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leveymg

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313. This is not why he died. If Stevens wanted, he could have driven to the airport a week before.
Sun Aug 30, 2015, 12:09 PM
Aug 2015

Last edited Sun Aug 30, 2015, 01:40 PM - Edit history (4)

It was his decision to stay on in Benghazi despite warnings he and other US diplomats and CIA officers received that Islamist militia groups he was dealing with in Eastern Libya had growing hostility to aspects of US involvement in the region. Ultimately, it was his choice to remain based on his and others misunderstanding of the Libyan opposition and other US "allies". See, A Deadly Mix in Benghazi by David D. Kirkpatrick December 28, 2013, http://www.nytimes.com/projects/2013/benghazi/#/?chapt=0

Members of the local militia groups that the Americans called on for help proved unreliable, even hostile. The fixation on Al Qaeda might have distracted experts from more imminent threats. Those now look like intelligence failures.

More broadly, Mr. Stevens, like his bosses in Washington, believed that the United States could turn a critical mass of the fighters it helped oust Colonel Qaddafi into reliable friends. He died trying.

Let's not forget why Stevens was still in Benghazi on Sept. 11, 2012 - for 18 months he had been the lead of a US gov't interagency team that was coordinating the armed overthrow of Ghadaffi, and after the regime's complete destruction, a coordinated transfer with Qatar and the UAE of arms and fighters from Libya to Syria. See, U.S.-Approved Arms for Libya Rebels Fell Into Jihadis’ Hands, By JAMES RISEN, MARK MAZZETTI and MICHAEL S. SCHMIDTDEC. 5, 2012, http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/06/world/africa/weapons-sent-to-libyan-rebels-with-us-approval-fell-into-islamist-hands.html?_r=0


WASHINGTON — The Obama administration secretly gave its blessing to arms shipments to Libyan rebels from Qatar last year, but American officials later grew alarmed as evidence grew that Qatar was turning some of the weapons over to Islamic militants, according to United States officials and foreign diplomats.

. . .

The Obama administration did not initially raise objections when Qatar began shipping arms to opposition groups in Syria
, even if it did not offer encouragement, according to current and former administration officials. But they said the United States has growing concerns that, just as in Libya, the Qataris are equipping some of the wrong militants.

The United States, which had only small numbers of C.I.A. officers in Libya during the tumult of the rebellion, provided little oversight of the arms shipments. Within weeks of endorsing Qatar’s plan to send weapons there in spring 2011, the White House began receiving reports that they were going to Islamic militant groups. They were “more antidemocratic, more hard-line, closer to an extreme version of Islam” than the main rebel alliance in Libya, said a former Defense Department official. The Qatari assistance to fighters viewed as hostile by the United States demonstrates the Obama administration’s continuing struggles in dealing with the Arab Spring uprisings, as it tries to support popular protest movements while avoiding American military entanglements. Relying on surrogates allows the United States to keep its fingerprints off operations, but also means they may play out in ways that conflict with American interests.

. . .

He said that Qatar would not have gone through with the arms shipments if the United States had resisted them, but other current and former administration officials said Washington had little leverage at times over Qatari officials. “They march to their own drummer,” said a former senior State Department official. The White House and State Department declined to comment.

. . .

But after the White House decided to encourage Qatar — and on a smaller scale, the United Arab Emirates — to ship arms to the Libyans, President Obama complained in April 2011 to the emir of Qatar that his country was not coordinating its actions in Libya with the United States, the American officials said. “The president made the point to the emir that we needed transparency about what Qatar was doing in Libya,” said a former senior administration official who had been briefed on the matter.

About that same time, Mahmoud Jibril, then the prime minister of the Libyan transitional government, expressed frustration to administration officials that the United States was allowing Qatar to arm extremist groups opposed to the new leadership, according to several American officials. They, like nearly a dozen current and former White House, diplomatic, intelligence, military and foreign officials, would speak only on the condition of anonymity for this article. The administration has never determined where all of the weapons, paid for by Qatar and the United Arab Emirates, went inside Libya, officials said. Qatar is believed to have shipped by air and sea small arms, including machine guns, automatic rifles, and ammunition, for which it has demanded reimbursement from Libya’s new government. Some of the arms since have been moved from Libya to militants with ties to Al Qaeda in Mali, where radical jihadi factions have imposed Shariah law in the northern part of the country, the former Defense Department official said. Others have gone to Syria, according to several American and foreign officials and arms traders.

Although NATO provided air support that proved critical for the Libyan rebels, the Obama administration wanted to avoid getting immersed in a ground war, which officials feared could lead the United States into another quagmire in the Middle East.




Within months after the attack in Benghazi, the flow of arms and fighters from Libya to Syria escalated, along with the direct role of Gulf states, particularly Qatar, in large-scale transfers as the US moved toward open arming of the Syrian opposition: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/22/world/africa/in-a-turnabout-syria-rebels-get-libyan-weapons.html

Evidence gathered in Syria, along with flight-control data and interviews with militia members, smugglers, rebels, analysts and officials in several countries, offers a profile of a complex and active multinational effort, financed largely by Qatar, to transport arms from Libya to Syria’s opposition fighters. Libya’s own former fighters, who sympathize with Syria’s rebels, have been eager collaborators.
. . .

As the United States and its Western allies move toward providing lethal aid to Syrian rebels, these secretive transfers give insight into an unregistered arms pipeline that is difficult to monitor or control. And while the system appears to succeed in moving arms across multiple borders and to select rebel groups, once inside Syria the flow branches out. Extremist fighters, some of them aligned with Al Qaeda, have the money to buy the newly arrived stock, and many rebels are willing to sell.

. . .

Those weapons, which slipped from state custody as Colonel Qaddafi’s people rose against him in 2011, are sent on ships or Qatar Emiri Air Force flights to a network of intelligence agencies and Syrian opposition leaders in Turkey. From there, Syrians distribute the arms according to their own formulas and preferences to particular fighting groups, which in turn issue them to their fighters on the ground, rebels and activists said.

Qatari C-17 cargo aircraft have made at least three stops in Libya this year — including flights from Mitiga airport in Tripoli on Jan. 15 and Feb. 1, and another that departed Benghazi on April 16, according to flight data provided by an aviation official in the region. The planes returned to Al Udeid Air Base in Qatar. The cargo was then flown to Ankara, Turkey, along with other weapons and equipment that the Qataris had been gathering for the rebels, officials and rebels said.

In the end, it was the failure of a US covert activity, which was most enthusiastically promoted and co-managed by David Petraeus' CIA with Hillary Clinton's State Department, that sealed Ambassador Steven's fate. That is a fact that neither the Administration nor Republicans in Congress who essentially agreed with the program of serial regime change want the American public to clearly understand.
I'm a Sanders supporter and I don't care jfern Aug 2015 #1
I'm a Bernie supporter and I do care. 840high Aug 2015 #77
ditto AtomicKitten Aug 2015 #98
The real mattet behind all of this mylye2222 Aug 2015 #159
There are rules for Republicans and there are rules for Clinton Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2015 #255
just so you know, the hillary group is lit up over this. I personally hate that roguevalley Aug 2015 #227
Benghazi was a tragic event that the right wing used to try and discredit Obama Cali_Democrat Aug 2015 #278
Benghazi! is a RW distraction from the very real policy failure leveymg Aug 2015 #288
I like Bernie but his supporters are ruining his campaign. FarPoint Aug 2015 #232
And Hillary supporters are pure as the driven, yes? truebrit71 Aug 2015 #290
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2015 #296
This is no laughing matter. FarPoint Aug 2015 #307
You cared enough to jump into the first response. nm rhett o rick Aug 2015 #247
Lets stick to attacking her on legit things jfern Aug 2015 #268
With Democrats like cherokeeprogressive, who needs Republicans? CreekDog Aug 2015 #314
No shit. Facts obviously do not matter any more. Hekate Aug 2015 #318
Perhaps you can get a job on Trey Gowdy's committee. hrmjustin Aug 2015 #2
The GOP Congress denied repeated request by State, including HRC herself the week before, for more freshwest Aug 2015 #118
Blinded by hatred of Hillary. hrmjustin Aug 2015 #123
Well, it's been on since Rush made his career on it followed by virtually each of the cable network freshwest Aug 2015 #128
Yup. The right hates Hillary. The fringe left hates Hillary... SidDithers Aug 2015 #170
They went so far to the left, they came up on the far right. eom MohRokTah Aug 2015 #180
Especially when the fringe left starts parroting the talking points of the hard right. George II Aug 2015 #194
If, I, as a Black man, held a position ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #208
Or if you didn't re-think it, you'd probably have the sense to keep it to yourself! George II Aug 2015 #212
Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #216
Exactly! That's why Hillary never got the message from Stevens, because of the GOP congress. hughee99 Aug 2015 #281
This is not why he died. If Stevens wanted, he could have driven to the airport a week before. leveymg Aug 2015 #313
Bedpan carrier. okasha Aug 2015 #249
Do you think he's possibly looking for an internship? Cali_Democrat Sep 2015 #324
Perhaps. Seems to like to believe rw fantasy when it comes to HRC. hrmjustin Sep 2015 #325
McCarthy admitted that the whole thing was political. nt Cali_Democrat Sep 2015 #327
I care that he was killed and about his family, who are surely still mourning. PatrickforO Aug 2015 #3
Republican budget cuts could not have kept his cables from Hillary Clinton's eyes. cherokeeprogressive Aug 2015 #11
Well, I don't disagree with you. PatrickforO Aug 2015 #13
It was a consequential fuckup of Obama's presidency. AtomicKitten Aug 2015 #100
It was a consequential fuckup of the REPUBLICAN CONGRESS. Hekate Aug 2015 #321
I think there's plenty of blame to spread around. AtomicKitten Aug 2015 #322
? Separation Aug 2015 #145
With all your bluster and rants, I'm not surprised that there isn't a single source for the stuff... George II Aug 2015 #196
Oh great. Live and Learn Aug 2015 #4
Benghazi!!! Adrahil Aug 2015 #5
Sort of just outed himself. hrmjustin Aug 2015 #6
You got that right. FarPoint Aug 2015 #234
And a few of his friends. hrmjustin Aug 2015 #235
I believe making a list in in order. FarPoint Aug 2015 #239
Juryblacklist and ignore list. hrmjustin Aug 2015 #240
Sad but true... FarPoint Aug 2015 #241
Just wait, if Sanders gets the nomination jfern Aug 2015 #7
GOP tourette's pansypoo53219 Aug 2015 #149
Glad you could finally share your feelings after months of agonizing. oasis Aug 2015 #8
An American Ambassador sends an URGENT message to the Secretary of State. cherokeeprogressive Aug 2015 #14
Many in the world were saddened by the event, as was I. oasis Aug 2015 #32
I did. That very day. And my post was hidden. cherokeeprogressive Aug 2015 #35
The very day of the attack, before all the evidence was in? oasis Aug 2015 #43
No. My anger was directed at the people who MURDERED Ambassador Stevens. cherokeeprogressive Aug 2015 #45
Yeah and all of a sudden your pissed a t Hillary for it. hrmjustin Aug 2015 #49
What story is it you're not buying? cherokeeprogressive Aug 2015 #50
Yours. hrmjustin Aug 2015 #52
Eloquence is not your strong point? Or do you not HAVE an opposite point to make? cherokeeprogressive Aug 2015 #55
My point is I don't buy your anger at this. hrmjustin Aug 2015 #57
You don't buy my anger at the murder of an American Ambassador that might have been avoided. cherokeeprogressive Aug 2015 #61
Nope. I think you hate Hillary and posted a garbage op to trash her. hrmjustin Aug 2015 #63
So discussing the murder of an American Ambassador is garbage. cherokeeprogressive Aug 2015 #66
You are trying to hard. Don't bother because I can see right through your act. hrmjustin Aug 2015 #68
Yes. cherokeeprogressive Aug 2015 #106
This OP and thread might as well be on Free Republic. DU has jumped the whale randys1 Aug 2015 #261
Then be angry at the people who murdered him. Arkana Aug 2015 #266
You downplay impact of that anti-Muslim video but . . . brush Aug 2015 #150
Wow. Speaking out against murder got you hidden? oasis Aug 2015 #73
My hidden post wasn't PC. I blamed extremist Muslims for his death. I earned the hide. cherokeeprogressive Aug 2015 #83
And now coincidentally four years later you're going on a rant........ George II Aug 2015 #203
Really? Gothmog Aug 2015 #176
You obviously haven't learned enough about the attack to talk about it. This is... George II Aug 2015 #185
No HassleCat Aug 2015 #253
You're back with these winger talking points? You tried this yesterday. brush Aug 2015 #311
I fault the DoD more than State as far as that goes. When everything was going to shit TwilightGardener Aug 2015 #9
Wasn't this same screed on Fox News? Lint Head Aug 2015 #10
Horse Poop! International security was cut back BY THE REPUBLICANS! napi21 Aug 2015 #12
So budget cuts affected whether or not Secretary Clinton saw URGENT messages from Ambassadors. cherokeeprogressive Aug 2015 #17
You keep talkin about "urgent messages" from Stevens to the ambassador brush Aug 2015 #151
Even after the Benghazi committee's official finding was that neither HRC or PBO made any mistakes. freshwest Aug 2015 #315
Maybe. I suspect all emails are seen, at least first, by some other members of the State Dept, napi21 Aug 2015 #260
Hillary killed my dieffenbachia. procon Aug 2015 #15
Laugh all you want. An American Ambassador is dead, as are the brave men who protected him. cherokeeprogressive Aug 2015 #22
Keep burnishing that pebble LuvLoogie Aug 2015 #42
I'm still perplexed by your cryptic reference to "Ceritos", procon Aug 2015 #88
Some Dufus who lives (lived) in the L.A. suburb of Cerritos was and still is to blame for a video... cherokeeprogressive Aug 2015 #97
Several proctoscopic GOP investigations by people Arkana Aug 2015 #267
She killed Old Yeller, too. If that doesn't make you cry, you have no heart. n/t freshwest Aug 2015 #134
On a lighter note HassleCat Aug 2015 #254
Yeah, it's supposed to be a measure of humanity according to the country song 'She Never Cried...' freshwest Aug 2015 #317
That one made me laugh! Laser102 Aug 2015 #195
Me too. msrizzo Aug 2015 #256
Maybe they should have sent some backup. Cheese Sandwich Aug 2015 #16
Back up from where, the military has already testified it was not possible to get backup in time, it Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #202
No backups available. Sigoella AFB in Sicily was the closest, but no planes available. napi21 Aug 2015 #294
This just proves my point that there is a contingent of Sanders supporters that will post hrmjustin Aug 2015 #18
Take your rhetorical device of comparing an opinion, ANY opinion you don't agree with... cherokeeprogressive Aug 2015 #23
Did you vote for Obama? It happened on his watch. hrmjustin Aug 2015 #24
I voted for Obama twice after supporting Hillary Clinton in the 2008 primaries. cherokeeprogressive Aug 2015 #33
What this indicates to me is that you hate Hillary and will say anything including RW talking hrmjustin Aug 2015 #37
Your use of "hate" is so old. Dislike 840high Aug 2015 #80
Hate is the appropriate word. Sorry if that bothers you but i am not going to sugar coat it, hrmjustin Aug 2015 #82
Not for me. "nite 840high Aug 2015 #89
How about you answer the question rather than insert hyperbole? truebrit71 Aug 2015 #287
Nailed it...nt SidDithers Aug 2015 #172
I'm hoping that group is really tiny. I'm a Bernie Ilsa Aug 2015 #187
I don't agree with those methods. joshcryer Aug 2015 #189
"This just proves my point that there is a contingent of Clinton supporters that will post Hissyspit Aug 2015 #210
I will agree there were a few porly chosen ops posted but it is nowhere near the garbage posted hrmjustin Aug 2015 #211
You are correct justin. nt sheshe2 Aug 2015 #214
RW conspiracy theories don't belong here. TDale313 Aug 2015 #19
Exactly still_one Aug 2015 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author Agschmid Aug 2015 #108
Why the hell are you quoting republican talking points? How come you are not saying anything about still_one Aug 2015 #20
If she saw the requests she denies seeing, she's a liar. IF she saw them and didn't RUN to the press cherokeeprogressive Aug 2015 #26
I am not going to engage in your bullshit anymore. Go peddle your wares to someone else still_one Aug 2015 #34
Wares. cherokeeprogressive Aug 2015 #36
typo, thanks still_one Aug 2015 #40
If, if, if... quickesst Aug 2015 #160
As a possible relative and as a Bernie Sanders supporter SwampG8r Aug 2015 #25
I'm an unabashed optimist ... NanceGreggs Aug 2015 #27
1+ riversedge Aug 2015 #29
Our own bit of freerepublic right here. hrmjustin Aug 2015 #30
Served hot 'n' ready ... NanceGreggs Aug 2015 #38
I used to love this place. hrmjustin Aug 2015 #41
Now it's strictly entertainment ... NanceGreggs Aug 2015 #44
And if you call out their behavior your the bad one. hrmjustin Aug 2015 #46
And if you're a Democrat ... NanceGreggs Aug 2015 #54
God forbid you speak well of a Democrat here. hrmjustin Aug 2015 #59
I do my best not to. NanceGreggs Aug 2015 #90
... ismnotwasm Aug 2015 #229
That is just plain silly. Live and Learn Aug 2015 #78
Ain't THAT the truth! nt MADem Aug 2015 #263
An annex of Frum's 'conservative infotainment bubble.' n/t freshwest Aug 2015 #146
I was just thinking--just now--that the "Whitewater" threads were the apex of that type of thinking ismnotwasm Aug 2015 #228
This forum has descended to the lowest point ever when workinclasszero Aug 2015 #193
Actually, this sold right-wing bullshit. Suddenly the OP is outraged, and found Jesus. It is still_one Aug 2015 #39
Speak to your thoughts about Ambassador Christopher Stevens' murder. cherokeeprogressive Aug 2015 #53
Chris Stevens knew that Hillary had Vince Foster killed ... JoePhilly Aug 2015 #205
... DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #171
+ 1,000,000,000,000 eom MohRokTah Aug 2015 #181
Oh that is optimism! mcar Aug 2015 #215
Bingo Hekate Aug 2015 #319
Democrats do not need hate-radio with posts like yours riversedge Aug 2015 #28
I see the rave reviews for your op are just pouring in! hrmjustin Aug 2015 #31
Yeah I don't post for recs. Forgive me. cherokeeprogressive Aug 2015 #48
No you posted a look at me post. I d0am not buying into you right wing fantasy. hrmjustin Aug 2015 #51
A look at me post? cherokeeprogressive Aug 2015 #56
Rush Limbaugh is more yours. hrmjustin Aug 2015 #58
I'm not sure what that pig has to do with my opinion of whose fault the murder of an Ambassador is. cherokeeprogressive Aug 2015 #75
Your repeating his talking points and you know you are. hrmjustin Aug 2015 #76
You see, this is the part I don't get... I'm a TRASH man. I drive a trash truck. cherokeeprogressive Aug 2015 #93
Oh so you believe right wing fantasy all on your own. Very telling. hrmjustin Aug 2015 #96
Yeah I guess it comes to me through a filling in a tooth or something. cherokeeprogressive Aug 2015 #99
Oh poor you! hrmjustin Aug 2015 #101
Eloquent comeback if I've ever seen one. cherokeeprogressive Aug 2015 #104
. hrmjustin Aug 2015 #105
Oooh. Raising the level of discourse I see... excellent. cherokeeprogressive Aug 2015 #109
Good luck tomorrow defending this bullshit when the rest of du sees it. hrmjustin Aug 2015 #113
Sweet dreams. cherokeeprogressive Aug 2015 #117
You're actually claiming to have no access to news media? That's about as honest as this OP- bettyellen Aug 2015 #270
And on that note... LuvLoogie Aug 2015 #47
wow! KMOD Aug 2015 #60
No words? I know why. cherokeeprogressive Aug 2015 #62
really? tell me? KMOD Aug 2015 #64
Because there are no words that will keep shit from rolling uphill. cherokeeprogressive Aug 2015 #67
You should log off and chill out. KMOD Aug 2015 #72
And how many employees does the state department have overseas. applegrove Aug 2015 #65
We're talking Ambassadors. How many of them have been murdered in the last hundred years? cherokeeprogressive Aug 2015 #69
7. hrmjustin Aug 2015 #71
There were 13 embassy attacks and 60 deaths under Bush brush Aug 2015 #153
Not one person has backed you on this. KMOD Aug 2015 #70
The desperation is so sad. hrmjustin Aug 2015 #74
it sure is. KMOD Aug 2015 #79
I stand corrected. KMOD Aug 2015 #81
Expect some more tomorrow but I expect most Sanders supporters will be appalled at this garbage post hrmjustin Aug 2015 #84
I don't support Sanders, but most of his supporters are class acts. KMOD Aug 2015 #86
Did Skinner sell this place while I was sleeping? sheshe2 Aug 2015 #219
This message was self-deleted by its author Agschmid Aug 2015 #112
Yes. And I'm happy to see that. KMOD Aug 2015 #116
This message was self-deleted by its author Agschmid Aug 2015 #122
Oh yeah, unfortunately there's a couple more who are fine with goPropaganda on Benghaziiiii! Cha Aug 2015 #140
Libya............. MFM008 Aug 2015 #85
Sanity. Most DUers have it. KMOD Aug 2015 #87
Rushbo? Is that you? n/t Lil Missy Aug 2015 #91
10 years and 20 thousands posts later? MelungeonWoman Aug 2015 #166
You should be embarrassed. You're spouting lies the Republicans' admitted weren't true. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #92
Leaving Clinton aside, there was obviously a failure in Benghazi--Stevens should have been in TwilightGardener Aug 2015 #102
The GOP cut embassy security. The agencies did the best they could with what they had. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #119
Budget cuts DON'T affect communication. cherokeeprogressive Aug 2015 #125
Oh good God. You're still claiming Hillary ignored his calls for help? SunSeeker Aug 2015 #132
No, actually the agencies involved are responsible for their personnel, for security and evacuation. TwilightGardener Aug 2015 #129
The GOP cut the State Department's budget for embassy security. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #136
That is absolutely correct.... FarPoint Aug 2015 #309
TwilightGardener, Hits a game-winning homer.. OLDMADAM Aug 2015 #207
OMG,the fake "what difference does it make" sufrommich Aug 2015 #213
The "FIRST FEMALE President" BainsBane Aug 2015 #94
Had you read the thread in its totality, you'd know I posted about Ambassador Stevens' death cherokeeprogressive Aug 2015 #103
I know this will come as a shock to you BainsBane Aug 2015 #107
If it bothers your beautiful mind so much, alert and see it gets removed. cherokeeprogressive Aug 2015 #114
I'm not the one freaking out BainsBane Aug 2015 #126
Why bother posting here then? cherokeeprogressive Aug 2015 #127
You think the only reason to post BainsBane Aug 2015 #133
The best PERSON for the job is what this election is about. Live and Learn Aug 2015 #131
Did you read the OP? BainsBane Aug 2015 #135
You are the one that implied anyone here didn't want to vote for a woman. Live and Learn Aug 2015 #138
I responded to the OP BainsBane Aug 2015 #139
And I responded to your post. Live and Learn Aug 2015 #143
Even in this thread BainsBane Aug 2015 #152
BainsBane is right. nt sunnystarr Aug 2015 #201
Not the only murder of a US diplomat, and no way the hell Clinton's fault eridani Aug 2015 #95
This message was self-deleted by its author Agschmid Aug 2015 #110
Yup GP6971 Aug 2015 #225
You Criticized DU Members who went after REpublicans that voted against Hurricane Sandy Aid JI7 Aug 2015 #111
I will always post against Americans who want to deny OTHER Americans aid because of their beliefs. cherokeeprogressive Aug 2015 #124
Not geographic bigotry BainsBane Aug 2015 #130
nobody said to deny them aid. it was about calling them out JI7 Aug 2015 #148
Human rights BainsBane Aug 2015 #115
50th Anniversary of the Voting Rights Act BainsBane Aug 2015 #120
Equality BainsBane Aug 2015 #121
Thank you, BB. Cha Aug 2015 #141
we don't have room for names of all the people killed by obama policies. do you support him? nt msongs Aug 2015 #137
Ambassadors do not report directly to the Secretary of State Recursion Aug 2015 #142
Please Do Not Feed the Trolls TopHatCat Aug 2015 #144
Mmmm - no left-of-center2012 Aug 2015 #147
I feel for you PowerToThePeople Aug 2015 #154
I'm not a Hillary supporter but rjsquirrel Aug 2015 #155
If Stevens was so security conscious, why did he leave the embassy for an unguarded outpost? Vinca Aug 2015 #156
The thing was, he didn't believe in the idea of embassy-as-fortress. He was a classic diplomat. Demit Aug 2015 #167
+ 1000 n/t MBS Aug 2015 #183
Shame on you for politicizing their deaths. Support whoever you want in the primary, but leave this Metric System Aug 2015 #157
Your post tells me all I need to know about you... BooScout Aug 2015 #158
Exactly Boo.. The Stevens Family asked the rw to stop politiciizing the death of their son.. and of Cha Aug 2015 #162
Yep. nt sufrommich Aug 2015 #163
And here comes Benghazi! It was only a matter of time sufrommich Aug 2015 #161
Cherokeeprogressive: another member of the Democratic Underground right wing spin machine. Squinch Aug 2015 #164
Turn off FOX News. SonderWoman Aug 2015 #165
With posts like this, we don't need Repubs to tear our paty apart. We'll do it ourselves. LonePirate Aug 2015 #168
... SidDithers Aug 2015 #169
OP totally not surprising to any close reader over the years Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #173
yup JI7 Aug 2015 #304
Benghazi panel has lasted longer than Church Committee Gothmog Aug 2015 #174
This criticism is WAY off-base. MBS Aug 2015 #175
Lots of ad hominems, but no real dispute of the facts. Smarmie Doofus Aug 2015 #177
What facts? Hissyspit Aug 2015 #199
Wow, you ust jposted a total right wing meme MohRokTah Aug 2015 #178
And it looks like Bernie Supporters got nothing but right wing memes now MohRokTah Aug 2015 #179
I can't believe a fuckin jury on "democratic" underground workinclasszero Aug 2015 #198
Just dropping this here... Bobbie Jo Aug 2015 #248
It's not Democratic Underground anymore...nt SidDithers Aug 2015 #275
I am a Bernie supporter and I was on that jury and I voted to hide this bullshit. Kali Aug 2015 #284
Don't paint all Bernie supporters with such a broad brush jfern Aug 2015 #305
This is blatant RW bluster and BS. Why don't you read about all of the investigations... George II Aug 2015 #182
Increased security Depaysement Aug 2015 #184
You're totally wrong about point #1 and .... Smarmie Doofus Aug 2015 #188
Not immediately after the event Depaysement Aug 2015 #190
What. The. Actual. Fuck??? Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2015 #186
Six congressional investigations have determined Sec'y Clinton did nothing wrong.... DonViejo Aug 2015 #191
Thanks for providing a little dose of reality here. For a while I thought I'd stumbled... George II Aug 2015 #192
The RWers never fessed up and said their budget cutting did not leave enough money to provide the Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #222
You expected the wing nuts to fess up? DonViejo Aug 2015 #224
no Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #226
I do believe sheshe2 Aug 2015 #233
And they're posted with impunity. George II Aug 2015 #238
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2015 #197
We had neither an embassy nor an ambassador in Libya. cheapdate Aug 2015 #200
Sounds like freeper nonsense. JoePhilly Aug 2015 #204
We were so anxious to get rid of Gaddafi we didn't bother to plan for a replacement government tularetom Aug 2015 #206
Thanks for all the supporting evidence in your OP. I appreciate it. Hissyspit Aug 2015 #209
CALL CONGRESS! OilemFirchen Aug 2015 #217
He'll testify to the Benghazi committee with his facts next week. Waiting for updates. n/t freshwest Aug 2015 #246
Hit and run mcar Aug 2015 #218
The recs for this RW bullshit are interesting. n/t tammywammy Aug 2015 #220
Aren't they though? ismnotwasm Aug 2015 #230
Sorry, as a Bernie supporter, I'm rejecting the way over the top Republican-esque BS in this OP. phleshdef Aug 2015 #221
Kick! zappaman Aug 2015 #223
This post reminds me of Fox Noise News... FarPoint Aug 2015 #231
Kickin' Faux pas Aug 2015 #236
Go Back to Watching Fox News dem in texas Aug 2015 #237
Watch your step, folks Bobbie Jo Aug 2015 #242
Indeed. Very informative. hrmjustin Aug 2015 #243
The sad part is BainsBane Aug 2015 #244
Embassies get attacked all the time, people are killed routinely GitRDun Aug 2015 #245
On a strictly technical note, we had neither an embassy nor an ambassador in Libya. cheapdate Aug 2015 #277
I think there was an embassy in Tripoli Rstrstx Aug 2015 #285
Looks like I was mistaken. cheapdate Aug 2015 #286
This is where this site needs a time machine. BKH70041 Aug 2015 #250
Many of us have been doing that since Obama took office PowerToThePeople Aug 2015 #257
I don't see "changes in views" BKH70041 Aug 2015 #259
I'm a Bernie supporter and I think this post is reprehensible. The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2015 #251
So wrong on so many levels HassleCat Aug 2015 #252
Why is this thread still open?!? Metric System Aug 2015 #258
Disgusting RW bullshit LiberalLovinLug Aug 2015 #262
WoW DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #264
Wow, you are either a really deep-cover mole Arkana Aug 2015 #265
I'll take (c) [all of the above] for the win, Alex. nt COLGATE4 Aug 2015 #271
There's been some oddness her lately TSIAS Aug 2015 #269
Disgusting OP... Spazito Aug 2015 #272
Shameless RW bullshit. You have no credibility at DU after this. None. bettyellen Aug 2015 #273
This is the same guy that busted a gut laughing at the black female attendee at Netroots Nation Number23 Aug 2015 #306
Back in DU's better days, a post like this would have been removed by the mods NYC Liberal Aug 2015 #274
One reason why I miss the moderating system. And I say this as a Bernie supporter. Luminous Animal Aug 2015 #282
This message was self-deleted by its author Cali_Democrat Aug 2015 #276
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Nice to see a contrary perspective to the way we are told Puzzledtraveller Aug 2015 #280
The OP is telling us the RW way to think.. I don't actually think they're "nice" at all and neither Cha Aug 2015 #283
Really, Bengahzi, here on DU? Marrah_G Aug 2015 #289
And how could she have funded more security? awoke_in_2003 Aug 2015 #291
This is unmitigated bullshit. /nt yardwork Aug 2015 #292
These were HIS employees who were murdered oldandhappy Aug 2015 #293
This message was self-deleted by its author Agschmid Aug 2015 #295
american ambassador yikes1 Aug 2015 #297
You really failed with this one. Cali_Democrat Aug 2015 #298
Wow....just wow!!! revmclaren Aug 2015 #299
Yeah, the BS supporter of this OP .. owns this. goPropaganda being pushed on DU in bernie's name. Cha Aug 2015 #300
Can someone please move this to Freerepublic.com. They would agree with the OP 100%. Onlooker Aug 2015 #301
it speaks volumes how low some of DU go by taking Republican misrepresentaions still_one Aug 2015 #303
This message brought to you by the RNC RandySF Aug 2015 #302
BENNNNGGGHHHAAZZZIIII!!!!! ellisonz Aug 2015 #308
This Sanders supporter does NOT approve Z_California Aug 2015 #310
This is sad and disgusting dsc Aug 2015 #312
I will be the bigger poster... DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #316
This message was self-deleted by its author steve2470 Aug 2015 #320
Knock knock...Who's there? SouthernProgressive Aug 2015 #323
Ambassador visiting a CIA office with three CIA hired guards who sent for rescue from CIA mercs ... ieoeja Sep 2015 #326
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