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In reply to the discussion: Has Sanders really always supported marriage equality [View all]Zorra
(27,670 posts)94. You seem to be having a sad over Bernie's better and longer record than
Hillary's record, and that he has clearly, in reality, been much more of a champion for LGBT rights than Hillary has.
This may make you unhappy, but you will find no statements opposing same sex marriage from Senator Sanders, ever, anywhere, like the ones posted below made by Hillary Clinton, anywhere. So you'll just have to keep making shit up about how Senator Sanders did not support same sex marriage, right up until the point where you say he did, whatever year you decide that is.
But it's no big deal, it's all good. The important thing is, marriage is legal. And Hillary did evolve. Be happy!
* In October of 2000, Clinton made clear in response to a question from a gay voter that she did back civil unions -- implemented in Vermont that fall. "I don't support gay marriages, but I do support extending benefits to couples, domestic partner benefits," she said, "and the kind of civil union that Vermont adopted seems to be the way to create that opportunity for people."
* In early 2006, the head of the group Empire State Pride Agenda called for a boycott of a gay and lesbian Clinton fundraiser over her opposition to gay marriage. "In the 2008 cycle, I don't think any candidate can come out and say, 'I am for gay marriage,'" gay activist and Clinton supporter Ethan Geto said in the senator's defense.
* In August of 2007, Clinton reaffirmed her opposition to gay marriage but tried to cast it in a less negative light. "I prefer to think of it as being very positive about civil unions," Clinton said at a forum held by the gay and lesbian television station Logo. "It's a personal position ... we have made it clear in our country that we believe in equality. How we get to full equality is the debate we're having, and I am absolutely in favor of civil unions with full equality ... of benefits, rights, and privileges."
* In June of 2011, Clinton hailed the historic vote in New York to legalize same-sex marriage. I've always believed that we would make progress because we were on the right side of equality and justice," she said. But she did not come out in support of gay marriage herself.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2013/03/18/how-hillary-clinton-evolved-on-gay-marriage/
* In early 2006, the head of the group Empire State Pride Agenda called for a boycott of a gay and lesbian Clinton fundraiser over her opposition to gay marriage. "In the 2008 cycle, I don't think any candidate can come out and say, 'I am for gay marriage,'" gay activist and Clinton supporter Ethan Geto said in the senator's defense.
* In August of 2007, Clinton reaffirmed her opposition to gay marriage but tried to cast it in a less negative light. "I prefer to think of it as being very positive about civil unions," Clinton said at a forum held by the gay and lesbian television station Logo. "It's a personal position ... we have made it clear in our country that we believe in equality. How we get to full equality is the debate we're having, and I am absolutely in favor of civil unions with full equality ... of benefits, rights, and privileges."
* In June of 2011, Clinton hailed the historic vote in New York to legalize same-sex marriage. I've always believed that we would make progress because we were on the right side of equality and justice," she said. But she did not come out in support of gay marriage herself.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2013/03/18/how-hillary-clinton-evolved-on-gay-marriage/
From wikipedia:
Same-sex marriage
In a letter he published in the early 1970s while running for governor of Vermont, Sanders called for the abolition of all laws against homosexuality.[152]
In the House, Sanders voted against the Defense of Marriage Act in 1996.[153] The bill was signed into law by President Bill Clinton on September 21, 1996.
Vermont was the first state to legalize same-sex unions in 2000 and in 2009 was the first state to legalize same-sex marriage by statute. When the Supreme Court took up the issue in 2015, Sanders issued a statement reaffirming his support, saying gay Americans in every state should be allowed to marry: "Of course all citizens deserve equal rights. It's time for the Supreme Court to catch up to the American people and legalize gay marriage."[154]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Sanders#Same-sex_marriage
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Kerry is not Bernie and I agree with virtualobserver in their post 40:
beam me up scottie
Aug 2015
#47
This sounds an awful lot like the PoC smear. "Not good enough, Bernie." is the spirit of the
Ed Suspicious
Aug 2015
#51
I don't know about minorities. I only know about what I'm reading from you. And what I'm gathering
Ed Suspicious
Aug 2015
#63
we come to a an opposite conclusion with a similar set of facts when the candidates name is
dsc
Aug 2015
#100
No, we don't. Direct quotes showing Clinton's opposition to same sex marriage:
beam me up scottie
Aug 2015
#127
Are you saying there isn't any evidence Bernie supported same sex marriage in the past?
Thinkingabout
Aug 2015
#3
I have not spent a lot of time checking on the claim given here but I did not find any evidence
Thinkingabout
Aug 2015
#20
Color me shocked. I didn't really look, and I didn't notice anything either.
Ed Suspicious
Aug 2015
#53
I've never seen that claim, what I have seen is that he supported lgbt rights for decades.
beam me up scottie
Aug 2015
#7
No, I meant the research you didn't do when you constructed your straw man.
beam me up scottie
Aug 2015
#12
this endless attempt to justify Hillary's questionable record is just embarassing
virtualobserver
Aug 2015
#15
Lets abolish ALL laws which attempt to impose a particular brand of morality or "right" on people.
virtualobserver
Aug 2015
#59
It isn't evidence when every single solitary straight person who cast the same vote he did
dsc
Aug 2015
#75
I don't do summaries due to then, I am sure, being accused of slanting said summaries
dsc
Aug 2015
#101
She has responsibility for her own statements in support of sentencing, welfare reform, etc.
jeff47
Aug 2015
#66
So still can't quite grasp the difference between attending an event and joining their group.
jeff47
Aug 2015
#76
bernie is not the perfect saint his fans make him out to be. And, they've done him no favors pushing
Cha
Aug 2015
#71
"It's amazing what campaigns will bring out of people ... Sometimes, their real self shines..
Cha
Aug 2015
#90
Bernie Sanders, 1983: “It is my very strong view that a society which proclaims human freedom
Zorra
Aug 2015
#96
His support preceded hers, and came at a time when it wans't yet "safe" to give it.
Betty Karlson
Aug 2015
#99
Everything has its time. It takes a long time to lay the groundwork for social change.
Zorra
Aug 2015
#120
the important thing is now Libya and Honduras are gay paradises after her intervention
MisterP
Aug 2015
#121