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Humanist_Activist

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66. OK, this I don't understand, why should it be race vs. economics, aren't they all connected anyways?
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 05:48 PM
Jul 2015

And I don't mean subsumed, you have depressed economic areas that are that way because of racism. Are we to deny that redlining exists, or food deserts, de facto segregation, defunding public education, etc.? Are we not supposed to point out that these issues disproportionately affect the African-American community?

You seem to think that Bernie Sanders civil rights activities stopped 50 years ago, when that is blatantly untrue.

Black lives matter, and that includes not only making sure black people are protected from injustice in the courts and law enforcement, but also to make sure we all help increase the quality of their lives. Its all connected, and I would even say that you can't have civil rights without equal opportunity as well.

To give a starker example, I live in St. Louis, above the Delmar divide(North City), many neighborhoods wouldn't look out of place in a post-apocalyptic movie like Mad Max, this is in a major city, entire blocks are abandoned, houses and buildings collapsing, and is this happening on the white side of town? Fuck no, its on the mostly segregated black side. Its so bad that much of North Side is suffering from Black Flight into North County areas and cities like Ferguson.

Now, its not all doom and gloom, but much of it still is, there are several people and groups fighting to preserve what we can and rebuild that which is lost, to try to build a city that's truly integrated rather than with such sharp dividing lines. A city that invests in its people rather than abandoning entire neighborhoods because the residents happen to be mostly majority black.

Recently, St. Louis city barely passed a citizen oversight panel over the police department, its a toothless board that can't do much, the day they voted on it, a "suspicious" package was left outside City Hall, prompting a bomb scare. I'm normally not conspiracy minded, but that seems far too suspicious to me.

The thing is that, the President can do more regarding employment, community investment, housing, and education than law enforcement or racism in general. The fact is that federal aid in economic issues should and will disproportionately benefit the black community. This should go hand in hand with local advocacy for civilian oversight boards(with teeth) that properly represent communities the police are supposed to police. More community involvement with law enforcement, independent offices for prosecution, and other reforms. But, and this is key, no President has jurisdiction over any of this on the local or state level, where it mostly occurs.

Whether the president is Obama, Hillary or Bernie, they can't do much to make black people feel safe on the street from law enforcement.

Bravenak: LWolf Jul 2015 #1
Downthread. bravenak Jul 2015 #5
depends on how you say it, part 2... luvspeas Jul 2015 #2
Much to my delight I have taken to reading your post Fearless Jul 2015 #4
thenk you, no! thenk you! not at all! most indubidibly! luvspeas Jul 2015 #8
with bongos KittyWampus Jul 2015 #71
He views everthing through an economic lens. bravenak Jul 2015 #3
Would you say that Fearless Jul 2015 #6
Hillary spends more time with black people so she knows better than to pivot to economics bravenak Jul 2015 #9
Sometimes you can learn more about people by hanging around them than reading a bunch of books DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #28
True. Here I go being all pro Hillary. :( bravenak Jul 2015 #29
this is the same reason she is popular among gays JI7 Jul 2015 #57
She takes time out for everybody. It helps alot. bravenak Jul 2015 #58
No she doesn't. Welfare reform. London Lover Man Jul 2015 #75
She should not have. But she still know how to connect and her supporters are nice to black people. bravenak Jul 2015 #78
So is Bernie and his supporters London Lover Man Jul 2015 #79
No. Many of his supporters have spent the past few days attacking black folks. bravenak Jul 2015 #81
She was a Senator from New York. KamaAina Jul 2015 #93
This is why I keep saying 'Bernie needs to hire some black people'. It would help. bravenak Jul 2015 #135
I would say Hillary is racist as fuck! However, Bernie doesn't seem to understand racism and would Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2015 #42
What issue do you see him refusing to address? Bernie has never dismissed police racism as an issue Ken Burch Jul 2015 #167
I'm more impressed with his solution and results than the way he packages them. nt Snotcicles Jul 2015 #10
Good for you. I guess he'll win without us who are not exactly like you. You're BETTER. bravenak Jul 2015 #11
You and your opinions are irrelevant to me. nt Snotcicles Jul 2015 #14
Then why are you bothering me? bravenak Jul 2015 #16
Maybe your interlocutor will get "The Invisible Man" for his or her birthday. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #30
They come to bug me just to say they don't care what I think. Sigh. bravenak Jul 2015 #31
As an ambassador for the white race all I can say is most of us don't roll like that./nt DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #32
I know. These are special snowflakes. bravenak Jul 2015 #33
Um, I was thinking of Lewis Black's 'special snowflakes,' but is this the new thing? freshwest Jul 2015 #169
Post removed Post removed Jul 2015 #85
Look at you, that is repulsive. I might alert. bravenak Jul 2015 #89
It would never get hid with our current hury system. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #95
Being a man means you are never too big to say you were wrong. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #98
Hidden! DU is better than we think! Thank you jury!! bravenak Jul 2015 #99
And that is one of the most specialist. okasha Jul 2015 #142
Gah!!! No more this stuff. I wish it stop soon. Ahhhh!!! bravenak Jul 2015 #143
Obama supporters have dealt with B.S. about him for 6+ years and some Bernie supporters stevenleser Jul 2015 #174
He deserved to get that post hidden. Ken Burch Jul 2015 #146
Silly season and a few not quite real supporters being loud and drowing out all the good stuff. bravenak Jul 2015 #148
Online trolling and real life trolling below: freshwest Jul 2015 #173
Unreal.. so glad you're on here, bravenak.. need I say .. your opinions are very relevant to Cha Jul 2015 #103
Thank you. bravenak Jul 2015 #104
You're too kind.. I think they're acting like.. Cha Jul 2015 #110
Well... This will go down as the longest just deliberation ever... Results Glassunion Jul 2015 #132
Wow. Jesus. bravenak Jul 2015 #133
He's trying to be relevant. ismnotwasm Jul 2015 #154
Gah! So random. bravenak Jul 2015 #155
That was a snotty thing to say.... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #25
Well isn't that just par for the course Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #41
Ummmmmm BooScout Jul 2015 #47
HERE IT IS, FOLKS!! ***RIGHT HERE*** Number23 Jul 2015 #117
Results... Major Nikon Jul 2015 #145
That's not over the top at all n/t arcane1 Jul 2015 #21
After 17000 rude condescending comments from bernie supporters I'm not in the mood for bullshit. bravenak Jul 2015 #24
You're right. okasha Jul 2015 #144
What results can you point to since he was in congress? Renew Deal Jul 2015 #83
I just got home and logged on. My Post button was all lit up Snotcicles Jul 2015 #126
So, LWolf Jul 2015 #12
Pretty much. His message is not for us. bravenak Jul 2015 #13
Thank you. nt LWolf Jul 2015 #15
De nada. bravenak Jul 2015 #19
Why were his previous comments on it not good enough? jeff47 Jul 2015 #87
He needs to spend time with black people. His message was crafted for people like you, not me. bravenak Jul 2015 #91
So, a sort of "Just doesn't sound right" kind of thing? jeff47 Jul 2015 #94
Kinda. Yes. Like a let us tell you what we need thing. bravenak Jul 2015 #100
Thank you, Bravenak Cali_Democrat Jul 2015 #17
Thank you!!! bravenak Jul 2015 #18
Keep in mind... Cali_Democrat Jul 2015 #20
I know. But the ones who get it really get it good. bravenak Jul 2015 #22
Yep...some definitely get it... Cali_Democrat Jul 2015 #23
The best, really!-nt Anansi1171 Jul 2015 #90
Do you have evidence to support your assertions? You seem to think he can't walk and chew... Humanist_Activist Jul 2015 #34
Have you paid attention AT ALL the last few days? If I get one more angry condescending lecture bravenak Jul 2015 #35
If you know his damn record, stop misrepresenting it. Is that too much to ask? n/t Humanist_Activist Jul 2015 #37
Stop condescending to me. I am not a damn child. I misrepresent nothing. bravenak Jul 2015 #38
Where is the attack? Indeed, where is the condescension? In fact, where is the evidence that... Humanist_Activist Jul 2015 #39
Lecturing me on his record like I never knew. bravenak Jul 2015 #43
Going by your post on this thread, I honestly thought you didn't know, I haven't been in... Humanist_Activist Jul 2015 #50
Oh. Well okay. We all know by now, fyi. bravenak Jul 2015 #51
take a good look at his record HFRN Jul 2015 #113
Post removed Post removed Jul 2015 #114
Where's Jaime Lanister when we need him? Fozzledick Jul 2015 #129
I like Bernie just fine. bravenak Jul 2015 #131
Glad I never commented on this on Twitter.... John Poet Jul 2015 #147
Hee hee hee! You did good. Stay out of the fray. bravenak Jul 2015 #149
Sorry about that hidden thread. You did not deserve that. stevenleser Jul 2015 #175
His record includes his reaction at Net roots BainsBane Jul 2015 #52
OK, this I don't understand, why should it be race vs. economics, aren't they all connected anyways? Humanist_Activist Jul 2015 #66
They are interconnected, but race is not secondary to economics BainsBane Jul 2015 #76
"Sanders seems to believe it is all the result of poverty." Evidence for this statement? Humanist_Activist Jul 2015 #97
What has he said to suggest otherwise? BainsBane Jul 2015 #124
I'm not sure what you are asking for here, has Bernie Sanders ever said that racial... Humanist_Activist Jul 2015 #137
My point was that he sees economics as the cause BainsBane Jul 2015 #177
As the cause of what? Racism? Police violence? Humanist_Activist Jul 2015 #179
I wonder if Sanders thinks it's about poverty and that Ed Suspicious Jul 2015 #128
What's to be said for it okasha Jul 2015 #150
Yeah, this is impossible. I hope Bernie can come up with an answer you all approve Ed Suspicious Jul 2015 #151
As a Sanders supporter, I am truly embarrassed... TDale313 Jul 2015 #69
Sanders is reaching out to the black community right now. bravenak Jul 2015 #70
I think it is a positive sign. TDale313 Jul 2015 #80
Not an either / or BOSNYCDC Jul 2015 #45
Sorry but this is exactly what I mean. This is not helpful. Thanks though. bravenak Jul 2015 #46
What would be helpful? BOSNYCDC Jul 2015 #48
We are talking about racism and it always gets deflected in favor of something else. bravenak Jul 2015 #49
Community empowerment through health and economics can absolutely move us closer to social justice BOSNYCDC Jul 2015 #55
See, we don't want you to add to or change the subject. That's the problem. bravenak Jul 2015 #56
I am "we", and we can disagree BOSNYCDC Jul 2015 #59
Here go the lectures from well meaning liberals. bravenak Jul 2015 #60
Not once have I suggested what you should focus on BOSNYCDC Jul 2015 #61
Fine. Okay. Just have had too many lectures. bravenak Jul 2015 #62
Sounds good. Take care. n/t BOSNYCDC Jul 2015 #63
Oh, here's something that was broadcast in my area about this locally: Humanist_Activist Jul 2015 #68
Thanks for sharing this BOSNYCDC Jul 2015 #88
so do the Koch brothers HFRN Jul 2015 #101
That had nothing to do with anything. I do not care about the Kochs today. bravenak Jul 2015 #102
of course you don't - you're not a 'dot connecter' nt HFRN Jul 2015 #105
That is calling me stupid. I think i will alert. I have never alerted so many posts in one day. bravenak Jul 2015 #106
be sure to post the result nt HFRN Jul 2015 #108
No. bravenak Jul 2015 #109
bravenak.. You know what you can tell from jury comments? MrMickeysMom Jul 2015 #115
I think 2 of the explanations were pretty clear HFRN Jul 2015 #116
Yes. That is par for the course. bravenak Jul 2015 #121
This message was self-deleted by its author HFRN Jul 2015 #180
What makes you so much more intelligent than your interlocutor? DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #127
what's the punchline? nt HFRN Jul 2015 #138
You/nt DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #139
now you did it HFRN Jul 2015 #140
LOL/nt DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #141
We have an amazing poster who is always willing to talk about this issue. NCTraveler Jul 2015 #7
I find both of your polls offensive... luvspeas Jul 2015 #26
Yeah and here's why... Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #27
Post removed Post removed Jul 2015 #44
Can I ask you a question? Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #53
Admittedly, I am furious, so I will allow this OP and thread to illustrate the points... Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2015 #65
I think maybe you have me confused with someone else. Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #73
You asked if I would allow you to ask me a question. What's your question? Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2015 #77
I don't know man I forget. Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #84
I'm a LADY! Go Steelers! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2015 #92
LOL so sorry about that. Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #96
Ironically, Bernie gets accused of NOT being two faced nt HFRN Jul 2015 #111
Yes, but keep in mind rock Jul 2015 #36
Post removed Post removed Jul 2015 #40
some people on the left frame things through a class based analysis. guillaumeb Jul 2015 #54
Gee, I thought it did. But what do I know? Comrade Grumpy Jul 2015 #64
How to post crap like this. bravenak Jul 2015 #67
I have never seen anything like that on a "progressive board" before. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #72
No shit. Skinner may need to do something soon. bravenak Jul 2015 #74
+1 Historic NY Jul 2015 #178
Just when I thought all of these non-black people running to vote "yes" would be the most Number23 Jul 2015 #119
Ready to burn DU to the ground. Start a fire and cleanse this place. They act like Jehovah witnesses bravenak Jul 2015 #120
And Liberal_Stalwart is the first casualty. On a time out for what looks like three months Number23 Jul 2015 #122
They got me too. I said, youse a hater. Hidden 4-3. bravenak Jul 2015 #123
Oh wow.. 'cause of course no one can feel the hate. Cha Jul 2015 #162
I know, right? bravenak Jul 2015 #165
Comrade Grumpy I got my eye on you... luvspeas Jul 2015 #86
Get lost n/t. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2015 #171
wow. it took you this long to come up with that? luvspeas Jul 2015 #176
Apparently you need to get a clue.. Cha Jul 2015 #112
It sounds like you are trying to say "all lives matter?" Renew Deal Jul 2015 #82
wow, quite some attacks going on in these threads. delrem Jul 2015 #107
how many who answered here are black? ibegurpard Jul 2015 #118
That is a very true point BainsBane Jul 2015 #125
The ones who got alerted on or hidden in this thread are the black ones. Always. bravenak Jul 2015 #136
kind of like the movies BainsBane Jul 2015 #170
Post removed Post removed Jul 2015 #130
That works both ways but I bet you already knew that. nc4bo Jul 2015 #134
I'm still trying to figure out ... NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #152
I am in very rare agreement with you ibegurpard Jul 2015 #153
The point is to engage in dialog around specific point of fact statements. Fearless Jul 2015 #157
What doesn't work ... NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #158
The point was to answer the question asked not to find out if someone supported Bernie or not. Fearless Jul 2015 #159
On a site that is 85% Bernie supporters ... NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #163
^ Zorra Jul 2015 #156
Who cares? No, really. Recursion Jul 2015 #160
We actually are projected to pick up the Senate currently. Fearless Jul 2015 #161
How does "the right voice" overcome gerrymandering? Recursion Jul 2015 #164
The right voice inspires people to go to the polls. Fearless Jul 2015 #166
As a white guy, I'm not really qualified to make any definitive statement mythology Jul 2015 #168
not rich black people that much Doctor_J Jul 2015 #172
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