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LisaM

(27,794 posts)
27. Liberals are piling up in cities.
Thu Jan 19, 2017, 07:17 PM
Jan 2017

I know, I live in one of them (Seattle). I can tell you that the people moving here pay attention to national races and vanish in between (we had four elections in the last year, and one had the lowest percentage turnout since the Depression). They are in a tech bubble and don't think about down-ticket races. They have liberal social values, but don't understand that the Democrats share them so don't identify with the party.

Aside from the apathetic turnout in off years (which, I think, leads to a smaller candidate pool), as long as people keep flocking to the cities, this is not going to change unless our system changes. Along with the other problems, it's becoming unrepresentative. States that are losing population are getting way more power in proportion to their size.

How do we get people to move to these places? I always think that North Carolina and Georgia are on the cusp of change, because they have liberal big cities, but it hasn't quite happened yet. I'd think that anywhere that has a reasonably livable city in a red state could flip the state in a few years. But people won't move there. I get that because life is often intolerable in rural areas, especially for POC and LGBT people, but if we continue with NYC and Seattle and San Francisco and Portland growing and growing and red states losing population, nothing will change except that it will get more lopsided. And on the state level, gerrymandering has made a huge difference.

I wish some of the tech companies would target smaller cities, though that's tricky, too, because I'm sure the people who live there don't want the high rents and other crap that comes with gentrification.

So-called "white working class" is mad because they are becoming a minority and think their plight Hoyt Jan 2017 #1
so they are getting more desperate as the country gets more diverse? Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #3
Bigotry, particularly racism, transcends class interests. Garrett78 Jan 2017 #5
so how do we get over bigotry??? Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #6
For starters, we won't ever eliminate it. Garrett78 Jan 2017 #12
wow-- that's great. I didn't know that was something that existed Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #47
This kind of attitude is exactly WHY Dems lost... NoGoodNamesLeft Jan 2017 #7
Wow, you sure got that backwards. That's some mighty hefty and undeserved bashing of Democrats. JTFrog Jan 2017 #8
No he has some good points jzodda Jan 2017 #10
Thank you NoGoodNamesLeft Jan 2017 #21
You're overlooking the elephant in the room. Repugs cheat. brush Jan 2017 #29
What else is new? Did Obama just whine and give up? NoGoodNamesLeft Jan 2017 #31
Who's saying give up, or is pissing and moaning and complaining? I'm clearly saying fight... brush Jan 2017 #36
what conformity you are talking about??? Example? Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #48
something at the top of my list is for Dems to call out Repub cheating more forcefully Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #49
It is very much deserved and needed NoGoodNamesLeft Jan 2017 #17
Yea, let's just not focus on Republican cheating or foreign influence. Let's keep bashing the good JTFrog Jan 2017 #18
If Democrats stopped being so goddamned exclusive NoGoodNamesLeft Jan 2017 #20
Exclusive?!? JTFrog Jan 2017 #53
Well let's deport Mexicans, trash Blacks, kill Muslims, etc., because that is what white wing Hoyt Jan 2017 #9
+1 nt JTFrog Jan 2017 #13
Oh bullshit! NoGoodNamesLeft Jan 2017 #19
What's bullshit is the narrative that says Clinton didn't talk enough about economics/jobs. Garrett78 Jan 2017 #23
This is NOT just about Hillary Clinton NoGoodNamesLeft Jan 2017 #26
Again, 80% of his supporters are Birthers. That's verifiable, not merely an assumption. Garrett78 Jan 2017 #28
Oh for fuck's sake that is not true NoGoodNamesLeft Jan 2017 #32
Okay, it's 79%. I've posted this numerous times before in response to your posts. Garrett78 Jan 2017 #42
She's associated with NAFTA BainsBane Jan 2017 #44
Did you vote for Trump? If not, then learn to read. Hoyt Jan 2017 #33
Nope, but I have relatives who did and they don't hold the views you are claiming NoGoodNamesLeft Jan 2017 #35
Voting for someone you know to be a racist, bigot, and worse is a tip off, don't you think? Hoyt Jan 2017 #37
Nor does Hillary hold the views BainsBane Jan 2017 #45
treated like they are stupid? stonecutter357 Jan 2017 #51
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2017 #2
okay, but Hillary wasn't that weak and Trump was awful Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #4
Actually, the Dems picked up 5(?) seats in the House and 2 or three in the Senate Chitown Kev Jan 2017 #11
good point. Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #15
Senate races are statewide and can't be gerrymandered like House of Representatives districts. n/t 24601 Jan 2017 #14
right-- so what is the explanation for the GOP success? Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #16
My undergrad didn't have formal majors, but was the equivalent of poly sci. My take is that there 24601 Jan 2017 #24
The repugs cheat. They always cheat. See post #29 brush Jan 2017 #30
But I think gerrymandering still impacts statewide races. Garrett78 Jan 2017 #25
Interesting article about it. Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2017 #22
Liberals are piling up in cities. LisaM Jan 2017 #27
seems like we keep hearing the Dems are going to flip these states any day Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #41
it did in Virginia and Colorado and while we still lost texas , Hillary made gains from previous JI7 Jan 2017 #43
ah, good point-- slow but incremental improvement in some states Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #50
What Have You Done For Me Berlin Vet Jan 2017 #34
yes, seriously!!! Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #40
This message was self-deleted by its author JTFrog Jan 2017 #54
In my state, Koch's, NRA and other Repubs provided millions more in TV ads wishstar Jan 2017 #38
ah yes-- the $$$ factor Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #39
A lot of people were dissatisfied with the status quo. senz Jan 2017 #46
I heard a charge made, I beleive on the Thom Hartmann radio show yesterday doc03 Jan 2017 #52
Dem's stayed home. joshcryer Jan 2017 #55
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