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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Has Sanders really always supported marriage equality [View all]beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)127. No, we don't. Direct quotes showing Clinton's opposition to same sex marriage:
1996: My preference is that we do all we can to strengthen traditional marriages, and that the people engaged in parenting children be committed to one another and to the child. We also have to be realistic and know there are others who can do a good job, as well, of raising children, Mrs. Clinton told The San Francisco Examiner.
2000: Marriage has got historic, religious and moral content that goes back to the beginning of time, and I think a marriage is as a marriage has always been, between a man and a woman, Mrs. Clinton said while running for the Senate in New York.
2003: Well, marriage means something different. You know, marriage has a meaning that I think should be kept as it historically has been, but I see no reason whatsoever why people in committed relationships cant have many of the same rights and the same respect for their unions that they are seeking, and I would like to see that be more accepted than it is, Mrs. Clinton speaking to WNYC on the difference between gay marriage and civil unions.
2003: I am, you know, for many reasons. I think that the vast majority of Americans find that to be something they cant agree with. But I think most Americans are fair. And if they believe that people in committed relationships want to share their lives and, not only that, have the same rights that I do in my marriage, to decide who I want to inherit my property or visit me in a hospital, I think that most Americans would think that thats fair and that should be done, Mrs. Clinton, in an interview with CBS, on whether she still opposed same-sex marriage.
2006: My position is consistent. I support states making the decision. I think that Chuck Schumer would say the same thing. And if anyone ever tried to use our words in any way, well review that. Because I think that it should be in the political process and people make a decision and if our governor and our Legislature support marriage in New York, Im not going to be against that, Mrs. Clinton telling Gay City News that she would not block legislation supporting gay marriage in New York.
2007: I am very much in favor of civil unions with full equality of benefits, Mrs. Clinton told Ellen DeGeneres, explaining that she still believed the decision should be left to states.
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/04/16/hillary-clintons-changing-views-on-gay-marriage/
You don't get to create your own facts.
Bernie supported lgbt rights for decades, Hillary had to evolve on same sex marriage.
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Kerry is not Bernie and I agree with virtualobserver in their post 40:
beam me up scottie
Aug 2015
#47
This sounds an awful lot like the PoC smear. "Not good enough, Bernie." is the spirit of the
Ed Suspicious
Aug 2015
#51
I don't know about minorities. I only know about what I'm reading from you. And what I'm gathering
Ed Suspicious
Aug 2015
#63
we come to a an opposite conclusion with a similar set of facts when the candidates name is
dsc
Aug 2015
#100
No, we don't. Direct quotes showing Clinton's opposition to same sex marriage:
beam me up scottie
Aug 2015
#127
Are you saying there isn't any evidence Bernie supported same sex marriage in the past?
Thinkingabout
Aug 2015
#3
I have not spent a lot of time checking on the claim given here but I did not find any evidence
Thinkingabout
Aug 2015
#20
Color me shocked. I didn't really look, and I didn't notice anything either.
Ed Suspicious
Aug 2015
#53
I've never seen that claim, what I have seen is that he supported lgbt rights for decades.
beam me up scottie
Aug 2015
#7
No, I meant the research you didn't do when you constructed your straw man.
beam me up scottie
Aug 2015
#12
this endless attempt to justify Hillary's questionable record is just embarassing
virtualobserver
Aug 2015
#15
Lets abolish ALL laws which attempt to impose a particular brand of morality or "right" on people.
virtualobserver
Aug 2015
#59
It isn't evidence when every single solitary straight person who cast the same vote he did
dsc
Aug 2015
#75
I don't do summaries due to then, I am sure, being accused of slanting said summaries
dsc
Aug 2015
#101
She has responsibility for her own statements in support of sentencing, welfare reform, etc.
jeff47
Aug 2015
#66
So still can't quite grasp the difference between attending an event and joining their group.
jeff47
Aug 2015
#76
bernie is not the perfect saint his fans make him out to be. And, they've done him no favors pushing
Cha
Aug 2015
#71
"It's amazing what campaigns will bring out of people ... Sometimes, their real self shines..
Cha
Aug 2015
#90
Bernie Sanders, 1983: “It is my very strong view that a society which proclaims human freedom
Zorra
Aug 2015
#96
His support preceded hers, and came at a time when it wans't yet "safe" to give it.
Betty Karlson
Aug 2015
#99
Everything has its time. It takes a long time to lay the groundwork for social change.
Zorra
Aug 2015
#120
the important thing is now Libya and Honduras are gay paradises after her intervention
MisterP
Aug 2015
#121