2016 Postmortem

Fiendish Thingy

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257. So, I guess that means you don't want me on your team?

Mon Jan 9, 2017, 01:24 AM

Jan 2017

You are ranting while looking in the rearview mirror of the past, while I am focused on the here and now, and the yet to come.

'tis a pity, I'd hoped we might find some common ground...

(P.S. Fugelsang's analogy is flawed, because Obama wasn't running for a third term; if he could have, he'd have beat Trump in the biggest landslide in history- don't you agree?)

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Dkos: No, Senator Sanders; YOU are out of touch (opinion piece) [View all] bravenak Jan 2017 OP

Enough of this crap. tecelote Jan 2017 #1

Kerry won independents in 2004 and Romney won them in 2012. most indies are partisans that lean one JI7 Jan 2017 #3

Then our job is to bring them in to the party, not exclude them. tecelote Jan 2017 #4

Then they need to join if they want to be included bravenak Jan 2017 #7

they exclude themselves. there is nothing banning them from joining JI7 Jan 2017 #8

That's not the impression I get. tecelote Jan 2017 #13

i'm talking about the idiots who voted for trump . they aren't victims JI7 Jan 2017 #15

Agreed. tecelote Jan 2017 #47

When he stops attacking democrats I will stfu bravenak Jan 2017 #5

He's not attacking, he's trying to make us stronger. tecelote Jan 2017 #11

How is ignoring my demographic then calling us corrupt helping us? bravenak Jan 2017 #16

What is your demographic and how is he ignoring it? tecelote Jan 2017 #17

Black folks bravenak Jan 2017 #18

I didn't see that. tecelote Jan 2017 #19

I did. Read the article. It's in there bravenak Jan 2017 #26

I see someone holding Trump accountable. We need that now. tecelote Jan 2017 #34

Bullshit. He spend more energy attacking democrats bravenak Jan 2017 #38

I respectfully disagree. tecelote Jan 2017 #41

SBS did not win the minority vote. You think you know better than they do, maybe Maru Kitteh Jan 2017 #121

He did not win. Period. tecelote Jan 2017 #125

Nah. I'm more interested in the future, and SBS isn't it. Maru Kitteh Jan 2017 #148

Respectfully angrychair Jan 2017 #156

I mostly agree with you bravenak Jan 2017 #166

I'm African-American, well half, and Sanders didn't ignore me. Exilednight Jan 2017 #33

Thank you! NWCorona Jan 2017 #36

I'm black and hispanic and female. He fucking ignored my blacks ass bravenak Jan 2017 #37

What did you want? metroins Jan 2017 #51

I wanted him to notice that his basic message that worked on white people bravenak Jan 2017 #53

You and I disagree metroins Jan 2017 #67

Thank you bravenak Jan 2017 #69

Oh bullshit. Kentonio Jan 2017 #392

Early in the campaign I was a Bernie supporter bravenak Jan 2017 #400

Post removed Post removed Jan 2017 #394

We preffered her and do not see him as our great white hope bravenak Jan 2017 #397

You prefered Hillary? Kentonio Jan 2017 #404

She won the most votes out of anybody besides obama bravenak Jan 2017 #407

Well said, brave! Cha Jan 2017 #419

Agree-great post Brave Gothmog Jan 2017 #425

Long thread Cha Jan 2017 #427

I saw something like this on JPR where they were applauding the booing of John Lewsi Gothmog Jan 2017 #412

There are valid reasons why many African American and other voters do not support Sanders Gothmog Jan 2017 #414

We didn't Jamaal510 Jan 2017 #416

Sanders HAD to "work with Black Lives Matters [sic] more than Hillary did".... George II Jan 2017 #417

Got to love the barefaced lies and revisionism you guys come out with. Kentonio Jan 2017 #420

How ironic. Scolding others for lies and revisionism, then still trying to peddle the old fake betsuni Jan 2017 #421

People don't need to read the transcript, they can watch the whole thing on video. Kentonio Jan 2017 #422

WTF. You are blaming African Americans for trump's win. How about those self-identified still_one Jan 2017 #418

You sound more like you have a grudge vs any actual argument. Exilednight Jan 2017 #52

You must have not listened then bravenak Jan 2017 #56

I didn't even realize you spoke on something of substance. Exilednight Jan 2017 #61

I guess you should research then bravenak Jan 2017 #63

I did. I'm done looking. Exilednight Jan 2017 #71

They both spoke of education but her plan was on point bravenak Jan 2017 #74

Yeah, that's why Hillary adopted it in her GE bid. Exilednight Jan 2017 #76

She spun those IDEAS into PLANS bravenak Jan 2017 #82

She took his plan word for word, from how to impliment it to paying for it. Exilednight Jan 2017 #87

No. Her plans we much more DETAILED bravenak Jan 2017 #89

It was word for word the exact same plan. Exilednight Jan 2017 #97

New York's going free college, right? SMC22307 Jan 2017 #113

Nope she always had more about early education and child care as well so bettyellen Jan 2017 #253

For your enjoyment... SMC22307 Jan 2017 #248

Were you here doing the campaign? There were raging arguments about Sanders' message . . . brush Jan 2017 #154

I'm still waiting for someone with intellgence who disagrees with Bernie to actually come up with a Exilednight Jan 2017 #185

Absolutely my perception as well. A lot of noisy but vacant diatribes, and finger wagging. JudyM Jan 2017 #261

You asked for it. Many disargreed with his campaign's disregard of the southern ... brush Jan 2017 #264

So...I'm going to lay this out there for your consideration... TCJ70 Jan 2017 #271

Everyone doesn't go to campaign web sites but they do listen to candidates and surrogates brush Jan 2017 #273

I didn't say there weren't issues... TCJ70 Jan 2017 #275

It's the responsibility also of the campaign to get their message out. brush Jan 2017 #277

It took BLM interrupting him TWICE for him to post that on his page bravenak Jan 2017 #276

As you have an obvious axe to grind... TCJ70 Jan 2017 #279

Then why show up to post on an op I posted if you dont want to hear what I have to say? bravenak Jan 2017 #283

As a voter in a southern state, I found this to be a great example Gothmog Jan 2017 #368

Even in the realm of economic issues forjusticethunders Jan 2017 #480

I totally agree that there are all kinds of ways that people of color are targeted and disadvantaged JCanete Jan 2017 #482

Free college is good in a vacuum but forjusticethunders Jan 2017 #483

Yes, that makes sense. I'll say that improving wages of underserved communities should improve JCanete Jan 2017 #484

Sanders was rejected soundly by Jewish, African and Latino votes Gothmog Jan 2017 #85

But now he is fighting for all of us. tecelote Jan 2017 #93

By selling books? Gothmog Jan 2017 #96

Petty. tecelote Jan 2017 #100

I live in the real world and so I never accepted the premise of Sanders so-called revolution Gothmog Jan 2017 #105

I live in the real world and welcome all who oppose Trump. tecelote Jan 2017 #109

+1 snowy owl Jan 2017 #117

Sanders helped to elect trump Gothmog Jan 2017 #129

+1...nt SidDithers Jan 2017 #138

Ever think that the leaks from the illegal Russian hack of the DNC that helped Trump in the general baldguy Jan 2017 #242

Those leaks clearly helped Sanders in the primaries Gothmog Jan 2017 #466

+1 lunamagica Jan 2017 #464

Do you approve of the Sanders delegates booing Congressman John Lewis at the National Convention?? Gothmog Jan 2017 #389

Yes. SMC22307 Jan 2017 #126

And books sales makes Bernie rich Gothmog Jan 2017 #130

They make Hillary and Obama rich, too... SMC22307 Jan 2017 #132

But Obama's and Clinton's books were worth reading Gothmog Jan 2017 #139

As are Sanders', the most popular national politician in America. SMC22307 Jan 2017 #161

But he didn't even win the Democratic primary. R B Garr Jan 2017 #190

Voters thought Hillary and the Clinton Machine had the better chance of beating Trump. SMC22307 Jan 2017 #200

Why can't Vermont have free tuition? Or single R B Garr Jan 2017 #207

Ask the Vermont state legislators and governor, not me. SMC22307 Jan 2017 #244

So Bernie shows up for pictures in New York, lol R B Garr Jan 2017 #246

I know it stings that it was Sanders' idea and that he and Cuomo made the announcement... SMC22307 Jan 2017 #250

Stings, but Sanders lost. R B Garr Jan 2017 #254

Sanders is still in office, shaping public policy. SMC22307 Jan 2017 #258

Yes, Sanders does appear to be giddy! He is clearly R B Garr Jan 2017 #265

Get back to me during the Trump inauguration... SMC22307 Jan 2017 #278

Wow, how out of touch. Bill is an ex-President. R B Garr Jan 2017 #285

Thanks for the lecture, but I actually support the Clintons... SMC22307 Jan 2017 #292

Bernie's candidates lost. So did his proposals. R B Garr Jan 2017 #302

RB, I just have to give you a fistbump. You are rocking this thread. Tarheel_Dem Jan 2017 #306

Thanks, Tarheel! R B Garr Jan 2017 #324

Me too giving fistibumps! Thank you, you are doing the work! betsuni Jan 2017 #307

Cheers to you, too, betsuni! You had an analogy the other day that R B Garr Jan 2017 #326

That's simply not true. SMC22307 Jan 2017 #452

It is completely true and you don't get to fix reality to benefit R B Garr Jan 2017 #456

+1 betsuni Jan 2017 #461

Sanders was on the ballot and underpreformed Clinton Gothmog Jan 2017 #467

I'm sure he will have as much efficacy shaping policy as he has in the past. nt fleabiscuit Jan 2017 #274

Who knew the *confederacy* was so far behind? brer cat Jan 2017 #402

Then how come practically everyone he endorsed lost? lunamagica Jan 2017 #465

See post 467 Gothmog Jan 2017 #477

Sanders is not that popular in many circles of the Democratic party Gothmog Jan 2017 #329

He's going around saying "Dems are out of touch".. did he not think Cha Jan 2017 #183

Sanders is trying to sell his book Gothmog Jan 2017 #371

blah blah blah...Sanders just now figured out that you can make money in politics after 25 years of JCanete Jan 2017 #381

Where are Sanders tax returns? Gothmog Jan 2017 #388

that is true, and if the did something actually shady, I will be disappointed. That said, JCanete Jan 2017 #391

I and others are looking forward to Sanders may FEC filings Gothmog Jan 2017 #398

No, The Systems Not Totally Rigged. But That Idea Sure Helped Donald Trump. Gothmog Jan 2017 #81

But now he is fighting for all of us. tecelote Jan 2017 #95

Sanders got into democratic primary for media coverage and money Gothmog Jan 2017 #101

Oh, come on. tecelote Jan 2017 #106

Sanders was in it for the media coverage and he suceeded Gothmog Jan 2017 #399

I'm waiting to see if he does... blue cat Jan 2017 #107

This message was self-deleted by its author sheshe2 Jan 2017 #146

Geez. tecelote Jan 2017 #178

"But now he is fighting for all of us" LongtimeAZDem Jan 2017 #223

In Vietnam, the theory was WhiteTara Jan 2017 #215

So true! Dustlawyer Jan 2017 #219

"This is another hatchet piece designed to keep us fighting each other and to marginalize... tecelote Jan 2017 #221

Is he making us stronger or causing division...if he joined the party Demsrule86 Jan 2017 #241

Definetely stronger because no one else is trying to change Dustlawyer Jan 2017 #321

Most "Independants" are RWers that think the GOP is too liberal. baldguy Jan 2017 #30

Well then you might as well give up Fiendish Thingy Jan 2017 #155

We had a progressive candidate - HILLARY CLINTON! baldguy Jan 2017 #167

We've been 'round this block before... Fiendish Thingy Jan 2017 #233

Oh, FFS. If we're supposed to be focusing on battling the Republicans then Sanders should STFU baldguy Jan 2017 #239

So, I guess that means you don't want me on your team? Fiendish Thingy Jan 2017 #257

We don't need people who believe every RW lie about the Dems and our candidates that comes along. baldguy Jan 2017 #320

+10000 betsuni Jan 2017 #322

+ 20000!! eom BlueCaliDem Jan 2017 #334

Sorry to hear that you're no longer a Democrat Fiendish Thingy Jan 2017 #335

You and the Republicans would love to see Democrats abandon the party. baldguy Jan 2017 #405

Well, then I'm glad to hear you welcome Bernie Fiendish Thingy Jan 2017 #413

As long as Sanders keeps using RW talking points to attack Democrats, he'll never be a Democrat. baldguy Jan 2017 #415

They exclude themselves Tavarious Jackson Jan 2017 #72

We lost on every level. tecelote Jan 2017 #78

Sorry, BS is going around saying that Dems lost the GE because we Cha Jan 2017 #177

We lost on the local level in a big way. tecelote Jan 2017 #198

Good Job... RazBerryBeret Jan 2017 #2

Better than the phony stuff that deifies one guy who ignored my demographic bravenak Jan 2017 #6

Still confused by this. Are you frustrated that he didn't campaign hard enough for your demographic, JCanete Jan 2017 #336

I am pissed that he could not be trusted to listen when we said, 'yo peeps is trippin' bravenak Jan 2017 #359

How is this supposed to help anything? Freethinker65 Jan 2017 #9

How is attacking the democratic party and calling us 'out of touch' helpful bravenak Jan 2017 #12

I see what you are doing as alienating Bernie progressives that ended up voting for Hillary Freethinker65 Jan 2017 #21

They alienate me by ignoring any accomplishment of any dems that are not him bravenak Jan 2017 #27

Who is they? The people on DU? Freethinker65 Jan 2017 #79

The people who deify politicians bravenak Jan 2017 #83

Then we kind of agree on something Freethinker65 Jan 2017 #86

Me neither. None of them bravenak Jan 2017 #88

You sound remarkably like the "Do you know Jesus" folks okasha Jan 2017 #59

Do you know what a freethinker is? Freethinker65 Jan 2017 #64

Your devotion says otherwise. okasha Jan 2017 #68

Bless your heart Freethinker65 Jan 2017 #80

Trust me, Bravenak has zero impact on Bernie progressives who ended up... SMC22307 Jan 2017 #77

Thanks. And goodbye 2016 Postmortem. Freethinker65 Jan 2017 #84

I find it hilarious. SMC22307 Jan 2017 #110

Another similarity to that 'racist' campaign. yallerdawg Jan 2017 #10

Ahh, the regatta!!! Best place for unity with minorities. bravenak Jan 2017 #14

Aren't you in a state with an abundance of water? SMC22307 Jan 2017 #159

Or upstate NY NWCorona Jan 2017 #45

Or rural Pennsylvania... yallerdawg Jan 2017 #91

Bill Clinton and Jake Sullivan were right about those states. NWCorona Jan 2017 #92

Yep bravenak Jan 2017 #142

And here are POC applauding Sanders and Cuomo at the free college announcement. SMC22307 Jan 2017 #247

Your Bernie Hate Obession is really unhealthy Chasstev365 Jan 2017 #20

+1000 Freethinker65 Jan 2017 #22

+1 snowy owl Jan 2017 #24

Then ignore me if you can bravenak Jan 2017 #28

This. retrowire Jan 2017 #118

Seems to be some boat-envy as well. SMC22307 Jan 2017 #162

So now the Berners are big on disposable income R B Garr Jan 2017 #249

Yes. I grew up in Maryland... SMC22307 Jan 2017 #252

You do seem to be enjoying brave's threads! R B Garr Jan 2017 #259

Have you been land-locked your entire life? SMC22307 Jan 2017 #267

So all those people on boats behind Bernie in R B Garr Jan 2017 #270

Beats the hell out of me... I haven't analyzed the photo. SMC22307 Jan 2017 #284

How about Bernie-supporting Susan Sarandon's $50 million R B Garr Jan 2017 #287

I don't follow her... is she the seafarin' type? SMC22307 Jan 2017 #352

Surely boats aren't the only thing you think about buying if you R B Garr Jan 2017 #378

I live in MD forjusticethunders Jan 2017 #318

That's nice. SMC22307 Jan 2017 #449

Uh, I spent a significant portion of my childhood in Maryland as well. Bullshit. kcr Jan 2017 #333

Uh, indeed! Many of the less wealthy do heavily prioritize it... SMC22307 Jan 2017 #450

Time to stop complaining and get out into the streets portlander23 Jan 2017 #164

It'll go away as soon as Sanders admits that he lost & stops attacking Democrats. baldguy Jan 2017 #176

True dat bravenak Jan 2017 #216

Thank you! Cha Jan 2017 #236

+1 uponit7771 Jan 2017 #309

Me too lunamagica Jan 2017 #469

Sanders will not stopping attacking democrats because he has books to sell Gothmog Jan 2017 #476

Actually, your trying to kill the messenger because you can't address Cha Jan 2017 #235

Yep melman Jan 2017 #263

Thank You! + 10000000000000000000000000 NeoConsSuck Jan 2017 #448

Good To Read Me. Jan 2017 #23

Me too bravenak Jan 2017 #29

Dems have lost a record of number of states... SMC22307 Jan 2017 #116

And this is why the Democrats are incapable of uniting behind anyone. Binkie The Clown Jan 2017 #25

We dont all have to be in love with him to be real democrats bravenak Jan 2017 #31

The way I look at it is... check077 Jan 2017 #114

The primary is over. You're only helping Trump at this point. DLevine Jan 2017 #32

Him attacking the party is what helps Trump bravenak Jan 2017 #39

You are working very hard to divide DUers. DLevine Jan 2017 #42

And calling democrats out of touch helps who? bravenak Jan 2017 #60

Why still arguing about Bernie? snowy owl Jan 2017 #35

He failed to break even bravenak Jan 2017 #40

One reason? yallerdawg Jan 2017 #43

I participated in gotv efforts in my neighborhood (mostly black) and colleges NWCorona Jan 2017 #44

I am younger than you bravenak Jan 2017 #57

Yes you are but not by much :) NWCorona Jan 2017 #66

I liked bernie better bravenak Jan 2017 #75

You liked B better? Really? Based on your DU writings, I'm surprised. snowy owl Jan 2017 #115

Be surprised if you want to bravenak Jan 2017 #133

That Seattle rally when the mic was taken out of his hand? He didn't complain -- Akamai Jan 2017 #280

It was the nasty reaction by his group to black people and black lives matter bravenak Jan 2017 #282

Bravenak -- you are very, very naive, I think if those insults changed your mind. You think Akamai Jan 2017 #286

They were people who used to post here for years bravenak Jan 2017 #288

How many progressives that you know did that versus the total number of people doing that? Akamai Jan 2017 #290

Did you miss that summer here? bravenak Jan 2017 #291

Daniel Kahnman wrote a book about thinking mistakes, and he himself said Akamai Jan 2017 #294

Go read the articles from the summer of 2015 bravenak Jan 2017 #295

Really, you are absolutely sure that David Brock and his admitted Akamai Jan 2017 #297

Umm hmm. bravenak Jan 2017 #298

So you got stats on this? Not simply stating your opinion? Akamai Jan 2017 #301

Why would I need stats? Do you think they poll everything in life? Thats crazy bravenak Jan 2017 #305

Here: bravenak Jan 2017 #300

Once again. Who knows how many of them were not trolls? Akamai Jan 2017 #303

It doesnt matter how many bravenak Jan 2017 #304

For a while I tried to seperate Sanders from that shit too. It just got too much to ignore. forjusticethunders Jan 2017 #319

I tried to too bravenak Jan 2017 #343

Also, keep in mind that states w/high black populations voted first. PotatoChip Jan 2017 #360

yes. They voted first before he had name recognition, and the "liberal" media outlets JCanete Jan 2017 #361

Yes, the media collusion with the Clinton campaign was disgraceful. PotatoChip Jan 2017 #369

Iowa and New Hampshire are two 90%+ white states Gothmog Jan 2017 #401

Bernie Sanders also said my vote should not count because i am from Alabama. stonecutter357 Jan 2017 #46

Oh, the confederacy bravenak Jan 2017 #54

Nor mine since I am from Florida mcar Jan 2017 #65

No, that's not what he said at all. SMC22307 Jan 2017 #122

Also related to this, he did not think that the primaries should be front-loaded Akamai Jan 2017 #281

Would it have been a bigger waste brer cat Jan 2017 #410

Sanders also want to reject my vote because I am Texas Gothmog Jan 2017 #372

In the interest of constructive criticism my perception is that his reliance on RW talking points ucrdem Jan 2017 #48

He lost his MOJO? Hardly. It's stronger than ever and he's making history NWCorona Jan 2017 #50

He didn't crash and burn, but he lost by 6.1%, and CA was his only hope. ucrdem Jan 2017 #62

If it was decided well before he started it was because people didn't know him NWCorona Jan 2017 #70

Not exactly. He was riding high all summer until the first debate. ucrdem Jan 2017 #73

Not exactly. A look at the polling tend lines says otherwise. NWCorona Jan 2017 #90

+1 uponit7771 Jan 2017 #310

Exactly, ucr.. " And that is one reason many are still furious at the way he conducted his campaign" Cha Jan 2017 #232

Trump used those lines to perfection bravenak Jan 2017 #58

Well-said. BlueMTexpat Jan 2017 #99

Maybe we're all out of touch in our own way. HassleCat Jan 2017 #49

True bravenak Jan 2017 #55

But what about Killer Mike, bravenak?... SidDithers Jan 2017 #94

Yeah, I heard Bernie Sanders ate SOUL FOOD with Killer Mike. betsuni Jan 2017 #98

Killer Mike is pretty good, but Animotion is more apropos. QC Jan 2017 #108

I know, lol bravenak Jan 2017 #112

I prefer Harry Belafonte NWCorona Jan 2017 #140

Awesome! Although the Woodchucks... SMC22307 Jan 2017 #169

+1 uponit7771 Jan 2017 #311

... Quayblue Jan 2017 #337

Seriously, go away already....hillary lost . get over it and move on bowens43 Jan 2017 #102

Sanders Who Isn't A Democrat Should STFU otohara Jan 2017 #181

Agree bravenak Jan 2017 #191

+1 uponit7771 Jan 2017 #312

What does faithful democrat mean to you? And people have a very very narrow lens through which JCanete Jan 2017 #327

It Means - Don't Take A Giant Public Dump On The Winner otohara Jan 2017 #366

You want to use the worst examples of Sanders supporters to define all of us. Wouldn't you object to JCanete Jan 2017 #370

+1 liquid diamond Jan 2017 #377

Whatever. Snackshack Jan 2017 #103

Did you see his appearance on MSNBC this morning? What he said was not "uniting". George II Jan 2017 #144

He's fought for PoC in the past.. Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2017 #104

There were valid reasons why POC and other groups rejected Sanders Gothmog Jan 2017 #119

I voted for Obama in '08 and '12, and I was extremely relieved... Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2017 #163

Please don't start again with this tired shit. Chitown Kev Jan 2017 #123

+1 snowy owl Jan 2017 #131

I wasn't on DU during the primaries, nor did I vote at all in Ohio's primary. Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2017 #147

I wasn't all that excited by Clinton either, to be honest Chitown Kev Jan 2017 #153

we need new leadership, people like Gavin Newsom. Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #220

+1 uponit7771 Jan 2017 #313

That was not sufficient to win our votes forty years later bravenak Jan 2017 #134

Do you guys realize that the year is now 2017? Quayblue Jan 2017 #338

Fine. Its not something he did, and usually this was brought up in response to JCanete Jan 2017 #339

The culture sorounding him is why he was rejected bravenak Jan 2017 #350

You tried to make that his base is what you tried to do. nt JCanete Jan 2017 #351

It is his base. They post at jpr now bravenak Jan 2017 #353

see! well at least you don't deny it. I know plenty of Sanders supporters, none of which are as you JCanete Jan 2017 #356

Then they should have noticed us complaining and checked their friends bravenak Jan 2017 #362

That behavior was largely exaggerated as to its actual reach and scope, intentionally so. A lie JCanete Jan 2017 #363

Only white people say racism is exaggerated bravenak Jan 2017 #365

but that isn't what I said. I told you it wasn't many of us. I certainly didn't know any and if I JCanete Jan 2017 #367

You do not know how many; I dont know how many bravenak Jan 2017 #374

of course it caused a rift. It was designed to. JCanete Jan 2017 #376

If there was a concerted effort to paint him as bad, why feed the fire? bravenak Jan 2017 #382

she outright told people in the black community that if "that" was how they were going to approach JCanete Jan 2017 #383

She was right bravenak Jan 2017 #384

a hit job that is directed at the carrier of a progressive message that takes on the institutions, JCanete Jan 2017 #386

Actually, they do have a better social justice platform bravenak Jan 2017 #393

How do we discuss this. If I can't point out why I think he's better on social issues, JCanete Jan 2017 #395

We can discuss it fine bravenak Jan 2017 #396

I do realize that and have said so repeatedly. You keep ascribing a behavior to me that either does JCanete Jan 2017 #403

You are right about that, we need to not trust politicians, and really, I only do trust Obama bravenak Jan 2017 #406

Fair enough. I appreciate that you're a considerate communicator and honest broker when it comes to JCanete Jan 2017 #408

Thank you, I enjoyed our discussion bravenak Jan 2017 #409

This ONE fucking sentence sums up two fucking centuries+ of Left failure. Goddamn I'm in awe. forjusticethunders Jan 2017 #457

Well said! mcar Jan 2017 #411

I got to deal with that base first hand at the National Convention Gothmog Jan 2017 #373

My condolences for your experience at the hands of bad actors. I wish we as humans were better JCanete Jan 2017 #380

They were delegates to the national convention and so should have represented sanders base Gothmog Jan 2017 #387

Okay forjusticethunders Jan 2017 #379

Did anyone read the article? Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2017 #385

The DNC is not out of touch, we put Sanders issues in our platform, Thinkingabout Jan 2017 #111

He brought people into the party. Some left, some stayed. That helped HRC. End of story. snowy owl Jan 2017 #120

Too much turmoil, continuing that turmoil WILL NOT unite of help the DNC. Thinkingabout Jan 2017 #124

totally agree snowy owl Jan 2017 #127

In the real world, Sanders's so-called revolution failed and he did not bring in new voters Gothmog Jan 2017 #375

THIS! check077 Jan 2017 #135

I love this article-it is a great piece Gothmog Jan 2017 #128

It has points I agree with but might be a bit... bravenak Jan 2017 #145

It is well written piece Gothmog Jan 2017 #330

Sanders complaining about others not listening and being out of touch is ironic. betsuni Jan 2017 #136

Oh yeah. bravenak Jan 2017 #149

And yet, Sanders is the de facto voice of the Democratic Party Fiendish Thingy Jan 2017 #137

Why was he not there to oppose the EC confirming Trump, then? bravenak Jan 2017 #152

Because he knows how it works. Why waste his time? HRC wasn't there either. snowy owl Jan 2017 #157

I'm fine with that bravenak Jan 2017 #160

You're too easily annoyed. SMC22307 Jan 2017 #165

I find the Bernie-is-the-ONLY-one-fighting claim to be offensive. betsuni Jan 2017 #170

It's like he is a god bravenak Jan 2017 #172

In the immortal words of Lee Daniels... do the work! SMC22307 Jan 2017 #192

No, I have a feeling you have much, much, much more free time to post things online. betsuni Jan 2017 #251

Lame excuse. I've been here since 2013... SMC22307 Jan 2017 #255

That should be, "I've been here since 2013 -- WHERE WAS HILLARY?!!" betsuni Jan 2017 #256

What the hell does that even mean? You trying to peg me... SMC22307 Jan 2017 #262

Oh, my. Just havin' some fun with the "Where was Hillary"! You told me to do more work... betsuni Jan 2017 #266

Doesn't that pic bring a smile to your face? SMC22307 Jan 2017 #269

LOL, article says the Cuomo plan is closer to Hillary's. R B Garr Jan 2017 #289

Yet Bernie was sitting by Cuomo's side. SMC22307 Jan 2017 #293

Sitting in a state that Hillary won with a proposal R B Garr Jan 2017 #299

Can't deny these optics... SMC22307 Jan 2017 #453

I have to laugh that you think Bernie soaking up the spotlight is some R B Garr Jan 2017 #462

Sanders was out on a tour to sell books Gothmog Jan 2017 #468

Wasn't it the CBC who stood up during the EC certification? Again mcar Jan 2017 #194

Yep bravenak Jan 2017 #209

Don't forget Gandhi! mcar Jan 2017 #211

Mother Theresa!! bravenak Jan 2017 #213

Rosa Parks! mcar Jan 2017 #217

I know, lol bravenak Jan 2017 #218

Sheila Jackson Lee was part of the group standing up Gothmog Jan 2017 #355

Indeed, that question should be asked 48 times Fiendish Thingy Jan 2017 #195

Damn straight bravenak Jan 2017 #206

is bashing the DNC going to help, no, and telling the DNC will not unite the party Thinkingabout Jan 2017 #173

One person's bashing is another's constructive criticism n/t Fiendish Thingy Jan 2017 #199

How about constructive ideas, how about getting touch with the DNC, Thinkingabout Jan 2017 #224

The only thing we need to remember marked50 Jan 2017 #141

They are not my enemies, but some of them think democrats as a whole are their enemies. bravenak Jan 2017 #151

I would place those who "think democrats as a whole are their enemies" as those who are against marked50 Jan 2017 #180

Those who dole out criticisms must learn to accept criticisms. This is criticism in written form. bravenak Jan 2017 #187

Well, you are going about it in a pretty non-productive way. marked50 Jan 2017 #196

I do not find his way very productive either but I decided to give the old college try bravenak Jan 2017 #203

Be careful of tying your identity to closely to a "label or ideology" is all I can suggest. marked50 Jan 2017 #210

I know who I am bravenak Jan 2017 #214

I wish we still had 'UNRECOMMEND'.... alittlelark Jan 2017 #143

Well, we don't, so.... bravenak Jan 2017 #150

Bwahaha... New York is going free college tuition. SMC22307 Jan 2017 #158

Your post makes me very happy! He's left his mark. In a dark future, his may be the brightest light. snowy owl Jan 2017 #168

Think of all the POC it will help... SMC22307 Jan 2017 #179

Hey, they both ran fine campaigns elmac Jan 2017 #171

This is just a response to him calling democrats out of touch bravenak Jan 2017 #174

Do you post only divisive horseshit? EvolveOrConvolve Jan 2017 #175

Do you post your own ops? bravenak Jan 2017 #184

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You seem angry bravenak Jan 2017 #201

Of course I'm angry EvolveOrConvolve Jan 2017 #205

I'm pissed too bravenak Jan 2017 #208

That's your goal achieved then melman Jan 2017 #260

"Just try not to get in the way." SMC22307 Jan 2017 #193

Really ..its getting a little tiresome reading this shit about Bernie Sanders which is Bull shit INdemo Jan 2017 #182

Dont read it bravenak Jan 2017 #188

BS lost the primary by almost 4 million votes because his Cha Jan 2017 #204

Please enough humbled_opinion Jan 2017 #186

I dont think calling the party out of touch is helpful bravenak Jan 2017 #189

Interesting, isn't it, that when Bernie criticizes fellow Democrats, he's helping them by speaking EffieBlack Jan 2017 #226

Very interesting bravenak Jan 2017 #227

You're just being honest and are only helping him see the error of his ways and do better EffieBlack Jan 2017 #228

Nothing should be wrong with it bravenak Jan 2017 #229

+1, Calling dems out of touch is overtly dismissive of CALCULATED effects of voter suppression and uponit7771 Jan 2017 #314

I had hoped he was just caught up in the campaign and would act right later bravenak Jan 2017 #364

The party is out of touch though. It just is. It thinks it can win by being friendly with big money. JCanete Jan 2017 #331

And so is he, out of touch bravenak Jan 2017 #342

but you don't like that he's saying the party is out of touch. Do you want that to continue? nt JCanete Jan 2017 #345

When one points a finger they oft find a hundred pointing back bravenak Jan 2017 #346

You didn't address the ways I called us out of touch in the previous post. Repeating that we aren't JCanete Jan 2017 #347

You are wrong. We win millions more votes, we touch lives bravenak Jan 2017 #348

Our party loses elections because of the media. Yes or no? nt JCanete Jan 2017 #349

The media and the fact that we are scared to be mean back to republicans bravenak Jan 2017 #354

so you do agree with me, our approach IS out of touch! We don't do the very thing you say we need JCanete Jan 2017 #357

I have my reasons. I refuse to join Dtrump in trashing my party bravenak Jan 2017 #358

In some families, especially those of marginalized groups of whatever color forjusticethunders Jan 2017 #458

Well again, Sanders is welcome into the party by those of us in the party. You can say he's a JCanete Jan 2017 #471

But, BS going around saying the "Dems lost because they are out Cha Jan 2017 #230

+1 uponit7771 Jan 2017 #315

Better than calling them "morally depraved" and accusing them QC Jan 2017 #325

K&R! R B Garr Jan 2017 #202

I would love for him to focus on republican corruption bravenak Jan 2017 #212

Absolutely. It would be a refreshing change. R B Garr Jan 2017 #268

So America Isn't An Oligarchy? OldYallow Jan 2017 #296

I bet that Carter would rather have Clinton as President than Trump. R B Garr Jan 2017 #323

BS elleng Jan 2017 #222

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Laying low... sheshe2 Jan 2017 #231

I should do that too bravenak Jan 2017 #234

Yeah, well we do what we need to do. sheshe2 Jan 2017 #237

Oh, good, something needs done about that bravenak Jan 2017 #238

Yup.... sheshe2 Jan 2017 #240

No! This thread is like a fast-paced action movie, it is very entertaining. betsuni Jan 2017 #243

Hee hee bravenak Jan 2017 #245

except for the part kcdoug1 Jan 2017 #272

And yet he couldn't even win the Primary with those crowds. randome Jan 2017 #308

... or Russia hacked stated and local electoral boards and the RWTP became "didn't affect election" uponit7771 Jan 2017 #317

+1, dems out of touch there was no Comey, Russia and voter suppression. Blame the victim shit uponit7771 Jan 2017 #316

Agreed.. I am so tired of him. He lost to Hillary. How can he give any advice? nt asuhornets Jan 2017 #328

Sanders lost because he was out of touch with minorities and Clinton lost because hollowdweller Jan 2017 #332

The obsession is pretty sad Arazi Jan 2017 #340

Bullshit. Orsino Jan 2017 #341

Yes because Jewish, African American and Latino voters rejected Sanders Gothmog Jan 2017 #390

Truth. nt LexVegas Jan 2017 #344

It does hurt when he still spews bullshit like this: Blue_Tires Jan 2017 #423

That makes the vomit rise in my throat bravenak Jan 2017 #424

Sanders is ignoring his role in helping Trump win Gothmog Jan 2017 #426

I disagree that he had a role in that. The corporate media however...so I do not really know JCanete Jan 2017 #428

I live in the real world where facts and authorities are important Gothmog Jan 2017 #431

So you aren't a simple computer algorithm then? I'm glad you cleared that up for me, for like the JCanete Jan 2017 #434

That is amusing coming from someone who does not use facts in his/her/its posts Gothmog Jan 2017 #435

Exactly why I never trusted him. Quayblue Jan 2017 #429

He was asked to say something positive about Trump given that he'd called him a pathological liar. JCanete Jan 2017 #430

No. Sanders' backhanded compliments focus on himself. That's why his comment R B Garr Jan 2017 #432

The media gave him no such pass. You paid attention to a different primary than I did. JCanete Jan 2017 #433

This is just another version of Bernie Math to make him out to be R B Garr Jan 2017 #436

I don't give a fuck what Trump picked up and ran with. He's a crazy motherfucker. JCanete Jan 2017 #438

So you're basically saying that Sanders' whole platform is nothing but R B Garr Jan 2017 #439

Irresponsible to name specific names, without an investigation. They already knew banks had broken JCanete Jan 2017 #441

lol, so now it's "irresponsible" to name names of people he is R B Garr Jan 2017 #460

He wasn't accusing Clinton of illegal corruption though. He just wasn't. He was saying that money JCanete Jan 2017 #470

He was unable to prove that money influenced Clinton, but R B Garr Jan 2017 #473

you don't understand what the criticism of incrementalism was, and frankly, a lot of JCanete Jan 2017 #475

Yeah, it was not hard to understand Sanders' rhetoric because it was R B Garr Jan 2017 #478

okay, I think we can both agree this conversation isn't going anywhere. You aren't bothering to JCanete Jan 2017 #479

Sure thing, but again, it's not hard to come up with really exciting R B Garr Jan 2017 #481

total BS garybeck Jan 2017 #437

That race card you play every day on here is getting frayed LiberalLovinLug Jan 2017 #440

If you think black women discussing race us race baiting then YOU ARE THE ONE WITH bravenak Jan 2017 #442

whoooooosh LiberalLovinLug Jan 2017 #446

I read it all the time bravenak Jan 2017 #447

The things that are frayed are the condescending jerk cards. betsuni Jan 2017 #455

You are too funny bravenak Jan 2017 #463

why thank you LiberalLovinLug Jan 2017 #472

"Getting"? SMC22307 Jan 2017 #454

yes you are correct LiberalLovinLug Jan 2017 #474

To all those who smear this as divisive. Sanders is the one who is continuing the divide. kcr Jan 2017 #443

Exactly. At any time he can decide to just simply stop crapping on dems bravenak Jan 2017 #444

He isn't praising Trump. He hasn't praised Trump. Saying that he won the election with JCanete Jan 2017 #445

Sanders said "Trump took on the Establishment". forjusticethunders Jan 2017 #459

The president spoke on this subject tonight HassleCat Jan 2017 #451