2016 Postmortem

freshwest

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68. It provides those things to Vermonters, and built the lovely Burlington waterfront.

Sun Jul 5, 2015, 12:48 AM

Jul 2015

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Maybe not everyone's kids and healthcare. Vermont's. Just like every red and blue state vies for those good old MIC billions and trillions.

When people talk about secrets and money disappearing, I just roll my eyes. It's public knowledge, if they would take it all in and think a minute. That money pays for members of their communities, even if it's not them. I've never made a direct profit from those jobs but may have benefited indirectly from a host of actions that could be considered abominable. What does one do while living under a social contract with others, then?

The Senators from a state are like barons who feed their people. Not all people, those with connections. Those who get the good salaries, are of every political persuasion.

Vermont still has poverty and begs for aid every winter for its citizens, although Vermont has a prosperous upper middle class building fighters.

Bernie makes the case for the poor but clearly not everyone in Vermont supports the programs for the poor with their money. They wouldn't pay enough taxes to fund the single payer health care some sought to get as allowable under the ACA. Or is it maybe they couldn't afford it?

Things are always more complicated than they appear. Just like things in the side view mirror are 'closer than they appear' since you're talking about someone's wages and quality of life.

Not saying the people of Vermont are bad people. This is in every state. Whether the deficit of unity is 'why we can't have nice things' and get a Scandinavian style system in the USA can be overcome, IDK. Their unity is built on 'we are all together' but we're determined to be different and individuals even if destroys it all.

Happy Fourth of July, what's left of it, MADem! This has been the warmest Fourth I've ever had over here, so that's something.

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Sanders: I'm not "going to let some damn war cost me the election." [View all] wyldwolf Jul 2015 OP

Interesting. Not anything that would affect my support of Bernie, though. djean111 Jul 2015 #1

Third Wayer = Republican Lite,, thank you for using the law....Stand Your Ground !!! Floridian !! orpupilofnature57 Jul 2015 #5

Link Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #30

To what? n/t Bellower Jul 2015 #51

To substantiate the fact that Debbie Wasserman is a bully for Hill and the DNC, job pandering I say. orpupilofnature57 Jul 2015 #84

Common sense and watching her speak.com, there does that make it real . She is a DNC bully,,,fact . orpupilofnature57 Jul 2015 #83

Digging deep. Real deep. kath Jul 2015 #2

+ 1000 Well Put !!!!!! orpupilofnature57 Jul 2015 #4

Yep MissDeeds Jul 2015 #22

And opposing the war was the right call... Bellower Jul 2015 #52

A lot of things reek around here. Agschmid Jul 2015 #56

It's hilarious that the Hillary folks are relying on morningfog Jul 2015 #86

I don't know Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #110

Are you new to DU? It seems like the tribal board wars morningfog Jul 2015 #111

No, but it looks like Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #116

You've got to be kidding, 2005 WMD'S until last month Pro TPP, not 25 yrs ago, NOW . orpupilofnature57 Jul 2015 #3

im of the mind that what is most important is Bernie today Sheepshank Jul 2015 #6

Trying not to attack Hillary, but integrity wise, Bernie shreds her in the polls . orpupilofnature57 Jul 2015 #7

yes - more than half of Americans don't trust her. kath Jul 2015 #9

Lots of people pretty hyper about posting " not trustworthy " posts about Hillary Sheepshank Jul 2015 #13

Well it's a bad subject to get in to if your a Hillary supporter . orpupilofnature57 Jul 2015 #15

It's going to start getting pretty uncomfortable for Bernie supporters Sheepshank Jul 2015 #23

Of course Hillary won't be going in to shark infested waters as soon as they Debate, and even though orpupilofnature57 Jul 2015 #85

Bull...just glance through the headings in this page. Sheepshank Jul 2015 #94

All sheeple, Sheepshank digging a hole by the minute, see ya in March . orpupilofnature57 Jul 2015 #96

The press is beginning to take notice too. revmclaren Jul 2015 #21

Oh yeah--the press totally lives in the Real World. truebluegreen Jul 2015 #26

Real or not, people listen to them revmclaren Jul 2015 #31

Do they? Listen to them? We know Fux viewers do, that is evident. truebluegreen Jul 2015 #46

You roll your eyes at the media on this thread Sheepshank Jul 2015 #33

What does "Bernie supporter are upholding the press as them as a bastion of honesty and decency truebluegreen Jul 2015 #44

Typos corrected...that was a terrible read...sorry Sheepshank Jul 2015 #50

s'OK truebluegreen Jul 2015 #54

Ouch. sheshe2 Jul 2015 #71

Your record follows, just as Hillary's saying she was a Goldwater girl and was 16 until afew weeks Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #32

Okay, but this - Aerows Jul 2015 #35

This is not stop because the GOP is already getting geared up on the socialist theme. Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #38

It's stupid Aerows Jul 2015 #40

You are right, let the GOP have to work hard, we don't need to do their footwork. Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #49

"We are better than this" Aerows Jul 2015 #59

And this article is supposedly... CoffeeCat Jul 2015 #65

Half of Americans are not democrats revmclaren Jul 2015 #42

But people evolve over the years... revmclaren Jul 2015 #8

Not everybody is wooed by Poetry & Platitudes, speech coached soliloquies, with nothing orpupilofnature57 Jul 2015 #12

Sanders doesn't have speech writers? revmclaren Jul 2015 #16

Plans and numbers, not cheers and waves like a coroneted queen . orpupilofnature57 Jul 2015 #17

Omy your going to have a sad after the primaries... revmclaren Jul 2015 #18

Just this week I was in Madison with 10,000 of my friends supporting our candidate. Ed Suspicious Jul 2015 #61

I got blocked in your group for ASKING a question, so cling on to those bits of 27, and make beleive orpupilofnature57 Jul 2015 #82

Results of your Jury Service -- 0-7 LEAVE IT nashville_brook Jul 2015 #99

Thank You orpupilofnature57 Jul 2015 #113

I was number 5 on the jury when you were alerted. The alert is below guillaumeb Jul 2015 #100

Thank You, And I agree . orpupilofnature57 Jul 2015 #114

he also doesn.t need a teleprompter restorefreedom Jul 2015 #20

Oh the dreded TelePrompter.... revmclaren Jul 2015 #25

i would not care about a prompter restorefreedom Jul 2015 #39

This message was self-deleted by its author Sheepshank Jul 2015 #45

Lgbt rights, immigrant rights, women's rights.... revmclaren Jul 2015 #47

workers rights, 99% rights, transparency in government, publicly funded elections, restorefreedom Jul 2015 #106

Sorry but heard them all... revmclaren Jul 2015 #118

not bashing. want answers. she does not give answers other than the usual vague centrist fare restorefreedom Jul 2015 #119

I find it interesting that this is the exact arguments RWers used against Obama Sheepshank Jul 2015 #34

please see 39 restorefreedom Jul 2015 #41

Please see your post #20, of course you care Sheepshank Jul 2015 #48

Why would you attack a Democratic candidate with a right wing meme? JTFrog Jul 2015 #98

suggesting she avoids details on purpose or can't talk without a prompter is not rw. restorefreedom Jul 2015 #105

That's just, like, your opinion man. JTFrog Jul 2015 #107

it is not right wing at all restorefreedom Jul 2015 #115

oh dear I get the first part but everything underthematrix Jul 2015 #55

He voted against the IWR, THOUGH!!!!!! (Hot-breathed panting...) MADem Jul 2015 #10

And he's voted to pour billions--that's billions-with-a-b-- okasha Jul 2015 #60

That's a valid policy question, too. MADem Jul 2015 #63

It provides those things to Vermonters, and built the lovely Burlington waterfront. freshwest Jul 2015 #68

VT has suburban and rural concerns, as opposed to urban ones, as well. MADem Jul 2015 #73

All politics is local???? Really? So it's ok for Hillary to not burn down Wall Street? Sancho Jul 2015 #88

I am not arguing with a single point you make. MADem Jul 2015 #89

I didn't mean you personally... Sancho Jul 2015 #92

Very good, sadoldgirl Jul 2015 #11

+ 1000 !!!!!! orpupilofnature57 Jul 2015 #14

this is equivalent restorefreedom Jul 2015 #19

I agree with Senator Sanders. Liberating Kosovo... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #24

Mic Drop.... sgtbenobo Jul 2015 #27

Sorry, I am a Bernie supporter, sadoldgirl Jul 2015 #29

And that is the Aerows Jul 2015 #37

You honestly think that fencing them in and letting them kill each other is somehow more enlightened Downtown Hound Jul 2015 #80

That is the sane kind of military campaign I can support... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #93

There are a few times I will support military intervention Downtown Hound Jul 2015 #108

I don't oppose all use of force just the use of force that does more harm than good. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #109

It did. Aerows Jul 2015 #36

Tell me more Aerows Jul 2015 #28

Who ever thought that image was a good idea? MADem Jul 2015 #53

It has been gleefully Aerows Jul 2015 #58

I've seen what he actually said in that particular work of fiction re-iterated here. MADem Jul 2015 #62

The biggest question Aerows Jul 2015 #64

Someone said that Obama failed in his presidency because he opposed whirled peas.... MADem Jul 2015 #66

I've always said, he's not radical, but a conventional Democratic type. Votes with Dems 98% of the freshwest Jul 2015 #43

Yep. The pink unicorn okasha Jul 2015 #67

But you know, I agree with his positions, really. I would hate to see the ideas forgotten. freshwest Jul 2015 #70

The one position that I have serious reservations okasha Jul 2015 #75

Funny, I've never heard him posit this "unshakeable belief." Scuba Jul 2015 #81

Selective deafness. okasha Jul 2015 #103

LOL ...keep trying. L0oniX Jul 2015 #57

Don't worry there will be more! Rosa Luxemburg Jul 2015 #77

another great article from this site..... ARE DEMOCRATS STEALING THIS ELECTION? virtualobserver Jul 2015 #69

Thank you, v.o. kath Jul 2015 #74

you can't blame them, they have so little to work with. virtualobserver Jul 2015 #76

I was not aware he voted for the war in 1999. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #72

Oh, I was. History repeats. Humans adapt. freshwest Jul 2015 #78

The article is about 1989, ten years prior to 1999. Read it again. Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #90

The top says 1999. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #95

Sorry don't care. Kalidurga Jul 2015 #79

Sanders past is no secret, and his choice to abandon the approach these advocates Jefferson23 Jul 2015 #87

It's interesting to see you post an editorial that is so deeply negative toward the Clintons... Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #91

This is shameful. bobbobbins01 Jul 2015 #97

"according to a staff member" Babel_17 Jul 2015 #101

Ah, the Liberty Union Party HassleCat Jul 2015 #102

Facts and history don't matter on DU when it comes to Warren or Sanders. Metric System Jul 2015 #104

Starving for someone to trust will do that, of course if your PHAT and blind everything is peachy . orpupilofnature57 Jul 2015 #112

Sanders voted against both Gulf wars Report1212 Jul 2015 #117