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freshwest

(53,661 posts)
22. Thanks so much, DV for bringing this here. These 4 paragraphs say it all:
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 11:46 AM
Dec 2013
If you think that selfishness and cruelty are fantastic personal traits, you might be a libertarian. In the movement no one will ever call you an asshole, but rather, say you believe in radical individualism...

From the ashes of the election rose the movement that pushed me from convinced libertarian into bunny-hugging liberal. The Tea Party monster forever tainted the words freedom and libertarian for me. The rise of the Tea Party made me want to puke, and my nausea is now a chronic condition...

I began to think about real people, like my neighbors and people less lucky than me. Did I want those people to starve to death? I care about children, even poor ones. I love the National Park system. The best parts of the America I love are our communities. My libertarian friends might call me a fucking commie (they have) or a pussy, but extreme selfishness is just so isolating and cruel. Libertarianism is unnatural, and the size of the federal government is almost irrelevant. The real question is: what does society need and how do we pay for it?

...I don’t think regular Americans have any idea just how crazy libertarians can be. The only human corollary I can offer is unquestioning religious fervor, and hell yeah, I used to be a true believer. Libertarians think they own the word “freedom,” but it’s a word that often obfuscates more than enlightens. If you believe the Johann Wolfgang von Goethe quote “None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free,”  then libertarians live in a prison of their own ideology.

That and his mention of how often they use the n-word says he has truly made the change. Yes, they do, but don't want to be called racists. I've run into these overbearing, proud fanatics who destroy democracy with zeal, using philosophical points to call it mob rule because they see themselves above others. They speak in the language of aristocrats and the plutocrats when they scornfully refer to social justice movements.

Much conspiracy against government is from the sources that enriched themselves off all the wars, to defame democratic government and push people away from working their minds in the real world instead of the feverish fantasies this man describes so well here.

JMHO.
nuts and manipulated mdbl Dec 2013 #1
Exactly correct...manipulated. zeemike Dec 2013 #9
Clean up the quotes in that next to last paragraph. Lasher Dec 2013 #2
A very good description of the libertarians I have known personally. nt Nay Dec 2013 #3
Yes, they want less government but bitch if there's a pothole in their street. groundloop Dec 2013 #4
whenever I encounter a libertarian running for public office, I point out the hypocricy. somehow, niyad Dec 2013 #14
Ask any libertarian skepticscott Dec 2013 #16
not to take away from a great article but santroy79 Dec 2013 #5
Remember that "a stopped clock is correct twice a day." I also have reservations Nay Dec 2013 #6
A succinct quote from the linked article: Lasher Dec 2013 #10
yes... ensemble Dec 2013 #8
Welcome to DU, ensemble! calimary Dec 2013 #39
Welcome to DU, santroy79. calimary Dec 2013 #40
Oh, I love this quote: tanyev Dec 2013 #7
"Their saving grace is a complete lack of organizational ability" progressoid Dec 2013 #28
we have that problem too DonCoquixote Dec 2013 #32
Delightful! another_liberal Dec 2013 #11
Libertarians are visionary . . . and blind. freedom fighter jh Dec 2013 #12
The libertarian answer to that is skepticscott Dec 2013 #18
Like the people on the train in Atlas Shrugged treestar Jan 2014 #41
Libertarians had a lot more votes then Republicans want to admit. mitty14u2 Dec 2013 #13
Welcome to DU, mitty12u2! calimary Dec 2013 #38
I lost my label maker a long time ago. MyNameGoesHere Dec 2013 #15
Good point. You need not go any further than here, with a different opinion on something, 7962 Dec 2013 #17
kick valerief Dec 2013 #19
Those aren't libertarians; those are right wing looneys. Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2013 #20
That may be so, but are there any "good" libertarians left? starroute Dec 2013 #23
Yes, but it's a good question you ask as to where they are. Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2013 #30
That one person sounds more like an anarcho-syndicalist starroute Dec 2013 #31
More like "down with the federal government" truebluegreen Dec 2013 #25
Good article! The first time I listened to Ron Paul speak against our foreign aggression mountain grammy Dec 2013 #21
Thanks so much, DV for bringing this here. These 4 paragraphs say it all: freshwest Dec 2013 #22
Libertarians are utopians. Octoberfurst Dec 2013 #24
Well said. truebluegreen Dec 2013 #26
Welcome to DU, Octoberfurst! calimary Dec 2013 #37
I went to one meeting. felt no genuine human warmth. heaven05 Dec 2013 #27
I see libertarianism as political puberty RainDog Dec 2013 #29
Political puberty!!! calimary Dec 2013 #36
The 2 biggest threats to libertarianism: progressivism and persistence. Jamaal510 Dec 2013 #33
+1 freshwest Dec 2013 #34
LOVE this!!! calimary Dec 2013 #35
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