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2016 Postmortem

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mylye2222

(2,992 posts)
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 01:33 PM Sep 2015

I hear people comparing Clinton Email Controversy to Swiftboaters of 2004: I say to you, it is not [View all]

comparable.

Why?

In 2004, when JK was under attack from SB smears, it was highly, heavily personnal. It was a character assasination, using one of his more painfull moments in life, the VN war, used in order to destabilize him and his message. It was a compoete designed distraction .It eventually became one, among other factors, of prominent factors of 2004 losses.

On the contrary, I see nothing going that personnal in Hillary-directed attacks. Sure RW overacts by calling what is a problem into a " mass scandal" but it is mainly political classic games. I see no labelling of Hillary as a " traitor" for instance.They are targeting her tenure at State and her way to practice politics. Not Hillary the woman. They go after Hillary Clinton the politician. I also dont see, coktrary to some claims, much "sexist" attacks such as " A woman can' t lead"

I give you the benefits of doubt, however, as contrary to 11 years ago, there is no KKKarl to orchestrate the smears.

PS: In 2004, the attacks against JK were based on manufactured lies, fake documents, and remember fake servicemen who claimed to have served along with JK while for some of them they never went to Vietnam at all.
Now, re. emails stories, it is clear that Hillary herself was surely aware it might hant a prospective bid. After all no one forced her to use private email. Although all of this is exagerated, she has a part of it, as she could have separated at least , for instance, personnal correspondance from pro one. Now are public her exanges with family, wich is clearly not our buisness.

Have a nice afternoon, DUers.

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Perhaps not as bad, but their have been so many false stories from the MSM concerning the emails, still_one Sep 2015 #1
Exactly. Lies as HEADLINES! Retractions on page 76. SonderWoman Sep 2015 #3
True spotted. mylye2222 Sep 2015 #5
Didn't you claim Hillary was a BENGHAZI MURDERER! SonderWoman Sep 2015 #2
No. I said she mishandled the gestion of that crisis. mylye2222 Sep 2015 #4
I think it's obvious that the Right is helping to shape the narrative of this story, particularly Metric System Sep 2015 #6
When they mocked Bernie marching with MLK here, that was swiftboating. AtomicKitten Sep 2015 #7
True, sure it is. mylye2222 Sep 2015 #8
Another difference as pointed out downthread is she actually did what she is accused of, setting AtomicKitten Sep 2015 #21
As I recall, that was a reaction from some African-Americans due to Sanders supporters displaying Metric System Sep 2015 #10
The State Department said Hillary did nothing wrong. upaloopa Sep 2015 #9
No it is not. mylye2222 Sep 2015 #11
She did not PRETEND it was a protest turned to terror attack. That was the administration's line Metric System Sep 2015 #15
We all have our opinions but not our own truth. upaloopa Sep 2015 #20
They really should not be over using that rebuttal. Motown_Johnny Sep 2015 #12
Wait until they get done with Sanders! Metric System Sep 2015 #16
Because SOSHULISM!!! frylock Sep 2015 #23
Among other things. They'll paint him as weak on crime, terrorism, etc. Think Dukakis. Metric System Sep 2015 #24
What has tough on terrorism done for us again? frylock Sep 2015 #26
I'm not defending that or even saying Sanders is weak on these issues. My response was about Metric System Sep 2015 #34
For what exactly? Motown_Johnny Sep 2015 #32
The big difference is that, in Kerry's case, the Swiftboaters told blatant lies. Maedhros Sep 2015 #13
Perfectly explained. mylye2222 Sep 2015 #14
Well, you are doing far better posting in English than I would posting in your language. Maedhros Sep 2015 #17
nice (and accurate) summary- thanks. n/t MBS Sep 2015 #19
Not accepting responsibility is an unfortunate theme in our party LettuceSea Sep 2015 #18
Hmm, let's see, a shadowy smear campaign, a Bush running for President.... Rstrstx Sep 2015 #22
It's a convenient way to explain away a very inconvenient truth. HappyPlace Sep 2015 #25
Yep. what is a fact is that mylye2222 Sep 2015 #28
yup, that's it in a nutshell. n/t MBS Sep 2015 #30
Thank you my friend. mylye2222 Sep 2015 #31
There's no daylight between Hillary as a woman and a politician. procon Sep 2015 #27
Well , with HRC: mylye2222 Sep 2015 #29
O.M.G. procon Sep 2015 #33
THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA is drip drip drip Goring clinton. JUST like they did kerry. AND DEAN. do not pansypoo53219 Sep 2015 #35
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