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TDale313

(7,820 posts)
78. You and I have had some really good conversations
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 12:12 AM
Aug 2015

Regarding many things, including Sanders, in the past. And I've enjoyed them, found them thought provoking, done a fair amount of soul searching at times after them... Honestly? Not sure how many more of those are possible when it seems clear that you've decided Sanders and his supporters are the villain of the piece- that we're a threat for wanting to see the party move in a more progressive direction. That somehow we're fighting against things you and I both care very much about when that's not the case. We're not the enemy- Sanders is not the enemy. But I fear you're not able to see that right now, which makes me sad.

Or, maybe we're shedding the corporate skin the Dems have donned these last couple decades... PatrickforO Aug 2015 #1
" Because Bernie's not a 'savior.' " no, he is not. so, can we not revisit this one, ever, again? seabeyond Aug 2015 #2
Sure, no prob. But why did you post what you did if you didn't want discussion? PatrickforO Aug 2015 #7
i am making a statement. i am a democrat. i like democrats. sanders is not gonna be saving me. seabeyond Aug 2015 #9
maybe you don't need saving at all, wendylaroux Aug 2015 #76
That was very well written. Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #65
I agree. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #67
Nice of you to say that, beam PatrickforO Aug 2015 #73
You're welcome! I really enjoy reading your posts, PatrickforO. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #75
Thanks! 840high Aug 2015 #84
vinaigrette or buttermilk blue cheese? cali Aug 2015 #3
that accomplishes absolutely nothing cali. why do you think it is even cute? seabeyond Aug 2015 #4
as I couldn't really make heads or tails of your op, cali Aug 2015 #5
whatever, then go away. you do not have to participate. you do not have to read. you can ask a seabeyond Aug 2015 #10
no. I sure the fuck don't. do you only support corporate dems cali Aug 2015 #15
"corporate dems" name me a dem yawl are allowing to stay within the demo party. seabeyond Aug 2015 #16
ya cali. i find it offensive too. hence, my OP. seabeyond Aug 2015 #17
I have never said that any particular dem should or shouldn't be "allowed" cali Aug 2015 #20
what's a dem yawl? Warren DeMontague Aug 2015 #52
Buttermilk please. 840high Aug 2015 #86
Sweet Vadalia onion. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #89
Evolution has no direction and is neither progressive or regressive. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2015 #6
true that, and i think this is my point. my use of evolution. that we are evolving in a direction seabeyond Aug 2015 #11
We're evolving into a label? Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2015 #22
now the dem party has evolved to merely a label. ya. that. seabeyond Aug 2015 #23
You agree? Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2015 #25
what i am not doing is playing games. you reduce the dem party to now merely calling it a label. seabeyond Aug 2015 #26
Tsk. Tsk. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2015 #30
being a democrat on a democratic message board, i am allowed to like the democratic party. simple seabeyond Aug 2015 #32
Have at it. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2015 #38
"38. Have at it." i did seabeyond Aug 2015 #40
How long do you suppose it will be before we start seeing theads with shirtless pictures of Bernie? Fumesucker Aug 2015 #8
it is interesting how it is evolving. lol. nt seabeyond Aug 2015 #12
LMAO! You mean like Putin?? PatrickforO Aug 2015 #74
Punctuation is not your enemy fbc Aug 2015 #13
blah blah blah seabeyond Aug 2015 #14
Yep - that is exactly the point - otherwise your OP comes across as 'blah,blah,blah'...nt jonno99 Aug 2015 #29
i made a statement. too many get it, agreeing or not. i am not arguing anything else. seabeyond Aug 2015 #31
incoherency is not a positive value in any discussion cali Aug 2015 #93
To be fair... Garrett78 Aug 2015 #95
it is. cali Aug 2015 #96
Seabeyond writes in the style of e. e. cummings, required reading in my grade school. freshwest Aug 2015 #111
do post those links to the comments wishing for the total destruction cali Aug 2015 #18
no. they are all over the place. remember, you cannot understand a single thing i am saying. seabeyond Aug 2015 #19
lol. made up by you. cali Aug 2015 #21
"the gist of it" Are you saying I'd have to read between the lines to see what you say you see? cherokeeprogressive Aug 2015 #68
Wanting to move further left means the destruction of the Dem party? IVoteDFL Aug 2015 #24
that' really the best arguement you can make for Hillary over Bernie? HFRN Aug 2015 #27
i am not a clinton supporter, this is not an argument about the candidates. seabeyond Aug 2015 #33
lol. cali Aug 2015 #37
double lol HFRN Aug 2015 #41
I read here on DU (more than once) that Sanders doesn't need labels. Raine1967 Aug 2015 #28
+1. nt seabeyond Aug 2015 #34
I'm not so sure Bernie needs the D stamp to run, considering the circus like atmosphere our election AuntPatsy Aug 2015 #39
There is a fact that cannot be denied: he is running for the Democratic Party Nomination Raine1967 Aug 2015 #44
Perhaps they shouldn't matter so much, such has been known to incite hate et ... AuntPatsy Aug 2015 #45
Run as an independent - you're a spoiler. RichVRichV Aug 2015 #85
+1 cali Aug 2015 #94
"Daring to evolve" AgingAmerican Aug 2015 #35
ruined the Democratic party. Bernie is saving it. seabeyond Aug 2015 #36
It's daring when you wait for the polls to give you permission to support human rights. Warren DeMontague Aug 2015 #53
ruined the Democratic party. Bernie is saving it. seabeyond Aug 2015 #60
One statement = Everyone else . TheFarS1de Aug 2015 #63
I think there are pretty clear divisions over a lot of things. Warren DeMontague Aug 2015 #66
Good post fbc Aug 2015 #81
Bingo. Thanks. 840high Aug 2015 #87
Great thread Sea ismnotwasm Aug 2015 #42
+1. interesting though, lol. nt seabeyond Aug 2015 #43
Yes, the detractors are definitely not in line with such as Barbara Jordan. n/t freshwest Aug 2015 #112
You nailed it Seabeyond! BooScout Aug 2015 #46
thank you. i think so. too. and... it is good to hear. nt seabeyond Aug 2015 #47
....what? Warren DeMontague Aug 2015 #48
Fuggin' hell, man, I wish you posted more. Bonobo Aug 2015 #62
Obsession ismnotwasm Aug 2015 #69
I love those guys! Warren DeMontague Aug 2015 #90
...^ that 840high Aug 2015 #88
I see PowerToThePeople Aug 2015 #49
nu uh. seabeyond Aug 2015 #50
These Navels Are FASCINATING! Warren DeMontague Aug 2015 #51
Says the person with over 60,000 posts PowerToThePeople Aug 2015 #54
The op has over 100K, but ...so? Warren DeMontague Aug 2015 #56
I would agree with that. PowerToThePeople Aug 2015 #57
It's only August of 2015, too. Warren DeMontague Aug 2015 #58
You think it will still be here? ismnotwasm Aug 2015 #61
I'm not Nostradamus, but I do suspect it'll get worse before it gets better. Warren DeMontague Aug 2015 #64
Just fwiw Warren DeMontague Aug 2015 #91
Lmao! beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #55
... opiate69 Aug 2015 #71
*chortle artislife Aug 2015 #70
I see... malokvale77 Aug 2015 #59
You don't have to support Bernie if you don't want to. Ken Burch Aug 2015 #72
Ken, she's a "Sanders supporter". Did you forget that? Bonobo Aug 2015 #77
I thought she finally admitted she wasn't. n/t. Ken Burch Aug 2015 #79
Nope, I don't think it's her turn yet. nt Bonobo Aug 2015 #82
LOL! beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #83
You and I have had some really good conversations TDale313 Aug 2015 #78
the same people in this thread, that attack feminist in every thread about womens issues. petty. seabeyond Aug 2015 #98
I find the whole Saint Bernie / Broom Hillary narrative repulsive... GitRDun Aug 2015 #80
"Saint Bernie / Broom Hillary""Neither candidate resembles the caricatures " seabeyond Aug 2015 #99
Simple it is push back from the PEOPLE against Corporate Democrats and ALL of the Republicans Perry Smith Aug 2015 #92
Then again it could just be the wheel of history turning round seabeyond Aug 2015 #101
I'd rather have a candidate who can adapt to current conditions and events than......... George II Aug 2015 #97
That's because Bernie didn't NEED to evolve George. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #100
of course he has. vote crime bill in the 90's has changed position today. seabeyond Aug 2015 #102
Not on civil rights. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #103
yes, he has. 2000 he refused to say out loud that he supported gay marriage, was for civil. seabeyond Aug 2015 #104
LOL! He did no such thing! beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #105
i have watched you tangle in this argument more than once. i am not going there. my OP is not seabeyond Aug 2015 #106
Translation: you got nothin. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #107
for anyone interested in a serious discussion, with facts, a thread with dsc spelling it out. seabeyond Aug 2015 #108
You mean their opinion? You do realize that they didn't prove it either? beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #109
Why hasn't Hillary changed her position on the death penalty? beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #113
It was very courageous of her to evolve - shortly after everyone else did. last1standing Aug 2015 #110
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