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In reply to the discussion: Has Sanders really always supported marriage equality [View all]jeff47
(26,549 posts)76. So still can't quite grasp the difference between attending an event and joining their group.
Clinton is responsible for her statements, and Sanders is responsible for his votes. If changes in crime policy were the fault of the first lady more than the congress who voted for it, than that would make Laura Bush more responsible for the Iraq War than Hillary Clinton. Of course there will be no more consistency on that issue than any other.
So Clinton is responsible, but she isn't responsible.
Could you pick one, or would logical consistency be too awkward?
It is illegal to coordinate with Super Pacs.
It is illegal to coordinate with superPACs after you declare you are a candidate. Guess what? Time didn't start when Clinton declared her candidacy. Her SuperPACs were set up before she declared. By Clinton and her allies. Now that she's declared, most of her SuperPACs are being run by her allies.
Correct the Record has stated that they are coordinating with the Clinton campaign. Which as you point out is illegal. Fortunately, the Republicans have rendered the FEC unable to enforce election laws.
Everything I said in my post is true.
Yep, you just left out relevant details in order to mislead.
I like Clinton fine. I don't think she is perfect, and I don't treat her like the messiah. I disagree with her on lots of issue She's a politician, not a spiritual leader. I like her best of the available choices. I have never presented her as perfect or anything close. (...) I don't need to surrender my character to support her or anyone else.
You realize your posting history is public and searchable, right?
and you have recommended threads attacking Black Lives Matter.
Yep, I believe their leadership has made mistakes. Now, someone who just lectured about not worshiping and the importance of pragmatism wouldn't use that to immediately leap to claiming to not support the cause. That would be highly hipocritical. So that would be entirely wrong....
You think I'm going to actually take seriously your pretense at moral righteousness? Anyone who attacks movements for civil rights like BLM shows themselves to be diametrically opposed to the fundamental values that are central to my worldview.
Hello, Pot.
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Kerry is not Bernie and I agree with virtualobserver in their post 40:
beam me up scottie
Aug 2015
#47
This sounds an awful lot like the PoC smear. "Not good enough, Bernie." is the spirit of the
Ed Suspicious
Aug 2015
#51
I don't know about minorities. I only know about what I'm reading from you. And what I'm gathering
Ed Suspicious
Aug 2015
#63
we come to a an opposite conclusion with a similar set of facts when the candidates name is
dsc
Aug 2015
#100
No, we don't. Direct quotes showing Clinton's opposition to same sex marriage:
beam me up scottie
Aug 2015
#127
Are you saying there isn't any evidence Bernie supported same sex marriage in the past?
Thinkingabout
Aug 2015
#3
I have not spent a lot of time checking on the claim given here but I did not find any evidence
Thinkingabout
Aug 2015
#20
Color me shocked. I didn't really look, and I didn't notice anything either.
Ed Suspicious
Aug 2015
#53
I've never seen that claim, what I have seen is that he supported lgbt rights for decades.
beam me up scottie
Aug 2015
#7
No, I meant the research you didn't do when you constructed your straw man.
beam me up scottie
Aug 2015
#12
this endless attempt to justify Hillary's questionable record is just embarassing
virtualobserver
Aug 2015
#15
Lets abolish ALL laws which attempt to impose a particular brand of morality or "right" on people.
virtualobserver
Aug 2015
#59
It isn't evidence when every single solitary straight person who cast the same vote he did
dsc
Aug 2015
#75
I don't do summaries due to then, I am sure, being accused of slanting said summaries
dsc
Aug 2015
#101
She has responsibility for her own statements in support of sentencing, welfare reform, etc.
jeff47
Aug 2015
#66
So still can't quite grasp the difference between attending an event and joining their group.
jeff47
Aug 2015
#76
bernie is not the perfect saint his fans make him out to be. And, they've done him no favors pushing
Cha
Aug 2015
#71
"It's amazing what campaigns will bring out of people ... Sometimes, their real self shines..
Cha
Aug 2015
#90
Bernie Sanders, 1983: “It is my very strong view that a society which proclaims human freedom
Zorra
Aug 2015
#96
His support preceded hers, and came at a time when it wans't yet "safe" to give it.
Betty Karlson
Aug 2015
#99
Everything has its time. It takes a long time to lay the groundwork for social change.
Zorra
Aug 2015
#120
the important thing is now Libya and Honduras are gay paradises after her intervention
MisterP
Aug 2015
#121