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freshwest

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148. From the interview, the direction the talk was talking is that it is a white problem.
Wed Aug 19, 2015, 09:10 PM
Aug 2015

Which is true, and she jumped straight to that solution. She is right as white people aredoing the violence to black people, and the BLM people agreed with that.

There is no need for a white person to tell black people how to manage their protests, and she didn't chide them as others have. White people need to be confronted to manage their knee jerk response to black protest. They need to listen, truly listen, take a bow and learn from black people how much their white responsibility and power is in this situation. As the man said AAs are helpless to stop white violence.

The last time I saw white people stopping white violence by meeeting it with force, was by JFK and RFK who were struck down in their prime to the grief of black and white Americans:

James Howard Meredith (born June 25, 1933) is an American civil rights movement figure, a writer, and a political adviser. In 1962, he was the first African-American student admitted to the segregated University of Mississippi,[1] an event that was a flashpoint in the American civil rights movement.

Motivated by President John F. Kennedy's inaugural address, Meredith decided to exercise his constitutional rights and apply to the University of Mississippi.[2] His goal was to put pressure on the Kennedy administration to enforce civil rights for African Americans...


Meredith won in court, but the Governor still fought it, and RFK talked him into following the law and admitting him. Federal law, not state law.

Some white students and segregationists, many who had driven in for the event, protested his enrollment by rioting on the Oxford campus.

Robert Kennedy called in 500 U.S. Marshals to take control, who were supported by the 70th Army Engineer Combat Battalion from Ft Campbell, Kentucky. They created a tent camp and kitchen for the US Marshals.

To bolster law enforcement, President John F. Kennedy sent in U.S. Army troops from the 2nd Infantry Division from Ft. Benning, GA under the command of Maj. Gen Charles Billingslea and military police from the 503rd Military Police Battalion, and called in troops from the Mississippi Army National Guard.[13]

Gen. Bllingslea's staff car was mobbed and set on fire at the entrance to the university gate. General Billingslea, the Deputy Commanding General, John Corley, and aide, Capt Harold Lyon, were trapped inside the burning car but managed to force the car door open and had to crawl 200 yards into the gate to the University Lyceum Building while someone was shooting at them and continued to shoot the windows out, though the Army never returned fire.

Gen Billingslea had established a series of escalating secret code words for issuing ammunition down to the platoons with another one for issuing it to squads, and a third one for loading, none of which could take place without the General himself, confirming the secret codes.

In the violent clash, two people died, including the French journalist Paul Guihard,[7] on assignment for the London Daily Sketch. He was found dead behind the Lyceum building with a gunshot wound to the back.

One hundred-sixty US Marshals, one-third of the group, were injured in the melee, and 40 soldiers and National Guardsmen were wounded.[7][1[13]



US Army trucks loaded with steel-helmeted US Marshals roll across the University of Mississippi campus on October 3, 1962.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Meredith

During this time, he was advised by Medgar Evers, a civil rights leader.

Evers was also inspired by Kennedy and killed the same day he came home to tell his family the good news he had heard about his decision. Terrorists gunned him down in his front yard in view of his wife and children.

In the early morning of June 12, 1963, just hours after President John F. Kennedy's speech on national television in support of civil rights, Evers pulled into his driveway after returning from a meeting with NAACP lawyers. Emerging from his car and carrying NAACP T-shirts that read "Jim Crow Must Go," Evers was struck in the back with a bullet fired from an Enfield 1917 rifle; the bullet ripped through his heart. He staggered 9 meters (30 feet) before collapsing.

He was taken to the local hospital in Jackson where he was initially refused entry because of his color, until it was explained who he was; he died in the hospital.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medgar_Evers#Assassination

All these leaders were attacked repeatedly and denied the most basic of human rights. Meredith was a very intelligent, successful man with his own strong views shown at the link. The terrorists have not stopped hating:

In 2014, vandals linked to the Sigma Phi Epsilon fraternity vandalized Meredith's honorary University of Mississippi campus statue by putting a noose around its neck and draping it with a controversial former Georgia state flag. In response, he said "that just clearly shows that we’re not training our children like the Bible says. They don’t know right and wrong, good and bad and how to apply it to life."[1]

Our current crop of Tenthers, Teaterrorists and Libertarians would have called what the Kennedys and the military did the action of a police state.

We have not seen that kind of response since then with white people taking action against violent white people. It is a white problem. The only common factor in all these cases are AAs just asking to be treated as the amended Constitution demands they be.

LOL !!! - I Want One... [View all] WillyT Aug 2015 OP
Interesting use of the campaign mantra of the first black president. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #1
I know right? MoveIt Aug 2015 #3
it's interesting that so many Hillary supporters cali Aug 2015 #8
Say it...I don't care... DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #11
I'll say this, it didn't work last time. Hillary lost, Obama won. sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #69
Whatever DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #135
Just In Case You're Interested... This Is Where I Found Out About It... Just This Morning... WillyT Aug 2015 #136
I don't have 'compadres' I speak only for me. The very fact that you would make such a statement sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #138
But what? This is reaching comedic levels if it weren't serious. Nt NCTraveler Aug 2015 #43
So many *white* Hillary supporters used race as a political cudgel... nt Romulox Aug 2015 #45
And they're still trying ibegurpard Aug 2015 #77
LOL! Yeah, we're all "Hillary supporters" using race as a "cudgel". KittyWampus Aug 2015 #92
Do you mean "Hope?" merrily Aug 2015 #12
My remarks stand on their own. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #13
Not really. merrily Aug 2015 #17
Really. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #18
Nope. Because they imply that "hope" somehow belongs to only one candidate, which is ridiculous. merrily Aug 2015 #19
Yep. Because the seminal poster made a mockery of the campaign mantra of the first black president. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #22
It was not seminal. It was copyright infringement and Fairey did not remain a fan of Obama anyway. merrily Aug 2015 #24
I have no earthly idea of what you are talking about. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #26
The image shown in the OP does not say "hope and change." Of those words, it says only "hope." merrily Aug 2015 #27
That's a difference without a distinction. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #28
It's impossible to argue the word "hope" belongs to anyone, not any one person, not any one merrily Aug 2015 #29
I never claimed anybody's proprietorship of the word "hope". DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #33
You claimed "hope" was the mantra of the first African American President & had been misused. merrily Aug 2015 #34
The whole concept of the poster is evocative of the Obama campaign. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #38
OMG. Defecating on Obama? Talk about over the top! merrily Aug 2015 #41
Over the top indeed. "To infinity and beyond!" Divernan Aug 2015 #47
Over the top is an understatement. BeanMusical Aug 2015 #95
Hyperbole much? tularetom Aug 2015 #85
chill, geez grasswire Aug 2015 #104
Barack Obama "Hope" poster sunnystarr Aug 2015 #115
respect is given where it is offered ibegurpard Aug 2015 #117
Must be I missed those posts sunnystarr Aug 2015 #128
Both the on topic comments and the off topic comments in your post are as short on facts as merrily Aug 2015 #147
You're absolutely right on point (nt) sunnystarr Aug 2015 #116
I think the "first black president" has nothing to do with it Armstead Aug 2015 #30
IMHO it has everything to do with it. I am allowed to disagree with you. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #31
You most certainly are. And I am allowed to disagree with you. And I stated my point... Armstead Aug 2015 #32
See Reply 38. Something obviously intended as mild humor and not aimed at Obama merrily Aug 2015 #44
Oh please, Obama could have been red, yellow, green or white LiberalLovinLug Aug 2015 #99
Would you please look at the Bush sunnystarr Aug 2015 #126
Whether or not the intention is racist, it can only be viewed as a cheap slam at Obama. potone Aug 2015 #87
Yep. nt cyberswede Aug 2015 #146
Oh cut the crap ibegurpard Aug 2015 #35
But it's so much easier than addressing the criticism! (nt) jeff47 Aug 2015 #37
What criticism? DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #42
Because that post is the start of history. Nothing happened before it. (nt) jeff47 Aug 2015 #90
I read the criticism as being against politicians in general, maybe Hillary's brand new merrily Aug 2015 #54
I stand by my assertion. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #40
your assertion is bullshit ibegurpard Aug 2015 #48
I stand by my assertion ... DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #57
of course you do ibegurpard Aug 2015 #76
ouch! grasswire Aug 2015 #105
I swear on my dead mom that what I am about to say is true. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #113
you can do the same with your calumnies ibegurpard Aug 2015 #120
Why don't you cite all my calumnies... DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #125
your odious behavior is right here ibegurpard Aug 2015 #130
Projection DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #133
You left out Bobbie Jo Aug 2015 #139
The discussion you had above, NCTraveler Aug 2015 #50
Matthew 7:16 DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #52
Great post, tis true, you will know them by their words. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #140
+1 merrily Aug 2015 #46
"Cowardly"? What is cowardly about her comment? You may not agree with it but characterizing it... George II Aug 2015 #123
You're right, and you've said a lot. I've been told these sentiments don't exist but they do uponit7771 Aug 2015 #62
Thank you, sir... DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #64
Becuase its become something now changed a few times... nadinbrzezinski Aug 2015 #84
I'll just say it for you. You think it's racist. frylock Aug 2015 #111
courage... DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #114
Hope and Change made a mockery of its own damn self.. frylock Aug 2015 #119
That's your opinion... DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #121
Yes for Republican policy ibegurpard Aug 2015 #124
Barack Obama is the culmination of Abraham Lincoln and Lyndon Johnson's work. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #127
And not a word about 3 specific policies I just mentioned ibegurpard Aug 2015 #131
Thanks to Obama I get Medicaid which was previously unavailable to single indigent adults DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #134
this bullshit ibegurpard Aug 2015 #122
In real life DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #129
Oh please ibegurpard Aug 2015 #132
I doubt that being an accepted message from BS. After all, he is running on the same basis, that is, freshwest Aug 2015 #141
Great post, freshwest. sheshe2 Aug 2015 #144
And this time you are supporting the 2007 candidate of "harworking people, white people" eridani Aug 2015 #150
BLM makes you feel uncomfortable and this doesn't. NCTraveler Aug 2015 #2
If posting on Democratic Underground makes you a progressive... DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #7
Likewise. nt Snotcicles Aug 2015 #36
Is this poster offensive? jeff47 Aug 2015 #39
I see no offense in it. NCTraveler Aug 2015 #55
No angle, just trying to understand. jeff47 Aug 2015 #88
AMEN uponit7771 Aug 2015 #63
BLM is doing it wrong. Which is why we should only take to White people about this. ieoeja Aug 2015 #81
Love this. Exact parody of what I described. Perfect. NCTraveler Aug 2015 #86
How does highlighting Hillary's complete disrespect for BLM ... ieoeja Aug 2015 #93
From the interview, the direction the talk was talking is that it is a white problem. freshwest Aug 2015 #148
Amen NCT shenmue Aug 2015 #118
I'm sure mocking Pres.Obama will work out well for him. nt sufrommich Aug 2015 #4
Can someone do a screen capture? DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #5
bernie is mocking Obama? False. cali Aug 2015 #6
Because Bernie did that image? He worked for Obama's election and he won't even mock Hillary. merrily Aug 2015 #15
criticism is not mockery tk2kewl Aug 2015 #25
Baseless winger criticism is a waste of time, that's what most of the Hillary and Obama criticism is uponit7771 Aug 2015 #66
do you think Fairy's criticism of Obama is baseless? tk2kewl Aug 2015 #89
They don't get it, I'm almost at the fuck it state right now uponit7771 Aug 2015 #65
please get there soon ibegurpard Aug 2015 #75
...said Kerry in 2004 uponit7771 Aug 2015 #79
The Irony is: This is a bunch of bullshit n/t GusBob Aug 2015 #9
A complete lack of creativity being displayed... Spazito Aug 2015 #10
That was the great Jackpine Radical. RIP. nt merrily Aug 2015 #16
Yes, I know, a staunch Senator Sanders supporter I believe... Spazito Aug 2015 #20
Yes. And so much more. merrily Aug 2015 #21
Unrec! hrmjustin Aug 2015 #14
Another crap post. Agschmid Aug 2015 #23
I don't see it as crap, but if it were, he is certainly not alone in being on a roll of crap posts. merrily Aug 2015 #49
This poster must be effective, given the level of vitriol directed against it. nt Romulox Aug 2015 #51
its certainly striking some chords. nashville_brook Aug 2015 #56
Wow. The Fairey poster meme is suddenly racist? DirkGently Aug 2015 #58
Effective at illustrating a meme that at the root of the "Bern" is Obama hatred... yeap uponit7771 Aug 2015 #67
Oh please. DirkGently Aug 2015 #70
None of those have the word "but" in them either... good try though uponit7771 Aug 2015 #71
You're hanging your hat on "but?" DirkGently Aug 2015 #72
Nope, hanging it on context... the anti Obama one that's a constant undertone in the "Bern" uponit7771 Aug 2015 #73
The only evidence for which you offer is this "but" of yours? DirkGently Aug 2015 #74
no, context uponit7771 Aug 2015 #78
So we agree conservative Dems backed HRC last time as well? DirkGently Aug 2015 #83
But Hillary ' s sure trying hard to make it about race ibegurpard Aug 2015 #96
Anyone and everyone doing that should STOP. DirkGently Aug 2015 #100
What is a Conservative Dem? DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #137
Yeah you're right the animus towards Obama is all in folks minds. POSUCS post don't get > 200 recs.. uponit7771 Aug 2015 #145
Uh.. no. Fawke Em Aug 2015 #142
I'm thinking it's people feeling anti establishment and throwing the baby out with the bath water uponit7771 Aug 2015 #143
Obama and Sanders aren't on the same playing field. NCTraveler Aug 2015 #53
Obama passing healthcare is a greater accomplishment than.... SonderWoman Aug 2015 #59
How 'bout Obama passing the indefinite detention of US citizens w/o a trial? OnyxCollie Aug 2015 #82
And Bernie voted no on closing GITMO and yes on protecting gun industry. SonderWoman Aug 2015 #97
When the executive can execute a US citizen w/o a trial OnyxCollie Aug 2015 #149
what healthcare? ibegurpard Aug 2015 #103
I know you'll get attacked for that but.. mmonk Aug 2015 #60
I Didn't Even Know About It Until I Read This: WillyT Aug 2015 #68
Yeap, I've been saying for weeks that at the root of the Bernie camp is anti Obama and anti... uponit7771 Aug 2015 #61
Okay, Dr. Frist. Nice psychoanalysis. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2015 #102
Damn, that would be refreshing. For a change. n/t jtuck004 Aug 2015 #80
Why not just "NO BULLSHIT"? John Poet Aug 2015 #91
It's necessary Bobbie Jo Aug 2015 #101
That graphic of Sanders is unbelievably creepy. Please use it. KittyWampus Aug 2015 #94
How do I love this? hifiguy Aug 2015 #98
After reading through the comments JackInGreen Aug 2015 #106
they'd try to spin it as racism ibegurpard Aug 2015 #112
*sigh*...WillyT? Zorra Aug 2015 #107
You aren't doing Bernie any favors by alienating Obama voters. emulatorloo Aug 2015 #108
Senator Sanders is better than this. You should self-delete. nt onehandle Aug 2015 #109
Harvey Milk on hope: Bluenorthwest Aug 2015 #110
It's ironic Babel_17 Aug 2015 #151
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