's a transcript for goodness sakes. It doesn't lie. boston bean Oct 2015 #61
That is true, but trials are held in person for a reason and not by transcript. The video is better. Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #70
Keep misrepresenting that chicken frylock Oct 2015 #67
I like both candidates, and I don't think his comment was in the least sexixt. cwydro Oct 2015 #76
Iv'e decided im not voting forthis MAIN STREET poser. V0ltairesGh0st Oct 2015 #77
Wait, what are we arguing over? Really? Comrade Grumpy Oct 2015 #78
K&R mcar Oct 2015 #79
HE was speaking directly to her, not about her passiveporcupine Oct 2015 #81
You would have to ask Bernie why he phrased his response that way to her, boston bean Oct 2015 #83
Post removed Post removed Oct 2015 #93
Please self-delete...this is obnoxious passiveporcupine Oct 2015 #100
This message was self-deleted by its author boston bean Oct 2015 #101
Kind of amazing that the other response to this post was hidden by a narrow 4-3 vote Persondem Oct 2015 #125
"All the shouting in the world" is an EXPRESSION.... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #89
Then why did he tell O'Malley it was ok to raise voices over the same issue and points, actually? boston bean Oct 2015 #91
Still flogging this I see..... blackspade Oct 2015 #94
Well, they're both right: forest444 Oct 2015 #102
SHE IS NOT LIBERAL!! houston_radical Oct 2015 #115
absolutely. A game of deflection from the issues. retrowire Oct 2015 #120
Helping your candidate play the weak gender card eh? retrowire Oct 2015 #116
When is the Senator from a "rural state" (and a tiny one at that) going to STOP legislating.... George II Oct 2015 #122
Great post. Thank you. Sanders clearly has no people skills. Persondem Oct 2015 #126
Sanders said the same thing previously Eric J in MN Oct 2015 #128
Dumb, dumb, dumb. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #132
My husband is from Boston. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #135
The OP is a Bostonian who is very astute. iandhr Oct 2015 #139
Well, we know sexism when we see it and this isn't it. eom Fawke Em Oct 2015 #142
This one has legs. Let it run! You're on to something this time! Ed Suspicious Oct 2015 #136
Too many beans, and now we have a wicked pantload. nt. Juicy_Bellows Oct 2015 #140
I had posted this before postatomic Oct 2015 #141
Irrelevent nonsense AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #146
Certain men don't like it when a strong, smart woman speaks. Beausoir Oct 2015 #148
Do you not get the irony of your own "tagline" in this post? Seriously do you just not get it? Bread and Circus Oct 2015 #163
Illogical indeed. BeanMusical Oct 2015 #178
Yes, yes, that must be it. Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #179
You are a great feminist. Taking concerns of feminists and calling it drama. boston bean Oct 2015 #182
I think it's ridiculous to try to paint Sanders as "not liking it when a strong woman speaks" due to Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #184
Amen philosslayer Oct 2015 #185
Did Sanders say Clinton was shouting? No. He said that shouting would not solve the problem. mhatrw Oct 2015 #166
And you could tell he was yelling because of the bold font? nt Live and Learn Oct 2015 #173
Because he shouts a lot BainsBane Oct 2015 #186
Sexism. nt LexVegas Oct 2015 #189
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