2016 Postmortem

NoGoodNamesLeft

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30. Russia meddling in and of itself isn't the issue, because that is what they do

Thu Jan 19, 2017, 10:54 PM

Jan 2017

What IS the issue is that Trump, his campaign and yes, Comey and probably others were involved and complicit. That MUST be dealt with and the GOP are idiots for ignoring it. That is an entirely different issue.

I also agree that the Bernie or Busters were used and manipulated. I wasn't a Bernie supporter. I supported Clinton and was one of the first in line in my red county of a swing state on the first day of early voting to cast my vote for her. I verbally ripped everyone I know who voted for Trump a new one too.

None of that changes the fact that Democrats also need to take an HONEST look at the part they played in the losses. The campaign run was far from perfect. Many mistakes were made. It's time to actually own those and learn from them because unless that is done more losses will follow.

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When you bury your head in the sand you leave your ass exposed to get kicked [View all] NoGoodNamesLeft Jan 2017 OP

Godamn I'll be glad when this forum closes tomorrow ismnotwasm Jan 2017 #1

Ah but the memories of the posts and the names of the posters revmclaren Jan 2017 #2

Me too, because all I have learned from this forum is that... NoGoodNamesLeft Jan 2017 #3

All good points Phoenix61 Jan 2017 #4

Yes, the charismatic speaker part is crucial NoGoodNamesLeft Jan 2017 #5

Exactly! Phoenix61 Jan 2017 #6

GW Bush was a charismatic speaker? n/t HopeAgain Jan 2017 #8

Dukakis was a pretty low bar NobodyHere Jan 2017 #10

Compared to his opponents, yes, he was the MOST charismatic of the two NoGoodNamesLeft Jan 2017 #12

i guess I have a different image of charismatic. HopeAgain Jan 2017 #16

Charisma has nothing to do with positions or how nice you are or are not NoGoodNamesLeft Jan 2017 #21

We really didn't have a charismatic speaker. NCTraveler Jan 2017 #11

Bernie is a charismatic speaker too NoGoodNamesLeft Jan 2017 #13

You say Bernie and GW are charismatic speakers. NCTraveler Jan 2017 #15

Bernie moreso than GW, but yes, they are. NoGoodNamesLeft Jan 2017 #18

Speaking is a big part. On that I agree. NCTraveler Jan 2017 #20

Not at all...you're just probably assuming charisma can only be positive NoGoodNamesLeft Jan 2017 #22

Now I get what you are saying about those two. NCTraveler Jan 2017 #23

Here's an interesting article about the dark side of charisma NoGoodNamesLeft Jan 2017 #26

Time to move on... HopeAgain Jan 2017 #7

I feel it's important to make one last attempt to open some eyes NoGoodNamesLeft Jan 2017 #14

Wow. NCTraveler Jan 2017 #9

How many presidential elections have you been around for? NoGoodNamesLeft Jan 2017 #17

Some things simply make little sense. NCTraveler Jan 2017 #19

I used Russian interference as an example NoGoodNamesLeft Jan 2017 #24

It won't happen with all you are ignoring around you. NCTraveler Jan 2017 #25

Don't give up your day job to be a psychic or mind reader NoGoodNamesLeft Jan 2017 #27

Just more division. NCTraveler Jan 2017 #29

Nothing like the media take over or Comney interference ever happened before . bettyellen Jan 2017 #28

Russia meddling in and of itself isn't the issue, because that is what they do NoGoodNamesLeft Jan 2017 #30

Why did they vote Against Russ Feingold and Ted STrickland ? and Hillary talked Issues far more than JI7 Jan 2017 #31

She got More Votes than Any of the Candidates she ran against JI7 Jan 2017 #32