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In reply to the discussion: Sanders 'saddened' by on-air shooting, but does not call for action on gun violence [View all]Armstead
(47,803 posts)170. THIS -- His Stances. At least argue based on his positions
http://feelthebern.org/bernie-sanders-on-gun-policy/
Overall, Bernie Sanders believes in a middle-ground solution in the national gun debate, saying in a recent interview:
Folks who do not like guns [are] fine. But we have millions of people who are gun owners in this country 99.9 percent of those people obey the law. I want to see real, serious debate and action on guns, but it is not going to take place if we simply have extreme positions on both sides. I think I can bring us to the middle.
Gun Control: Gun control legislation should ultimately fall on individual states, with the exception of instant background checks to prevent firearms from finding their way into the hands of criminals and the mentally ill, and a federal ban on assault weapons.Manufacturer Liability: Gun manufacturers should not be held liable for the misuse of their products, just as any other industry isnt held accountable for how end-consumers use their products.
Gun Control
Bernie believes that gun control is largely a state issue, because attitudes and actions with regards to firearms differ greatly between rural and urban communities. Nevertheless, Bernie believes there are situations where the federal government should intervene.
He voted in favor of requiring background checks to prevent firearms from getting into the hands of felons and the mentally ill, passing a federal ban on assault weapons, and closing loopholes which allows private sellers at gun shows and on the internet to sell to individuals without background checks.
What examples are there to show this divide between rural and urban communities?
The state of Vermont, which Bernie represents as senator, is the most gun-friendly state in the nation, while at the same time it boasts the absolute lowest rate of gun-related crime.
How does Bernie believe gun legislation in the United States should be handled?
Bernie believes in middle-ground legislation:
[C]oming from a rural state, I think I can communicate with folks coming from urban states where guns mean different things than they do in Vermont where its used for hunting,. Thats where weve got to go. We dont have to argue with each other and yell at each other. We need a common-sense solution.
To what extent does Bernie believe that gun regulation should be a federal issue?
Bernie has voted in favor of a nationwide ban on assault weapons, a nationwide ban on high-capacity magazines of over ten rounds, and nationwide expanded background checks that address unsafe loopholes.
Bernie believes assault weapons, as well as magazines holding more than ten bullets, should be banned nationwide. Why?
In a recent speech, Bernie explained that, in his view, assault weapons should be categorically banned:
The gun show loophole should be closed to prevent private sellers from selling firearms without background checks.
What is the gun show loophole?
Federal law currently stipulates that only licensed firearms dealers are required to conduct background checks. The gun show loophole is a political term referring to the ability of private sellers to sell to private buyers without the need of any background check. Currently only ten states require background checks for purchases at gun shows. Moreover, according to the Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986, a private seller is classified as any seller who doesnt rely on gun sales as the principal way of making their living. Because of this, it is easy to imagine that many individuals who have a regular source of income outside of selling firearms can claim that they are private sellers. This allows these individuals to exploit the gun show loophole and sell guns without requiring background checks.
What does Bernie propose to do about this?
Bernie has voted in favor of expanded background checks for all commercial sales with an exemption for sales between family, friends, and neighbors. Bernie has also voted in favor of a national instant background check system.
How else does Bernie believe we can address gun-related atrocities such as those committed in communities like Newtown, Conn., Aurora, Colo., Blacksburg, Va., Tucson, Ariz., Chattanooga, Tenn., and Charleston, S.C.?
Bernie believes that we have a crisis in addressing mental health issues in this country, saying in a recent interview:
We need strong sensible gun control, and I will support it. But some people think its going to solve all of our problems, and its not. You know what, we have a crisis in the capability of addressing mental health illness in this country. When people are hurting and are prepared to do something terrible, we need to do something immediately. We dont have that and we should have that.
Given that 23 percent of the perpetrators of mass shootings have been found to suffer from mental health issues, Bernie believes that expanding access to mental health care can address some of the root causes of gun-related violent crime.
Learn more about Bernies stances regarding access to mental health care here. Also, learn about his policies with regards to addressing other structural causes of violent crime here.
Overall, Bernie Sanders believes in a middle-ground solution in the national gun debate, saying in a recent interview:
Folks who do not like guns [are] fine. But we have millions of people who are gun owners in this country 99.9 percent of those people obey the law. I want to see real, serious debate and action on guns, but it is not going to take place if we simply have extreme positions on both sides. I think I can bring us to the middle.
Gun Control: Gun control legislation should ultimately fall on individual states, with the exception of instant background checks to prevent firearms from finding their way into the hands of criminals and the mentally ill, and a federal ban on assault weapons.Manufacturer Liability: Gun manufacturers should not be held liable for the misuse of their products, just as any other industry isnt held accountable for how end-consumers use their products.
Gun Control
Bernie believes that gun control is largely a state issue, because attitudes and actions with regards to firearms differ greatly between rural and urban communities. Nevertheless, Bernie believes there are situations where the federal government should intervene.
He voted in favor of requiring background checks to prevent firearms from getting into the hands of felons and the mentally ill, passing a federal ban on assault weapons, and closing loopholes which allows private sellers at gun shows and on the internet to sell to individuals without background checks.
What examples are there to show this divide between rural and urban communities?
The state of Vermont, which Bernie represents as senator, is the most gun-friendly state in the nation, while at the same time it boasts the absolute lowest rate of gun-related crime.
How does Bernie believe gun legislation in the United States should be handled?
Bernie believes in middle-ground legislation:
[C]oming from a rural state, I think I can communicate with folks coming from urban states where guns mean different things than they do in Vermont where its used for hunting,. Thats where weve got to go. We dont have to argue with each other and yell at each other. We need a common-sense solution.
To what extent does Bernie believe that gun regulation should be a federal issue?
Bernie has voted in favor of a nationwide ban on assault weapons, a nationwide ban on high-capacity magazines of over ten rounds, and nationwide expanded background checks that address unsafe loopholes.
Bernie believes assault weapons, as well as magazines holding more than ten bullets, should be banned nationwide. Why?
In a recent speech, Bernie explained that, in his view, assault weapons should be categorically banned:
The gun show loophole should be closed to prevent private sellers from selling firearms without background checks.
What is the gun show loophole?
Federal law currently stipulates that only licensed firearms dealers are required to conduct background checks. The gun show loophole is a political term referring to the ability of private sellers to sell to private buyers without the need of any background check. Currently only ten states require background checks for purchases at gun shows. Moreover, according to the Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986, a private seller is classified as any seller who doesnt rely on gun sales as the principal way of making their living. Because of this, it is easy to imagine that many individuals who have a regular source of income outside of selling firearms can claim that they are private sellers. This allows these individuals to exploit the gun show loophole and sell guns without requiring background checks.
What does Bernie propose to do about this?
Bernie has voted in favor of expanded background checks for all commercial sales with an exemption for sales between family, friends, and neighbors. Bernie has also voted in favor of a national instant background check system.
How else does Bernie believe we can address gun-related atrocities such as those committed in communities like Newtown, Conn., Aurora, Colo., Blacksburg, Va., Tucson, Ariz., Chattanooga, Tenn., and Charleston, S.C.?
Bernie believes that we have a crisis in addressing mental health issues in this country, saying in a recent interview:
We need strong sensible gun control, and I will support it. But some people think its going to solve all of our problems, and its not. You know what, we have a crisis in the capability of addressing mental health illness in this country. When people are hurting and are prepared to do something terrible, we need to do something immediately. We dont have that and we should have that.
Given that 23 percent of the perpetrators of mass shootings have been found to suffer from mental health issues, Bernie believes that expanding access to mental health care can address some of the root causes of gun-related violent crime.
Learn more about Bernies stances regarding access to mental health care here. Also, learn about his policies with regards to addressing other structural causes of violent crime here.
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Sanders 'saddened' by on-air shooting, but does not call for action on gun violence [View all]
Cali_Democrat
Aug 2015
OP
I think he will, at a proper time and in a proper place, respond to this with specificity.
HappyPlace
Aug 2015
#355
Just speaking about it is enough for Hillary but not good enough for Bernie, bunnies.
beam me up scottie
Aug 2015
#5
Seemed pretty accurate to me. But I read up on his prior runs and how he won. nt
boston bean
Aug 2015
#49
Of course it did. Bullshit claims about Bernie always seem accurate to HC supporters.
beam me up scottie
Aug 2015
#54
Keep up. They lied about him taking money from the NRA and not supporting gun control.
beam me up scottie
Aug 2015
#295
No, you didn't address the lies or what I actually posted to refute them.
beam me up scottie
Aug 2015
#302
Too bad you didn't have any to support your claim that the NRA bankrolled Bernie.
beam me up scottie
Aug 2015
#321
The article proved Bernie voted to expand background checks for all gun sales -thanks
azurnoir
Aug 2015
#389
Bernie is soft on gun control...I said it, his record and current statements prove it.
Sancho
Aug 2015
#217
Hillary is pro-death penalty, Bernie is pro-gun control and never accepted money from the NRA.
beam me up scottie
Aug 2015
#142
Another lie, he voted for gun control: Sanders Votes for Background Checks, Assault Weapons Ban
beam me up scottie
Aug 2015
#146
Oh, now you did it. My last irony meter just imploded. Thanks, Maggie.
beam me up scottie
Aug 2015
#177
"It's odd that you can never seem to back up any of your claims with any evidence, don't you think?"
beam me up scottie
Aug 2015
#214
Bingo. But you're wasting your posts on staunch Bernie supporters. They'll excuse everything
BlueCaliDem
Aug 2015
#363
"Bernie Sanders' thinly veiled conservative stances on important Democratic issues"?
beam me up scottie
Aug 2015
#377
Key: "Sanders supported an assault weapons ban and never embraced a pro-gun message."
senz
Aug 2015
#360
you really are something. there is not one fucking word about the NRA donating to him,
cali
Aug 2015
#75
To the contrary..... I have continually said the puretopians will never find a perfect candidate
MaggieD
Aug 2015
#19
You mean like it's true that Hillary is in the pocket of the prison industry?
beam me up scottie
Aug 2015
#122
"Do you think if you keep repeating that it will come true?" This is rich.
Ed Suspicious
Aug 2015
#317
I will agree, someone needs to stop making crap up. Cause the NRA did help him win an election. nt
boston bean
Aug 2015
#50
That wasn't the claim, this was "She was never bankrolled by the NRA - he was"
beam me up scottie
Aug 2015
#65
He also 100% backed Obama's gun control measure package after Sandy Hook
AgingAmerican
Aug 2015
#164
Have you seen the Republican ad one of them posted here, calling Bernie a pedophile protector?:
beam me up scottie
Aug 2015
#368
right and this has what to do with the 1990 election and his voting against the Brady Bill.
boston bean
Aug 2015
#168
Glad to have helped you in any way possible, no matter what it is you think I've said. nt
boston bean
Aug 2015
#184
I'll let others be the judge of what happened here. Your posts speak for themselves.
beam me up scottie
Aug 2015
#186
Predictable. Moving the goal posts because you couldn't prove the lie.
beam me up scottie
Aug 2015
#130
Stop telling me what I think. Either prove your accusations or stop making them.
beam me up scottie
Aug 2015
#196
Well, now I'm confused as to what it is you think. Why don't you tell me. nt
boston bean
Aug 2015
#197
Really? You think I want to discuss anything with you after what you just did?
beam me up scottie
Aug 2015
#200
Ok, whatever you say. Either I was wrong when I said you didn't like super pacs because
boston bean
Aug 2015
#207
Skip the stawman arguments and admit you were wrong when you said this:
beam me up scottie
Aug 2015
#219
I don't waste my time searching for links that can be alerted on as stalking.
boston bean
Aug 2015
#228
What did I lie about? goodness. I just copped and apologized for everything you said I had wrong.
boston bean
Aug 2015
#258
An apology for lying about what I said, but keep digging and kicking this thread.
beam me up scottie
Aug 2015
#265
I said you thought super pacs were bad and bank rolled elections... pretty much in a nutshell.
boston bean
Aug 2015
#267
If you're unconditionally apologizing for lying about what I said I accept.
beam me up scottie
Aug 2015
#271
No, you just make stuff up about others, that's why you're getting called out.
beam me up scottie
Aug 2015
#272
You made false claims about Bernie and about my posts and you got caught.
beam me up scottie
Aug 2015
#278
No, what you are witnessing is my refusing to be ordered around by anybody
boston bean
Aug 2015
#290
Right now there's absolutely NOTHING on Google, Yahoo, Bing, or any of the search engines
short circuit
Aug 2015
#293
The only people acting like the NRA are the HC supporters using this tragedy for political gain.
beam me up scottie
Aug 2015
#273
Bernie is not using today's tragedy for political gain, you are - just like the NRA.
beam me up scottie
Aug 2015
#279
Bernie just uses the NRA to help get elected then votes against the Brady Bill.
boston bean
Aug 2015
#289
ah, ok, what conversation am I having here. I thought I answered something specific to you.
boston bean
Aug 2015
#210
They just ran ads for him against his opponent. Sort of like a super pac does now a day.
boston bean
Aug 2015
#112
Yes, I do, you're saying it's okay to lie about Bernie because others lie about Hillary.
beam me up scottie
Aug 2015
#128
"His current position"? Hasn't his best trait been that he hasn't changed in 40 years?
George II
Aug 2015
#339
Still waiting and still very curious about this. I liked Clinton's statement today. If felt real.
Ed Suspicious
Aug 2015
#329
Maybe cali has a problem with HC supporters exploiting a tragedy for political gain.
beam me up scottie
Aug 2015
#352
Something actually true and backed up with the facts of the candidates own words
boston bean
Aug 2015
#51
They're like the GOP, they think if they keep repeating a lie it will become accepted as truth.
beam me up scottie
Aug 2015
#296
Not even wanting to open a debate about the desperate need for gun control is an interesting
Fred Sanders
Aug 2015
#9
"Although at least the NRA waits the automatic 3 days after a gun tragedy before they do."
beam me up scottie
Aug 2015
#22
Gun laws are not at the heart of this situation, and trying to score political points is disgusting.
Skwmom
Aug 2015
#13
Some HC supporters use the same tactics, abusing the memories of victims to score points.
beam me up scottie
Aug 2015
#25
Anyone in the know knows that the "do not take political advantage of this tragedy" is a patent
Fred Sanders
Aug 2015
#57
Taking advantage of a tragedy to promote your candidate is disgusting.
beam me up scottie
Aug 2015
#69
Just like what that disgusting nation Australia did with gun control right after their last mass murder with a gun?
Fred Sanders
Aug 2015
#72
What specifically did HRC offer as a solution. Easy to talk about it, different when it comes to
monmouth4
Aug 2015
#18
She didn't "take advantage of a tragic act", she was asked a question and she answered it.
George II
Aug 2015
#345
Unlike her supporters here who couldn't even wait for the bodies to get cold.
beam me up scottie
Aug 2015
#353
How long will you wait for actual action to stop gun violence before you realize..
aikoaiko
Aug 2015
#74
I would prefer the bodies stay warm at all times and not snuffed out and cold
boston bean
Aug 2015
#92
Hillary didn't vote for death penalty. Bernie voted against Brady bill and...
SonderWoman
Aug 2015
#141
22 years ago he did, however 2 years ago he voted to expand background checks for all gun sales
azurnoir
Aug 2015
#388
I wish hilly didn't gloat over killing or support the use of cluster bombs or support the
cali
Aug 2015
#133
Unless it's soldiers carrying the guns, then Bernie is not only stricter, he's downright
orpupilofnature57
Aug 2015
#106
LOL! "“We must act to stop gun violence" is a call for gun control? Good god, that's lame!
Bonobo
Aug 2015
#118
What am I to think if Hillary doesn't come out strongly against eating live kittens? She must be in
Ed Suspicious
Aug 2015
#331
People who exploit tragedies for political gain are every bit as despicable as the NRA.
beam me up scottie
Aug 2015
#255
Sanders has been a state senator from a state with the least gun murders per capita in the country
108vcd
Aug 2015
#266
First, Sanders is NOT a "state senator", and what happens in a United States Senator's HOME state...
George II
Aug 2015
#337
Bernie tried that same dog whistle. Vermont does not have the least per capita gun deaths.
SunSeeker
Aug 2015
#380
Nope, Obama is not saying "rural" people owning guns is less of a problem than city dwellers.
SunSeeker
Aug 2015
#383
Although a Senator should look after his own constituency, sitting in the United States Senate..
George II
Aug 2015
#399
Bernie Sanders seems like the kinda guy who'd at least let the bodies assume room temperature...
cherokeeprogressive
Aug 2015
#270
This isn't a conversation about gun control. It's a conversation about Hillary Clinton being the
cherokeeprogressive
Aug 2015
#280
You have some proof of the focus group being done before the bodies had been removed?
boston bean
Aug 2015
#284
Sanders is a politician. His views on gun control reflect the make-up of his constituency. Just as
Metric System
Aug 2015
#281
Race baiting on top of exploitation: "snow-white (in more ways than one) Vermont"
beam me up scottie
Aug 2015
#300
Yes, what would Bernie-whose family was wiped out in the Holocaust-know about personal tragedy?
beam me up scottie
Aug 2015
#307
No, you brought up 9/11 and implied he wasn't personally affected by it like Hillary.
beam me up scottie
Aug 2015
#316
Yes, I saw the video of her in the middle of the firefighters who told her to not forget about them.
freshwest
Aug 2015
#319
Bernie rewarded NRA for their contribution of $18,000 to help defeat Bernie's opponent by
Thinkingabout
Aug 2015
#286
That is exactly what I said, read it again. Bernie gave a reward to the NRA by voting with the NRA
Thinkingabout
Aug 2015
#314
It merely shows the level of desperation. We must continue to focus on the issues.
rhett o rick
Aug 2015
#406