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ElementaryPenguin

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37. Yes, LB!! After all of Putin's efforts - Hillary still led in all the polls on election eve...
Thu Jan 19, 2017, 05:10 PM
Jan 2017

So, are you telling me Putin would've been content to have finished a closer than previously expected 2nd? (with a $1/2 trillion deal with Exxon on the line).

Sure.

As Trump said himself in Wisconsin (during his victory lap) that he was losing "bigly" in the exit polls - and explained to his wife that he had lost - and he was going to be embarrassed to see the vote tallies coming in - and what was he going to do career-wise.

But what happens? The margin of error is exceeded always in Trump's favor - in 23 of the 25 states contested states with exit polls (the same odds as flipping heads 23 times in 25 flips!!

Would Obama have become the 1st President in history to use the "hot-line" to contact a Russian leader and warn Putin that he wouldn't rule out even a military response if he hacked the election results?? Do you think he would've done that - risk WWIII - even hadn't believed Russia had the ability to hack the vote totals? Would he have done that simply to ward off another Hillary email dump??

Princeton Univ. was asked if the Russians could do this and they said it would child's play for them. The vote tabulators were found to be ultimately connected online (contrary to what Comey said) and the also had cellular connectivity.

The Russians have said they were in contact with the Trump camp throughout - they could have easily indicated which counties and precincts needed to be hacked. And the down ballots were crucial too to maintain control the Senate, which they were likely to lose.

Again, in time, this will leak out. It isn't information the Obama administration was going to be able to just dump on the public and expect everyone to accept - and with our recount system - there wasn't enough time to walk it back - we were basically stuck with this - and the story had to be limited to the obvious intentional hacking of the election the Russians were doing to influence the election and assist Trump. The investigations have been started - and many will be surprised to see that that dossier on Trump is far from the only thing Putin has hanging over his head. He has the collusion of him and his team with the Russians - the most hostile foreign power their is - to steal the Presidential power. TREASON. You can just imagine what sentence a conviction in these circumstances might bring. The name Benedict Arnold would probably be displaced and forgotten in American History overnight.

ALCOA! Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2017 #1
Head in the sand much? LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #2
Not at all, I just tend not to jump to conclusions Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2017 #20
Oh, you are certainly jumping to conclusions... LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #27
PWD? nt Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2017 #29
Another kick?? Why THANKS AGAIN! LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #40
The projection is astounding, isn't it? dionysus Jan 2017 #43
It *absolutely* IS LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #44
Where's reel 2? dionysus Jan 2017 #47
with the infallable never can be hacked voting machines, bless your heart LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #56
Indeed. Where have I seen projection like that before? nt Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2017 #53
Where indeed LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #55
I am open to this possibility, but the problem is there's no hard evidence for this Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #3
They cheat and will always cheat. We outnumber them so that's the only way they can "win" brush Jan 2017 #4
I know, and they control the fucking media too Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #5
And that, in a nutshell is how they won. Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2017 #7
I think our number 1 goal has to be to get control of the media Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #14
Indeed. Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2017 #16
yeah... that takes real money and patience Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #19
prove it. LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #41
Prove it? melman Jan 2017 #49
Just dishing what I'm served. LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #54
Oh, don't get me wrong, I don't think they JUST tampered with machines... LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #9
It's actually the same as the Trump strategy forjusticethunders Jan 2017 #25
Yep. And pretending one thing is 'off the table' or 'impossible' is head in the sand folly. nt LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #28
I'm not 100% there was direct hacking of machines forjusticethunders Jan 2017 #35
Honestly, that's where I am, but because I have worked a LOT of elections LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #59
Several math whizzes advised Sec Clinton TheDebbieDee Jan 2017 #10
It was all so dizzying...we weren't expecting espionage. nt LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #12
+1, now I think the Stein recount was a blocking move to keep HRC from doing such after all uponit7771 Jan 2017 #61
The hard evidence is they hacked state and local electoral boards were the machines are set... uponit7771 Jan 2017 #60
and that evidence is where? Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #63
That's were the machines are set, they don't have to hack individual machines when they can hack uponit7771 Jan 2017 #66
maybe this is what cummings was talking about. mopinko Jan 2017 #6
That's my point. If you've worked elections before... LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #13
i have worked elections. it would be so fucking easy. mopinko Jan 2017 #15
Yep. And to act like it is out of the question, or that we have to provide THEM LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #30
+1, and all states that enacted VSM to lower counts in "urban" areas... those fuckers uponit7771 Jan 2017 #62
I agree with you. The complacency and the refusal to even consider that our machines had been BlueCaliDem Jan 2017 #8
THANK YOU FOR THIS. LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #11
No need to thank me. I thank YOU. Fighters should be admired, not excoriated. BlueCaliDem Jan 2017 #17
Holy WOW! Just read this. Thank you for you LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #45
THIS 2naSalit Jan 2017 #18
Just mucking with them so they didn't work would be enough. LisaM Jan 2017 #33
+1, exactly... they didn't need a huge operation just a "big enough" operation to hide uponit7771 Jan 2017 #64
This, this, this...why they are so positive nothing happened is astounding. nt LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #69
Never get tired of posting this: triron Jan 2017 #34
If his analysis brings you comfort that our way of voting is pretty much flawless, then I'm happy BlueCaliDem Jan 2017 #39
You're kidding me? triron Jan 2017 #57
So why aren't President Obama, VP Biden, Pelosi, Schumer and other prominent Democrats Lurks Often Jan 2017 #21
That is exactly what I have been wondering since the story of the big russian conspiracy broke m-lekktor Jan 2017 #22
Or this isn't nearly as much there as some would like you to believe Lurks Often Jan 2017 #23
They're all in on it! dionysus Jan 2017 #46
Damn Straight! Lurks Often Jan 2017 #48
Republicans kenfrequed Jan 2017 #24
Nope. I think it was coordinated...and you're right, the GOP pulled this shit in Ohion 2004 LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #31
There is just no evidence for it kenfrequed Jan 2017 #36
As I've said before, SOMETHING happened on election day. hamsterjill Jan 2017 #26
exactly. This. LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #32
It was unspeakable. hamsterjill Jan 2017 #38
Yes, LB!! After all of Putin's efforts - Hillary still led in all the polls on election eve... ElementaryPenguin Jan 2017 #37
No proof, combined with no proper punctuation, does not prove election fraud. dionysus Jan 2017 #42
. justburnitall Jan 2017 #52
Your insistence that there is no proof flies in the face of the news... LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #58
The report says they hacked state and local electoral boards, if that's not "proof" enough then ... uponit7771 Jan 2017 #65
The mere fact that one is SLOW to connect the dots - ElementaryPenguin Jan 2017 #67
Rude. nt JTFrog Jan 2017 #68
Not a doubt in my mind. ucrdem Jan 2017 #50
Got your back jack... K&R fleabiscuit Jan 2017 #51
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