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In reply to the discussion: Memo to Bernie Sanders supporters [View all]freshwest
(53,661 posts)80. OMGawd!!!! In addition to the obvious RWNJ dog whistles...
Take America back! How very Glenn Beck of him!
From women, minorities and those nasty emigrants, yup, that's really a liberal position, gonna go over big with Democrats.
And as far as Bernie's position on organized labor (unions) and the middle class the unions created:
Senator Rand Paul Submits A National Right To Work Bill
The battle over Right To Work States just took a monumental leap as Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) introduces a National Right to Work (for less) Act...
This is an ideological and blatantly anti-union piece of legislation. It has no benefit to our nation as a whole. It will reduce the collective bargaining rights of millions of union workers and it turn will reduce the pay and benefits of the other 200 million workers in the US.
The national race to bottom has begun, soon Rand Paul will probably try to repeal all collective bargaining in the country!
...Is it any surprise that the National Right To Work committee made a nice donation to the Rand Paul for Senate campaign. Does it surprise you that the National RTW Committee spent over $2.2 Million dollars lobbying in Washington D.C.? I am not surprised considering that there were no less than five Right To Work for less bills submitted in the 112 Congress...
http://nhlabornews.com/2013/02/senator-rand-paul-submits-a-national-right-to-work-bill/
Obama had to veto the Keystone stunt that the Koch brothers have demanded since 2009, but Rand had it on the front burner:
Rand Paul: GOP Senate will pass Keystone, address 400 stalled bills
By Paul Bedard 10/20/14
Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul, who has spent months on the road promoting Republican candidates in 32 states, said the GOP is poised to take control of the Senate in the November election and immediately approve construction of the Keystone XL pipeline, address corporate taxes and reform prison laws.
Id be surprised if we dont win the majority, he told Secrets. I think the wind is at our back, the president is increasingly unpopular, said Paul, adding that there are some Democrats who "would probably run the other way if [President Obama] came to their state.
Paul, who is mulling a 2016 presidential bid, is so confident of picking up the needed six Senate seats that he has already met with fellow Kentucky Sen. Mitch McConnell, the chambers minority leader, to discuss what the new majority would do starting in January.
We pass legislation, he said. Ive talked with Sen. McConnell about this, hes intent on passing legislation.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/rand-paul-gop-senate-will-pass-keystone-address-400-stalled-bills/article/2555012
Isn't he just too precious for words?
Now onto his stance on choice, or rather no choice at all:
Sen. Rand Paul introduces fetal personhood bill to outlaw abortion
By Eric W. Dolan - 17 Mar 2013
Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) on Friday introduced so-called fetal personhood legislation that would completely outlaw abortion in the United States.
The Life at Conception Act would declare that human life began at conception, providing fertilized eggs with the same legal status as born persons.
The Life at Conception Act legislatively declares what most Americans believe and what science has long known that human life begins at the moment of conception, and therefore is entitled to legal protection from that point forward, Paul said in a statement. The right to life is guaranteed to all Americans in the Declaration of Independence and ensuring this is upheld is the Constitutional duty of all Members of Congress.
In a fundraising video for the National Pro-Life Alliance last year, the Republican senator explained that the bill would outlaw abortion without contradicting the Supreme Courts landmark Roe v. Wade decision. Citing the ruling, Paul claimed Congress had the power to define when human life began under the 14th Amendment to the Constitution.
The Court then admitted that if the personhood of an unborn baby is established, the right to abort collapses, for the fetus right to life is then guaranteed specifically by the [14] Amendment,' he said...
http://www.rawstory.com/2013/03/sen-rand-paul-introduces-fetal-personhood-bill-to-outlaw-abortion/
It has been rejected by several states, but Rand has tried to push it through since 2012. He keeps on bringing it up. The O'Keefing of the PP in and edited video is part of the continuing assault on women's rights. It's not wonder that Hucklebee is empowered to call for the army to arrest all women that have had abortions legally after they make it illegal. That's retroactive punishment. With a GOP White House, HoR and Senate, this must may come to pass and with the data base that doctors have on patients, they just might come to the door. Freedom and liberty, huh?
More like RWNJ terrorism. There is a reason as many as can are moving out of the USA in fear of these people. This is not Bernie's stance on this issue. So who will support Rand?
I suggest only forced birth white males who believe women have no right to control their bodies.
Oh, and his stance on same-sex marriage. Is that Bernie's stance?
Rand Paul: "Humans Will Marry Non Humans Without DOMA"
Kentucky Senator Rand Paul (R) on Wednesday worried the defeat of the Defense of Marriage Act could lead to the legalization of human-animal marriages.
I think this is the conundrum and gets back to what you were saying in the opening whether or not churches should decide this, Paul said on Glenn Becks radio show Wednesday morning. But it is difficult because if we have no laws on this people take it to one extension further. Does it have to be humans? You know, I mean. So there really are the question is what social mores, can some social mores be part of legislation?
Historically, we did at the state legislative level, we did allow for some social mores to be part of it, the Kentucky Republican continued. Some of them were said to be for health reasons and otherwise, but Im kind of with you, I see the thousands-of-year tradition of the nucleus of the family unit. I also see that economically, if you just look without any kind of moral periscope and you say, what is it that is the leading cause of poverty in our country? Its having kids without marriage. The stability of the marriage unit is enormous and we should not just say oh were punting on it, marriage can be anything.
Paul had previously said he opposed DOMA, a federal law that prohibited same-sex couples from receiving federal marriage rights and protections. However, he only opposed the law because it potentially gave the Supreme Court an opening to legalize same-sex marriages nationwide.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/26/rand-paul-same-sex-marriage-conundrum-leads-to-marrying-animals/
After the USSC found same sex marriage Constitutional, he fed red meat to RWNJs:
Rand Paul Questions Government's Role in Marriage After Supreme Court Decision
Jun 29, 2015
...While I disagree with Supreme Courts redefinition of marriage, I believe that all Americans have the right to contract, the Kentucky senator said in a Time op-ed published Sunday titled Government Should Get Out of the Marriage Business Altogether.
The government should not prevent people from making contracts but that does not mean that the government must confer a special imprimatur upon a new definition of marriage, he continued. Perhaps the time has come to examine whether or not governmental recognition of marriage is a good idea, for either party...
Some have argued that the Supreme Courts ruling will now involve the police power of the state in churches, church schools, church hospitals, he said. This may well become the next step, and I for one will stand ready to resist any intrusion of government into the religious sphere.
Paul's silence in the day following the Supreme Court decision drew attention. His approach stood in contrast to those of many competitors and to his voluble response on Thursday, when the justices upheld a key part of the Affordable Care Act, Politico wrote, and fits the pattern set when he initially remained quiet about 2012 nominee Mitt Romney's call to remove the Confederate flag from South Carolina state capitol grounds.
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-06-29/rand-paul-questions-government-s-role-in-marriage-after-supreme-court-decision
That's it, Rand. Take your little red marriage wagon and go home since the 14th Amendment allows Equal Protection Under the Law. Oh, that terrible, nasty US Constitution...
There are so many examples of how Libertarians are the exact opposite of Democrats and Bernie. Like oil and water...
From women, minorities and those nasty emigrants, yup, that's really a liberal position, gonna go over big with Democrats.
And as far as Bernie's position on organized labor (unions) and the middle class the unions created:
Senator Rand Paul Submits A National Right To Work Bill
The battle over Right To Work States just took a monumental leap as Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) introduces a National Right to Work (for less) Act...
This is an ideological and blatantly anti-union piece of legislation. It has no benefit to our nation as a whole. It will reduce the collective bargaining rights of millions of union workers and it turn will reduce the pay and benefits of the other 200 million workers in the US.
The national race to bottom has begun, soon Rand Paul will probably try to repeal all collective bargaining in the country!
...Is it any surprise that the National Right To Work committee made a nice donation to the Rand Paul for Senate campaign. Does it surprise you that the National RTW Committee spent over $2.2 Million dollars lobbying in Washington D.C.? I am not surprised considering that there were no less than five Right To Work for less bills submitted in the 112 Congress...
http://nhlabornews.com/2013/02/senator-rand-paul-submits-a-national-right-to-work-bill/
Obama had to veto the Keystone stunt that the Koch brothers have demanded since 2009, but Rand had it on the front burner:
Rand Paul: GOP Senate will pass Keystone, address 400 stalled bills
By Paul Bedard 10/20/14
Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul, who has spent months on the road promoting Republican candidates in 32 states, said the GOP is poised to take control of the Senate in the November election and immediately approve construction of the Keystone XL pipeline, address corporate taxes and reform prison laws.
Id be surprised if we dont win the majority, he told Secrets. I think the wind is at our back, the president is increasingly unpopular, said Paul, adding that there are some Democrats who "would probably run the other way if [President Obama] came to their state.
Paul, who is mulling a 2016 presidential bid, is so confident of picking up the needed six Senate seats that he has already met with fellow Kentucky Sen. Mitch McConnell, the chambers minority leader, to discuss what the new majority would do starting in January.
We pass legislation, he said. Ive talked with Sen. McConnell about this, hes intent on passing legislation.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/rand-paul-gop-senate-will-pass-keystone-address-400-stalled-bills/article/2555012
Isn't he just too precious for words?
Now onto his stance on choice, or rather no choice at all:
Sen. Rand Paul introduces fetal personhood bill to outlaw abortion
By Eric W. Dolan - 17 Mar 2013
Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) on Friday introduced so-called fetal personhood legislation that would completely outlaw abortion in the United States.
The Life at Conception Act would declare that human life began at conception, providing fertilized eggs with the same legal status as born persons.
The Life at Conception Act legislatively declares what most Americans believe and what science has long known that human life begins at the moment of conception, and therefore is entitled to legal protection from that point forward, Paul said in a statement. The right to life is guaranteed to all Americans in the Declaration of Independence and ensuring this is upheld is the Constitutional duty of all Members of Congress.
In a fundraising video for the National Pro-Life Alliance last year, the Republican senator explained that the bill would outlaw abortion without contradicting the Supreme Courts landmark Roe v. Wade decision. Citing the ruling, Paul claimed Congress had the power to define when human life began under the 14th Amendment to the Constitution.
The Court then admitted that if the personhood of an unborn baby is established, the right to abort collapses, for the fetus right to life is then guaranteed specifically by the [14] Amendment,' he said...
http://www.rawstory.com/2013/03/sen-rand-paul-introduces-fetal-personhood-bill-to-outlaw-abortion/
It has been rejected by several states, but Rand has tried to push it through since 2012. He keeps on bringing it up. The O'Keefing of the PP in and edited video is part of the continuing assault on women's rights. It's not wonder that Hucklebee is empowered to call for the army to arrest all women that have had abortions legally after they make it illegal. That's retroactive punishment. With a GOP White House, HoR and Senate, this must may come to pass and with the data base that doctors have on patients, they just might come to the door. Freedom and liberty, huh?
More like RWNJ terrorism. There is a reason as many as can are moving out of the USA in fear of these people. This is not Bernie's stance on this issue. So who will support Rand?
I suggest only forced birth white males who believe women have no right to control their bodies.
Oh, and his stance on same-sex marriage. Is that Bernie's stance?
Rand Paul: "Humans Will Marry Non Humans Without DOMA"
Kentucky Senator Rand Paul (R) on Wednesday worried the defeat of the Defense of Marriage Act could lead to the legalization of human-animal marriages.
I think this is the conundrum and gets back to what you were saying in the opening whether or not churches should decide this, Paul said on Glenn Becks radio show Wednesday morning. But it is difficult because if we have no laws on this people take it to one extension further. Does it have to be humans? You know, I mean. So there really are the question is what social mores, can some social mores be part of legislation?
Historically, we did at the state legislative level, we did allow for some social mores to be part of it, the Kentucky Republican continued. Some of them were said to be for health reasons and otherwise, but Im kind of with you, I see the thousands-of-year tradition of the nucleus of the family unit. I also see that economically, if you just look without any kind of moral periscope and you say, what is it that is the leading cause of poverty in our country? Its having kids without marriage. The stability of the marriage unit is enormous and we should not just say oh were punting on it, marriage can be anything.
Paul had previously said he opposed DOMA, a federal law that prohibited same-sex couples from receiving federal marriage rights and protections. However, he only opposed the law because it potentially gave the Supreme Court an opening to legalize same-sex marriages nationwide.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/26/rand-paul-same-sex-marriage-conundrum-leads-to-marrying-animals/
After the USSC found same sex marriage Constitutional, he fed red meat to RWNJs:
Rand Paul Questions Government's Role in Marriage After Supreme Court Decision
Jun 29, 2015
...While I disagree with Supreme Courts redefinition of marriage, I believe that all Americans have the right to contract, the Kentucky senator said in a Time op-ed published Sunday titled Government Should Get Out of the Marriage Business Altogether.
The government should not prevent people from making contracts but that does not mean that the government must confer a special imprimatur upon a new definition of marriage, he continued. Perhaps the time has come to examine whether or not governmental recognition of marriage is a good idea, for either party...
Some have argued that the Supreme Courts ruling will now involve the police power of the state in churches, church schools, church hospitals, he said. This may well become the next step, and I for one will stand ready to resist any intrusion of government into the religious sphere.
Paul's silence in the day following the Supreme Court decision drew attention. His approach stood in contrast to those of many competitors and to his voluble response on Thursday, when the justices upheld a key part of the Affordable Care Act, Politico wrote, and fits the pattern set when he initially remained quiet about 2012 nominee Mitt Romney's call to remove the Confederate flag from South Carolina state capitol grounds.
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-06-29/rand-paul-questions-government-s-role-in-marriage-after-supreme-court-decision
That's it, Rand. Take your little red marriage wagon and go home since the 14th Amendment allows Equal Protection Under the Law. Oh, that terrible, nasty US Constitution...
There are so many examples of how Libertarians are the exact opposite of Democrats and Bernie. Like oil and water...
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Or, you could do more research and find they have strong positions against police violence, against
villager
Aug 2015
#2
I asked the question. Haven't gotten an answer. I can only conclude that the answer is
MADem
Aug 2015
#53
The only time you ever speak to me, you are making some sort of accusation, just like that one.
MADem
Aug 2015
#136
Of course they're sneaky enough to do that.. It's called "ratfucking" but so sad for them.
Cha
Aug 2015
#139
Goodman is a BAAAAD reference!! Unless one wants to make an "association," that is.
MADem
Aug 2015
#3
That's why none of them ever discuss, and why their tactics are increasingly indistinguishable
villager
Aug 2015
#5
Yeah, like the Rand Paul supporter who wrote the laudatory article, mentioned in the OP...??
MADem
Aug 2015
#25
Wait, didn't you bring up questionable behaviour by supporters first?
beam me up scottie
Aug 2015
#117
You think Mr. Goodman is a Sanders supporter? He's the supporter at issue, here.
MADem
Aug 2015
#118
No, you're not. The objection here is to Mr. Goodman. In response, you're calling out DUers. nt
MADem
Aug 2015
#123
How sad that that's all you got. H. Clinton turned on Democrats and gave her support to George Bush
rhett o rick
Aug 2015
#130
Blaming Ralph Nader for the loss of life in Iraq is way absurd. That's taking
rhett o rick
Oct 2015
#157
Bernie voted for gun control and has been given an F rating by the NRA
beam me up scottie
Aug 2015
#93
Amazing that the one "hide" threw in an opinion on the topic, too....neutral? Nah!
George II
Aug 2015
#17
That was a terrible rationale for a hide vote. Not liking a post is not a reason to hide folks.
TheKentuckian
Aug 2015
#119
By supporting Keystone, fracking, mandatory sentencing, three strike laws, taking money from CCA,...
marble falls
Aug 2015
#71
did or did she not back "getting tough" and welfare "reform" and other 90s racial horrors?
MisterP
Aug 2015
#18
I remember the 'is that a mouse in your pocket' retort to a singular claiming to be a plural.
freshwest
Aug 2015
#54
HC supporters linking to rw websites and posting articles from banned disruptors:
beam me up scottie
Aug 2015
#85
That one has a link to a well known republican site which is at the least is a hidable offense.
L0oniX
Aug 2015
#104
skinner said: "We Hillary supporters need to be better than everyone else."
beam me up scottie
Aug 2015
#109
You can't answer my question--it wasn't directed at you, yet you inserted yourself in the subthread.
MADem
Aug 2015
#143
The salient excerpt is at post 43. A full read of the TOS is always a good idea, every so often. nt
MADem
Aug 2015
#52
I am applying them to those who would use Mr. "I Support Rand Paul" Goodman as a source, here.
MADem
Aug 2015
#142
It does matter what a Paulbot fronting like he cares about Sanders posts in HUFFPO, though. nt
MADem
Aug 2015
#90
And Hillary supporters on DU link to rw websites and post articles from banned disruptors.
beam me up scottie
Aug 2015
#88
'Never ascribe to deviousness and mendacity' unless it's a GOP/Koch/Libertarian. It's their policy!
freshwest
Aug 2015
#96
What makes me "puke my guts out" is swift boating good Dem candidates on DU.
beam me up scottie
Aug 2015
#98
There used to be a joke webstie named that. But it sure seems they have the game down.
freshwest
Aug 2015
#112
No--he wants the race to be Sanders v. Paul, because he thinks Paul can win against Sanders.
MADem
Aug 2015
#70
Goodman is a "liberal Dem" who supports Rand Paul for the Presidency. He wrote an article declaring
MADem
Aug 2015
#81
Sorry, I didn't realize I was referring to the LINK to the Goodman article
passiveporcupine
Aug 2015
#92
Well, that would perhaps suggest that Goodman (who is the subject of the thread) is a plagiarist,
MADem
Aug 2015
#94
Memo to Hillary supporters: Posting a hit piece from a banned disruptor isn't smart or cool:
beam me up scottie
Aug 2015
#73
Nothing like a lethal dose of hypocrisy to go with the daily poutrage.
beam me up scottie
Aug 2015
#77
You're hurting your candidate's chances says the Hillary supporter to the Bernie supporter.
Ed Suspicious
Aug 2015
#79