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dionysus

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18. I don't know if bernie could have won the GE, but i figure he would have stood just a good
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 05:57 PM
Jan 2017

a chance as any. However, i did not think there was any way he could have every won the primary. And trying to guess how well he would have done is a complete waste, because we'll never, ever know for sure (no matter what we may think would have happened).

He was supposed to have been a kucinich-like joke and get laughed off the court. However, he helped fire up the next generation of voters, he brought thebplight of the middle class into the forefront in a way no one else was doing, and he won several states in the process.

To me, that was far exceeding original expectations. He helped make the middle class a hughlighted plank in the platform, and that's great. He got hillary talking more about the middle class than she would have otherwise, and that's great!

Of course you'll never get anyone to admit that was their ultimate goal, that's something you just don't do in politics... i'm pretty sure he knew what a long shot winning the primary was, so i think he accomplished what he set out to do.

Hillary would have been a fine president; i think she would have been a better president than a campaigner. And that's fine, not every body is a natural campaigner or self promoter.... not everyobe is gifted at it like bill or barack.. they are true masters of it. Candidates like hillary or gore would have been far better officeholders than they were campaigners...

It won't make the problems go away [View all] zipplewrath Jan 2017 OP
Then what were they doing in the states election board's computers?? shraby Jan 2017 #1
It's not a choice BETWEEN dealing with voter suppression OR recognizing that the party is in crisis. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #6
If a party loses due to voter suppression and/or russian infilitration and/or FBI meddling boston bean Jan 2017 #9
That didn't happen in Wisconsin forthemiddle Jan 2017 #11
That is EXACTLY what Pat McCrory did in NC, too. DMVs never processed voter registrations blm Jan 2017 #46
RT bullshit was being spread here pretty thickly- and some people still buy that crap... bettyellen Jan 2017 #2
+1 nt JTFrog Jan 2017 #3
Yep. Pretty much. HassleCat Jan 2017 #4
We picked up seats in the House and Senate AJH032 Jan 2017 #5
CA is doing great. Starry Messenger Jan 2017 #7
+1 nt JTFrog Jan 2017 #8
for the last 10 years? zipplewrath Jan 2017 #21
Do you know the history of redistricting? Starry Messenger Jan 2017 #26
And so how did we get there? zipplewrath Jan 2017 #29
Read, the, date. Starry Messenger Jan 2017 #34
wish I could zipplewrath Jan 2017 #35
But someone did undermine our candidates. How about adopting this unoffical rule: FSogol Jan 2017 #10
Excellent Post. Excellent. Justice Jan 2017 #12
Yeah, because candidates will always run against the person who isn't in the race. zipplewrath Jan 2017 #17
We can't. There a lot of us here who can't admit our campaign was less than perfect. dionysus Jan 2017 #13
And you win the thread and the 2016 Postmortem Forum Lurks Often Jan 2017 #14
I don't know if bernie could have won the GE, but i figure he would have stood just a good dionysus Jan 2017 #18
Will Bernie run for President again - NO! - So what's your point? CajunBlazer Jan 2017 #50
You mistake me for someone who care what a conservadem thinks, gush gallop aside. dionysus Jan 2017 #52
The label "far left" has little to do with their objectives - it's their mind set CajunBlazer Jan 2017 #55
When you start creating strawman and shove words in other people's mouths, you lose credibility. emulatorloo Jan 2017 #58
Excellent. I agree, those are my thoughts exactly. justhanginon Jan 2017 #54
+1 nt riderinthestorm Jan 2017 #59
Agreed - a decent post-election write-up here: jonno99 Jan 2017 #15
This is the fundamental problem. zipplewrath Jan 2017 #16
Comey did undermine all candidates. NCTraveler Jan 2017 #19
Last 10 years zipplewrath Jan 2017 #20
Gerrymandering and voter suppression?! We just going to ignore those factors now? tia uponit7771 Jan 2017 #24
no, but zipplewrath Jan 2017 #25
When did I say he was responsible for it all? NCTraveler Jan 2017 #36
We didn't focus down the ticket since 2008 crazycatlady Jan 2017 #40
+1 uponit7771 Jan 2017 #23
BULL FUCKIN SHIT !!! Comey, Voter suppression and Russia all the rest of the postmortems are guessin uponit7771 Jan 2017 #22
Try again zipplewrath Jan 2017 #27
Gerrymandering and voter suppression?! We just going to ignore those factors now? tia uponit7771 Jan 2017 #30
no, we're going to disucss them zipplewrath Jan 2017 #32
Their replies make it clear they don't understand gerrymandering and voter suppression... NCTraveler Jan 2017 #37
+1, we've got to do the 50 state thing all county thing ... without voter suppression and uponit7771 Jan 2017 #39
As a Floridian, I get the enormous importance of local elections and gerrymandering. NCTraveler Jan 2017 #41
OK, zip - how long have firms like Crosscheck been around and used by GOP vote suppression machine? blm Jan 2017 #49
Crosscheck blocked the votes of hundreds of thousands in swing states. That is the BIGGEST reason. blm Jan 2017 #28
For the last 10 years+? zipplewrath Jan 2017 #31
You weren't around when Florida purged voter rolls before 2000 election? Crosscheck was another, and blm Jan 2017 #43
Again zipplewrath Jan 2017 #33
Or we could expose and SUE Crosscheck and those states implementing Crosscheck. blm Jan 2017 #44
Stop attacking Dems. joshcryer Jan 2017 #38
Yes! Republicans are the problem, not Democrats. betsuni Jan 2017 #42
I'd argue '06 and '02 were worse, and that's just from recent memory Blue_Tires Jan 2017 #45
The subject of how to improve the party isn't banned for discussion. geek tragedy Jan 2017 #47
Did anyone forward the premise that removing and replacing one forum LanternWaste Jan 2017 #48
No zipplewrath Jan 2017 #57
This message was self-deleted by its author stonecutter357 Jan 2017 #51
A Coup Is Underway otohara Jan 2017 #53
Repeatedly picking at the scab BainsBane Jan 2017 #56
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