2016 Postmortem

pnwmom

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17. Not approving the IWR wouldn't have stopped the war because there was an incoming Rethug congress

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 09:31 PM

Aug 2015

which was set to give a blank-check authorization.

So some Dems agreed to give Bush an IWR subject to the UN conditions. He violated the IWR when he went in anyway,.

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Hillary Clinton vs Bernie Sanders on Whether to Invade Iraq - 2002 [View all] Uncle Joe Aug 2015 OP

the democratic vote was to divert war and bring in the united nations and diplomacy BlueStateLib Aug 2015 #1

Yes some of them did take "George W Bush at this word." Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #3

Yes - the best way to push for diplomacy Maedhros Aug 2015 #4

Not approving the IWR wouldn't have stopped the war because there was an incoming Rethug congress pnwmom Aug 2015 #17

You're being WAY to logical...... George II Aug 2015 #23

Oh Yes! bvar22 Aug 2015 #64

Do you think Hillary Clinton really believed Bush/Cheney would act in good faith regarding Iraq? Martin Eden Aug 2015 #15

One would be naive to think ozone_man Aug 2015 #20

Yeah, years later "one would be naive to think" George II Aug 2015 #24

Some are so naive that they never learn. They just double-down. leveymg Aug 2015 #34

It is funny to me, the view you are taking PowerToThePeople Aug 2015 #37

Who might that be? George II Aug 2015 #40

King George the 3rd. LOL John Poet Aug 2015 #47

No, not years later, in 2002, ozone_man Aug 2015 #45

... how weird. You know, that kind of *sounds* like a criticism... sibelian Aug 2015 #59

bullfuckingshit. as Leahy told her, it's giving Bush a blank check to go to war. cali Aug 2015 #63

Do you really think it mattered whether Bush got the conditional IWR that fall pnwmom Aug 2015 #27

There was not a rethug congress when the IWR vote was taken in October 2002 Martin Eden Aug 2015 #31

You're forgetting the atmosphere of those post 9/11 days. The "law and order" party was a shoe-in pnwmom Aug 2015 #46

WTF does "law and order" have to do with invading Iraq? Martin Eden Aug 2015 #51

Terrorism. The Rethugs had convinced the majority of voters that Iraq was a terrorist threat, pnwmom Aug 2015 #52

Should no effort have be made to dispell the lies or to prevent a disaster? Martin Eden Aug 2015 #53

They tried to prevent the disaster by making going into the war CONDITIONAL pnwmom Aug 2015 #61

If Hillary believed GW would abide the UN, she's an idiot Martin Eden Aug 2015 #66

+100 Duppers Aug 2015 #48

Great! Link me the massive Democratic revolt when Bush "double-crossed" them. (nt) jeff47 Aug 2015 #16

bullfuckingshit. they should have listened to their wiser peers cali Aug 2015 #62

More "Hillary-hating"? 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #2

Oh, come on now! Maedhros Aug 2015 #6

Yep. George II Aug 2015 #25

Bernie was so right in his predictions back then. What a horrific tragedy it has all been sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #5

I agree, sabrina, Bernie was most prescient and Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #8

So then why is "your" candidate running for President after rebuffing "your" party for decades? George II Aug 2015 #26

No party is above it's actions, George. sibelian Aug 2015 #56

Thank you for this. AtomicKitten Aug 2015 #7

Congresswoman Barbara Lee. Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #11

A powerful contrast of judgement n/t whatchamacallit Aug 2015 #9

HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Aug 2015 #10

Sanders' standard was the right one. He demanded an imminent threat Vattel Aug 2015 #12

Yes but who could've predicted that Bush and Cheney would abuse their power and lie? Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #13

Uh, everyone who was paying attention. PowerToThePeople Aug 2015 #38

And this is especially true for those in power. n/t Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #39

I don't know -- dflprincess Aug 2015 #42

A most astute observation, dflprincess. Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #43

And to you dflprincess Aug 2015 #44

I was at an event in early 2000, where Barbara Kingsolver was speaking. Zorra Aug 2015 #14

^^^^^^^^^^^^ n/t slipslidingaway Aug 2015 #19

Excellent logic - I'm voting for Clinton. George II Aug 2015 #28

Tricked is actually what poorer excuse than just being wrong in my eyes. TheKentuckian Aug 2015 #50

I agree, TheKentuckian the story was never reasonably plausible and this Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #54

Thanks. You make some good points. Unfortunately, the alternatives to Zorra Aug 2015 #58

This is one reason why Kenjie Aug 2015 #18

Hillary was pants on fire lying about Saddam Al Qaeda connection jfern Aug 2015 #21

WMD Lies Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #29

WHY is the bush recount video included in a post about Clinton and Sanders in 2002? George II Aug 2015 #22

It's a testament to the Bush cabal's lack of integrity, an early warning and the same MO was used Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #30

amen punguin54 Aug 2015 #33

Almost starts out as a Sanders vs Clinton debate punguin54 Aug 2015 #32

K&R to the max. n/t PowerToThePeople Aug 2015 #35

"I cast it with conviction". Well my conviction is that you're unfit Hillary Catherina Aug 2015 #36

You're most welcome, Catherina. Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #41

Great post, Uncle Joe. Duppers Aug 2015 #49

Thanks, Duppers. Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #65

And your point in bringing this up? brooklynite Aug 2015 #55

I don't see how her vote count in 2008 ameliorates her position? sibelian Aug 2015 #57

I'm not making my decision on this and this alone, I support Bernie Sanders Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #60

Wow! DUers supporting the IWR now. UN fucking believable. morningfog Aug 2015 #67