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DissidentVoice

(813 posts)
77. Unfortunately, Bernie didn't have any input at the state level
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 02:52 PM
Aug 2015

I also find the Governor's reasoning of "we can't afford it" somewhat suspect.

My feeling is that there are RW elements in Vermont who probably had their "input" ($$$) into squashing it.

Vermont may not have the RW strength of somewhere like Indiana or Texas but they are all over, and Limbaugh and Fox are received in Vermont.

I have to say that the ACA may be a "start," but it simply does not go far enough.

President Obama disappointed me by caving to Max Baucus on the public option, which could have started the path to single-payer MUCH quicker. However, he didn't disappoint me as much as President Clinton did in 1994, when he just caved to the Republicans, lied down and let them kick him, and then jumped on their bandwagon on a lot of things.

The Republicans, despite what they say, are going to have to wait for the proverbial cold day in hell before they get the ACA repealed. Even in their most-conservative districts, there are going to be people who like and benefit from the ACA.

I really hope (probably in vain) that Bernie Sanders isn't poisoned by the DLC mindset and that he will push for single-payer if elected.

:facepalm: Dawgs Aug 2015 #1
'grasping at straws' 'scraping the bottom of a barrel' Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2015 #154
uh, because he isn't king of Vermont and isn't even a part of state government cali Aug 2015 #2
Now why would you wanna throw logic into something like this? senz Aug 2015 #95
Fair enough: to what extent did he try to help get the Shumlin's State initiative passed? brooklynite Aug 2015 #103
Sanders lent significant support to the effort cali Aug 2015 #126
Some states have to small of a population to make it cost effective. Snotcicles Aug 2015 #104
You ALWAYS have to come in MuseRider Aug 2015 #124
I've been hearing so much hill2016 Aug 2015 #170
you don't know what you are talking about. as per usual, hilly supporter. cali Aug 2015 #191
I'd say that's more the responsibility of Governor Shumlin. Maedhros Aug 2015 #3
he's such a turd. he only got elected because of his promises of single payer. cali Aug 2015 #6
But obviously he tried, he didn't just talk about it. And he recognized the problem of funding.... George II Aug 2015 #94
that is a matter for debate. his administration screwed up in a major way cali Aug 2015 #118
So Bernie couldn't even rally the troops in tiny Vermont, but.... SonderWoman Aug 2015 #53
lol cali Aug 2015 #60
Even though he's not governor, a state's Senator should have at least a little influence.... George II Aug 2015 #98
good question hill2016 Aug 2015 #171
oh and welcome to du, new poster. cali Aug 2015 #4
Why didn't Obama? Fearless Aug 2015 #5
Going out on a limb with little to back me up. SouthernProgressive Aug 2015 #7
partially right. cali Aug 2015 #16
They do amazing work in Pasco and it makes a big difference. SouthernProgressive Aug 2015 #25
yes. Community Health center do great work in preventative medicine cali Aug 2015 #46
We are a country that moves incrementally on issues MaggieD Aug 2015 #18
Change does happen slow and that is by original design. SouthernProgressive Aug 2015 #27
Do you understand that we have varying levels of sovereign governments in this country? morningfog Aug 2015 #8
My senators and congresspeople secure funding.... MaggieD Aug 2015 #11
That wasn't the question asked. morningfog Aug 2015 #14
Are you calling me a "race baiter" MaggieD Aug 2015 #19
I am not calling you a race baiter. morningfog Aug 2015 #30
Glad you walked that back MaggieD Aug 2015 #32
I didn't walk anything back. morningfog Aug 2015 #41
Morning, when the fog clears up, let us know. Nitram Aug 2015 #49
It was an asinine post from a serial disruptor. morningfog Aug 2015 #50
All that one ever has is personal attacks. When I see that name I expect it. then it doubled down Cha Aug 2015 #140
They spend more time on forced vacations and morningfog Aug 2015 #142
She IS a serial disruptor short circuit Aug 2015 #150
... SidDithers Aug 2015 #158
That's their MO.. has been for awhile. They call you a "serial disrruptor" because you have a Cha Aug 2015 #141
Case in point. short circuit Aug 2015 #151
"You just called someone a race baiter because you didn't have a logical point to make." Cha Aug 2015 #155
I have nothing against censorship short circuit Aug 2015 #156
I can see that.. an alternate point of view is all the majority of DU needs now to Censor Voices Cha Aug 2015 #157
Plenty of posters manage to express a wide variety of views morningfog Aug 2015 #164
Maggie is great.. and a Hillary Supporter. now the poster who was calling her a "serial disruptor" Cha Aug 2015 #167
Um, you've been here a week. Bobbie Jo Aug 2015 #163
And, now he's gone Bobby Jo.. Cha Aug 2015 #166
heh Bobbie Jo Aug 2015 #168
Yeah, not very optimistic.. Cha Aug 2015 #169
Well your CT is Wrong Short Circuit.. Maggie is a Hillary Supporter.. Maybe it's you who is the Cha Aug 2015 #165
And Bernie secured waivers for Vermont. cali Aug 2015 #17
But no federal funding MaggieD Aug 2015 #22
In most states the Federal Representatives and Senators still have a lot of influence... George II Aug 2015 #149
hm.. hill2016 Aug 2015 #172
Is that what I said? Welcome back! morningfog Aug 2015 #192
Because he has minimal influence on the Dem party there MaggieD Aug 2015 #9
Or better yet AgingAmerican Aug 2015 #21
+ 1 senz Aug 2015 #100
no, that would be quite wrong, mags. cali Aug 2015 #31
ha!!! wendylaroux Aug 2015 #38
I would use other descriptive words. cali Aug 2015 #40
i know:( wendylaroux Aug 2015 #45
Tell that to the Bernie fans MaggieD Aug 2015 #48
well as a hill acolyte, you know about fandom for a political candidate cali Aug 2015 #68
Seems I have to tell you this every single day.... MaggieD Aug 2015 #72
lol. I ain't buying and neither are most people here cali Aug 2015 #75
^^^THIS^^^ beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #135
BS himself said.. there weren't enough votes in Congress for Single Payer but too many Cha Aug 2015 #146
yup hill2016 Aug 2015 #175
As mayor of Berlington? AgingAmerican Aug 2015 #10
as an influential political figure hill2016 Aug 2015 #173
You might ask Governor Shumlin. That would be more appropriate. Vinca Aug 2015 #12
Post removed Post removed Aug 2015 #13
Damn you! tularetom Aug 2015 #15
This has been posted before. It is just being recycled. djean111 Aug 2015 #20
It's not stupid at all MaggieD Aug 2015 #24
It's recycled bullshit because they have little else. AtomicKitten Aug 2015 #28
Plenty of other long-term posters who are Clinton supporters have said the same thing (nt) jeff47 Aug 2015 #34
What control does he hold fredamae Aug 2015 #23
Do you know any of them? MaggieD Aug 2015 #26
I do. Bernie is very well liked in the legislature by dems cali Aug 2015 #33
Ask Shulmin if Bernie is powerlesss on large ball state politics MaggieD Aug 2015 #36
you are contradicting yourself cali Aug 2015 #43
I'm not contradicting myself MaggieD Aug 2015 #44
Can you show me an example fredamae Aug 2015 #54
Well ask them then MaggieD Aug 2015 #61
Ask whom fredamae Aug 2015 #62
Bernie Sanders' Single Payer Vermont seabeyond Aug 2015 #29
sigh. false hillaryite hit piece from some asswipe who gets cali Aug 2015 #39
daileykos isnt ok? what ever. i will listen to him during debates. i have not heard it addressed seabeyond Aug 2015 #58
so you approve of every critical Hillary diary posted there cali Aug 2015 #70
Isn't Sanders advocating Medicare for all under the federal government? ALBliberal Aug 2015 #186
yeah hill2016 Aug 2015 #174
The same reason it probably won't pass nationally... SonderWoman Aug 2015 #35
Because it costs so much MaggieD Aug 2015 #42
Not to mention the votes. Even with Dem majority... SonderWoman Aug 2015 #51
This is the very reason to enact a single-payer system. Ron Green Aug 2015 #63
Taking 18% off the GDP away is not viable MaggieD Aug 2015 #65
What??? Ron Green Aug 2015 #71
it's bizzaro time. cali Aug 2015 #76
What part do you not understand? MaggieD Aug 2015 #87
I don't understand how spending much LESS than 18% of GDP Ron Green Aug 2015 #96
Because as we've moved from a manufacturing economy.... MaggieD Aug 2015 #101
Well, that's a different way to look at it. Kind of like Ron Green Aug 2015 #138
As I said, every modern Dem president has cut military spending.... MaggieD Aug 2015 #139
for profit health care is not a major employer. Warren Stupidity Aug 2015 #159
Are we dumber than every other advancced nation on earth? Armstead Aug 2015 #56
They make it work with much smaller populations and... SonderWoman Aug 2015 #59
I will stand by my original point Armstead Aug 2015 #67
I believe we should continue to work towards progress in this area, while... SonderWoman Aug 2015 #73
Well you're opening up a whole can of stuff I haven't time to go into here now Armstead Aug 2015 #78
Its not the believing in it part that is unrealistic, its... SonderWoman Aug 2015 #84
As i said above, there's a whole lotta aspects and levels to this... Armstead Aug 2015 #91
Yep, it's easy to afford socialist programs MaggieD Aug 2015 #69
Reducing that is part of the agenda Armstead Aug 2015 #81
what is the problem with socialist programs?? Angry Dragon Aug 2015 #82
A country as rich as the US cannot afford a military and health care coverage? morningfog Aug 2015 #85
We are 15 trillion in debt MaggieD Aug 2015 #88
Yet we can afford the largest military in the world but cannot afford healthcare for our people? morningfog Aug 2015 #90
Hey, I'm all for military cuts and.... MaggieD Aug 2015 #92
You made a lot of assumptions based on nothing. morningfog Aug 2015 #112
Again you put words in my mouth MaggieD Aug 2015 #116
You are having a rambling conversation in your head to which I am not privy. morningfog Aug 2015 #121
universal healthcare saves money and boosts the economy Warren Stupidity Aug 2015 #161
lol -- you sound just like a Republican! senz Aug 2015 #105
How so? Cons love being the world's police MaggieD Aug 2015 #109
All of the other modern industrial nations have their own military forces. Warren Stupidity Aug 2015 #160
The VA is larger than many national health care systems jberryhill Aug 2015 #79
How's that working out? SonderWoman Aug 2015 #83
In comparison to what? jberryhill Aug 2015 #86
It's working so well they are outsourcing some of it to private corps MaggieD Aug 2015 #89
Health care is NEVER going to be efficient or economically rational Armstead Aug 2015 #93
So how do you replace the contribution to GDP? MaggieD Aug 2015 #99
It will always contribute to the GDP Armstead Aug 2015 #108
Sure it can be done - just not on a dime MaggieD Aug 2015 #111
It's not new issue but needs a new starting point Armstead Aug 2015 #114
The ACA was the new starting point in 2010 MaggieD Aug 2015 #119
I appreciate the need to contain costs Armstead Aug 2015 #128
We are approaching 90% insured MaggieD Aug 2015 #130
In my real life.... Armstead Aug 2015 #134
Chin up - we have made progress MaggieD Aug 2015 #137
Outsourcing is the republican way of pretending that defunding programs is a solution. Warren Stupidity Aug 2015 #162
We're already paying for it. jeff47 Aug 2015 #117
hopefully hill2016 Aug 2015 #176
Um Vermont DID pass single payer but then discovered they couldn't realistically fund it. phleshdef Aug 2015 #37
Sorry, I said the same thing in post #104. Some people don't have a clue how insurance works Snotcicles Aug 2015 #115
actually their smallness is likely helpful dsc Aug 2015 #131
No, there really isn't enough income coming into Vermont. phleshdef Aug 2015 #188
funny hill2016 Aug 2015 #177
Its not about size as much as it is about having enough people to produce enough revenue. phleshdef Aug 2015 #189
Hill 2016, you've hit the nail on the head. Nitram Aug 2015 #47
He wasn't governor AgingAmerican Aug 2015 #52
So he couldn't even rally the troops in his home state? SonderWoman Aug 2015 #55
He has never held state office AgingAmerican Aug 2015 #66
and hill2016 Aug 2015 #179
Bernie is a US Senator, not a Vermont State Senator. Zorra Aug 2015 #57
sorry, as a person who actually lives here, that's bullshit. cali Aug 2015 #74
when you post an inflammatory op and then don't respond that cali Aug 2015 #64
Unfortunately, Bernie didn't have any input at the state level DissidentVoice Aug 2015 #77
no, it wasn't the right which really is weak here. it was Shumlin. cali Aug 2015 #80
Did Bernie even try? A speech? Anything? SonderWoman Aug 2015 #107
yes. it really was mostly shumlin's fault. And it's complicated cali Aug 2015 #120
so hill2016 Aug 2015 #180
Just Asking Questions Capt. Obvious Aug 2015 #97
First cousin of Just Saying... beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #129
Because it probably involves people having to pay for things with taxes taught_me_patience Aug 2015 #102
Hey I don't mind paying taxes that go toward improving the General Welfare. senz Aug 2015 #110
I don't mind either. taught_me_patience Aug 2015 #113
The rich should pay their fair share.. frylock Aug 2015 #133
oh wow hill2016 Aug 2015 #181
You really need to get a new act. This one has become stale and predictable. arcane1 Aug 2015 #106
Because nobody has come up with a way to pay for it Recursion Aug 2015 #122
We're already paying for it. Romulox Aug 2015 #123
Well, no, we're not. Lots of people go without medical care Recursion Aug 2015 #125
Doctor salaries make up only a small part of the difference. DanTex Aug 2015 #143
For the same reason Hillary didn't in NY or even the USA -- where she had two chances. n/t nichomachus Aug 2015 #127
Because he's a US Senator and not part of his state's government? The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2015 #132
I keep hearing about this thing called hill2016 Aug 2015 #182
I have never known my own US senators to get involved or make statements, The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2015 #187
One rec...enough said. artislife Aug 2015 #136
Hey Now I was told that they are not into this for the "popuplarity contest" MoveIt Aug 2015 #147
Another Hillary Clinton supporter shoots an arrow into the sky... cherokeeprogressive Aug 2015 #144
Probably for the same reason Clinton passed Stop and Frisk to harass black folks in New York. TheKentuckian Aug 2015 #145
Someone doesn't understand what Senator responsibilities are, look that up please. timesup Aug 2015 #148
And plenty don't understand the limitations of presidential powers. BlueCaliDem Aug 2015 #185
Why didn't Obama pass single payer as part of ACA? HassleCat Aug 2015 #152
Why didn't Hillary get NY to pass stricter gun laws? Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #153
He lost the VT Gov's race underthematrix Aug 2015 #178
his bully pulpit hill2016 Aug 2015 #183
It seems to me VT loved him as their underthematrix Aug 2015 #184
Why didn't Hillary get any health care bill passed? Ino Aug 2015 #190
Why did Hillary fail in her attempt to get any health care passed? Live and Learn Aug 2015 #193
Your handle is the answer to your question. Nitram Sep 2015 #194
simple, he isn't the governor of Vermont. WI_DEM Sep 2015 #195
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