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Wed Jan 18, 2017, 04:14 PM

109. we've had this discussion before, or at least we've been conversing about it in the same threads,

 

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and I've pointed out in those, why the economics conversation is the right strategy for dismantling racism. Nobody has taken my points to task.That doesn't mean they're strong...maybe people are like "don't poke crazy..." but until somebody shows me where I'm wrong I'm going to continue to promote these points. My argument does seem to have gotten at least some level agreement from FJT.

Here's one of the linked conversation I had with ForJusticeThunders, if you'd like to weigh in:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2677424


For the most part I think we agree with each other, except that I don't see a non-economic entry-point for dealing with racism. You have to admit that the impetus that made people in unions work together was in-fact economic. Of course proximity helps as well, and working with people and being integrated does go some way to helping people to see each other as people, but where that isn't happening, and even where it is, we still see these things persist...and that's not in small part because it is engineered to persist. Talk radio and media promotes racism, both subtly and entirely obviously depending on the outlet.There is a very good reason for that that extends beyond simple dispositions of the news folks.

As to why people might settle for that psychological superiority, I posted this in FJT's thread as well, but it kind of got buried. The intent was to address the suggestion that people will choose hardship if they also get to choose shitting on somebody else. I think that's not how it works.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2677483

Eh..editing again to add one more thing. I know it's on the late side.

I actually disagree with your clean definition of political correctness. Political correctness is rarely about not offending people who are marginalized. It is about not offending the majority opinion(or similarly, not offending any group that is politically valuable while also not offending that bigger group). If the majority opinion is that certain language that targets minorities of one sort or another is unacceptable, then avoiding it is being politically correct. If the majority opinion is that it's okay to shit on muslims or call suicide bombers cowards just because it feels good, avoiding that or even challenging it is NOT being politically correct. Maybe it is principled or decent or honest or thoughtful...but it isn't politically correct. Isn't that why "political" is in politically correct? Rather than say, coming "correct?"

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