2016 Postmortem

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23. No, I am refuting the speculation of those who say Bernie would have won, and for those

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self-identified progressives who refused to vote for Hillary and either voted write in, third party or didn't vote

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Yes, Bernie Sanders would have beaten Trump, but the real question is [View all] mtnsnake Jan 2017 OP

Wuda Shuda Cuda WhiteTara Jan 2017 #1

Post removed Post removed Jan 2017 #6

what ever cheating you feel went on bernie couldnt win the primary Ohioblue22 Jan 2017 #15

So they are so corrupt that they cheat even when they don't need to? n/t Motown_Johnny Jan 2017 #18

It's in their nature. They can't help it. It's who they are. brush Jan 2017 #63

He couldn't win the primary with Debbie Schultz in that drivers seat..n/t monmouth4 Jan 2017 #21

He couldn't win the primary with asshat Jeff Weaver in the driver's seat emulatorloo Jan 2017 #24

Yeah, Bernie saw no growth in support or popularity TDale313 Jan 2017 #59

AA, Latinos, Jewish voters, etc? What did Weaver do to bring those voters to Bernie? emulatorloo Jan 2017 #120

the all-powerful shultz did it .... ok......nt Ohioblue22 Jan 2017 #31

+1000 putitinD Jan 2017 #76

The DNC had nothing to do with Sanders being soundly rejected by Jewish, African American and Latino Gothmog Jan 2017 #88

They cheated by getting more votes? WhiteTara Jan 2017 #19

Never again. He trashed the party all through the primaries and then wouldn't concede when beaten brush Jan 2017 #65

My feelings too. WhiteTara Jan 2017 #67

Re: He is STILL trashing the Party SFnomad Jan 2017 #68

I agree completely. Demsrule86 Jan 2017 #146

Point to specific actions that the DNC took to "cheat." emulatorloo Jan 2017 #25

Donna Brazile fed debate questions to Hillary. Qutzupalotl Jan 2017 #35

That was during the general in a debate with trump. Frankly, I have no problem with that. brush Jan 2017 #69

No, it was the primary debate in Flint. Qutzupalotl Jan 2017 #80

The incident I'm talking about was a debate with trump brush Jan 2017 #82

Link is unrelated Qutzupalotl Jan 2017 #85

Ignoring a fact does make it go away Gothmog Jan 2017 #87

The DNC recommended the staffer involved Qutzupalotl Jan 2017 #89

Sanders people still illegally took Clinton data Gothmog Jan 2017 #91

The DNC was supposed to provide a firewall Qutzupalotl Jan 2017 #94

Ahhhh ... no. The Sanders campaign broke through the firewall brush Jan 2017 #96

There was no firewall to break through. Qutzupalotl Jan 2017 #97

That's not how I remember it. But why did the Sanders campaign take the info, firewall or not? brush Jan 2017 #98

Because the DNC had ignored their reports about this issue Qutzupalotl Jan 2017 #108

So they took the info to prove it could be taken? O-k-a-a-a-a-a-y! brush Jan 2017 #116

And Bernie fired them for it. Qutzupalotl Jan 2017 #117

And he should have fired Jeff Weaver as well emulatorloo Jan 2017 #121

Weaver sued the DNC to restore Sanders' access to his own data. Qutzupalotl Jan 2017 #122

He sued because he's a hot-head and a monumental fuck-up emulatorloo Jan 2017 #123

He sued because the DNC cut off Bernie's access to his own data. Qutzupalotl Jan 2017 #124

I didn't say or intend to say you did. emulatorloo Jan 2017 #125

OK, but imagine if he did not sue. Qutzupalotl Jan 2017 #127

Of course! emulatorloo Jan 2017 #128

I think it's creative how hold two different standards LanternWaste Jan 2017 #143

There were ethical breaches on both sides Qutzupalotl Jan 2017 #144

Which has NADA to do with Sanders. Lil Missy Jan 2017 #107

That would be true if they fed him the debate questions too. Qutzupalotl Jan 2017 #109

He was not in that debate, nor did he EVER debate Trump. Sanders lost the Primary ... remember? Lil Missy Jan 2017 #110

He was in the debate in Flint where Hillary was fed a question in advance. Qutzupalotl Jan 2017 #111

Donna has denied that actually...but when I heard the questions she supposedly Demsrule86 Jan 2017 #147

It was obvious to any objective observer the games played over the debates. Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2017 #53

I'm really not sure why Sanders felt the need to cheat. NCTraveler Jan 2017 #72

If by "they" you mean the Democratic Party, they did not cheat. synergie Jan 2017 #84

Millions of "Democrats" disagreed. n/t Tarheel_Dem Jan 2017 #2

Sigh mcar Jan 2017 #3

Geez. Make it stop already. eom Blanks Jan 2017 #4

Yes, he still would have won. Motown_Johnny Jan 2017 #5

Yes, I think he would have, too mtnsnake Jan 2017 #7

I think Free Trade is what sunk Hillary. Motown_Johnny Jan 2017 #8

What happened to Russ Feingold, Zypher Teachout, and every Democrat running for Senate in those still_one Jan 2017 #11

You will get crickets on this pertinent question mcar Jan 2017 #40

The democratic base had depressed voter turnout in those states. killbotfactory Jan 2017 #48

not a bad analysis in my opinion, and definitely contributory still_one Jan 2017 #49

FBI Putin Assange WhiteTara Jan 2017 #54

He lost because millions of people WhiteTara Jan 2017 #20

So you would have voted against Bernie in the General Election? Motown_Johnny Jan 2017 #30

You do know what assume means, don't you? WhiteTara Jan 2017 #51

Same here. Along with 4 million other democrats liquid diamond Jan 2017 #34

Lets see, lost primary, zypher teachout and Russ feingold heavily endorsed by Bernie lost, and every still_one Jan 2017 #9

So you're blaming Bernie Sanders for all those losses? mtnsnake Jan 2017 #13

No, I am refuting the speculation of those who say Bernie would have won, and for those still_one Jan 2017 #23

The best measurement of electability that we have is favorability. Motown_Johnny Jan 2017 #32

Sorry, Hillary got more votes, and the bullshit from people like greg palast who falsely still_one Jan 2017 #38

Trump won because of sexism and racism mcar Jan 2017 #41

So Bernie would have had parity with Trump HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #103

I have my doubts that Sanders would have won. hrmjustin Jan 2017 #10

There's no facts to back up Bernie would have beaten trump FloridaBlues Jan 2017 #12

Because... WhiteTara Jan 2017 #22

To divide Democrats. baldguy Jan 2017 #36

At least we still have Bernie in the Senate HockeyMom Jan 2017 #14

well you think that all you want doesnt make it so. bernie is a socialist who said our taxes Ohioblue22 Jan 2017 #16

No, he wouldn't have beaten Trump, the real question is why you guys keep synergie Jan 2017 #17

Excellent post... LenaBaby61 Jan 2017 #37

Exactly. This attacking the Democrats who voted, Hillary supporters and the DNC synergie Jan 2017 #83

Thank you. And to Hillary's credit she didn't use the negative oppo research against Sanders, . . . brush Jan 2017 #100

They seem to spend more time bashing Democrats and Hillary than Trump, GOP or Putin. synergie Jan 2017 #118

I think you are over-thinking. Really - does the "republican base" give a shit who trump jmg257 Jan 2017 #26

He would have beaten Trump the same way Russ Feingold beat Ron Johnson emulatorloo Jan 2017 #27

good point. and russ feingold lost to johnson by several percentage points, while Hillary lost still_one Jan 2017 #39

Young people stayed home in Wisconsin in the ge. You can't pin that on Bernie. Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2017 #50

Lol, I'm not "pinning" anything on Bernie. Just pointing out that OP's reasoning is faulty emulatorloo Jan 2017 #75

You are pretending the top of the ticket doesn't have a huge influence down ballot. Ridiculous Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2017 #81

I'm not "pretending" anything. emulatorloo Jan 2017 #119

Oh, ffs! This is getting pathetic. Sissyk Jan 2017 #28

I think Bernie would have gotten alot of republicans votes. putitinD Jan 2017 #77

True. and all the Dems who voted for Trump. ciaobaby Jan 2017 #129

Will this stuff ever end? n/t rzemanfl Jan 2017 #29

No BS wouldn't have won if he had ever made it out of the primaries. Cha Jan 2017 #33

This has got to stop Saviolo Jan 2017 #42

Thank you! Cha Jan 2017 #43

I'm thinking about making it an OP Saviolo Jan 2017 #44

Do it! Cha Jan 2017 #45

Thanks! Saviolo Jan 2017 #46

The DNC had nothing to do with the fact that Jewish, African American and Latino voters rejected Gothmog Jan 2017 #130

Its obvious that some folks NanceGreggs Jan 2017 #47

This Postmortem thing needs to end. Well said, Nance. n/t rzemanfl Jan 2017 #52

It sure does still_one Jan 2017 #56

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Perfect. Thank you! n/t VOX Jan 2017 #62

Fairy tales?? Hahaha, look who's talking, the matriarch of fairy tales and fables herself! mtnsnake Jan 2017 #64

I have never claimed that Hillary won the election. NanceGreggs Jan 2017 #71

Hallelujah! I'm glad to hear you admit that Hillary lost mtnsnake Jan 2017 #93

When did I not admit it? NanceGreggs Jan 2017 #131

Oh yeah. Cha Jan 2017 #74

Yep Gothmog Jan 2017 #90

Trump would have crushed Sanders Grey Lemercier Jan 2017 #57

BERNIE LOST Maven Jan 2017 #58

She DID beat Trump, and here we are. ucrdem Jan 2017 #60

Sure she did. That's why everyone's talking about President-elect Clinton, right? mtnsnake Jan 2017 #66

This dead horse isn't going to resurrect itself... VOX Jan 2017 #61

. NCTraveler Jan 2017 #70

The real question now is how do we keep this from happening again? potone Jan 2017 #73

Bernie walks on water, too! SharonClark Jan 2017 #78

Beaten him at what? Jakes Progress Jan 2017 #79

Good points, especially about the baggage thing mtnsnake Jan 2017 #95

And beginning in March or April Jakes Progress Jan 2017 #115

Sanders was on the ballot in 2016 and under performed Clinton Gothmog Jan 2017 #86

We will never know. However, what we do know is that Clinton lost to Trump. jalan48 Jan 2017 #92

We can't know that Sanders would have won. Orsino Jan 2017 #99

Would it have made a difference with both houses of Congress being republican? no_hypocrisy Jan 2017 #101

He didn't win enough votes in the primary. Historic NY Jan 2017 #102

Understand what you are saying there. That said; I really do not think Clinton could have beaten a Alekzander Jan 2017 #104

Only one way to settle this HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #105

No reason to read beyond the subject line. Lil Missy Jan 2017 #106

But you obviously did read beyond it mtnsnake Jan 2017 #112

Actually, I didn't. But if such delusion comforts you, so be it. Lil Missy Jan 2017 #113

Okay I'll take your word for it. mtnsnake Jan 2017 #114

Why even bring this up again? radical noodle Jan 2017 #126

So you must think that the oligarchs in Russia would have preferred Bernie pnwmom Jan 2017 #132

100% your words, not mine mtnsnake Jan 2017 #133

Why do you think that the Russian oligarchs wouldn't have interfered pnwmom Jan 2017 #134

There's nothing about Russia in my post, so either you meant to post that in a different thread mtnsnake Jan 2017 #135

You are desperately trying to IGNORE Russia, but in the real world we can't. pnwmom Jan 2017 #136

You are desperately trying to hijack a thread again by getting it off subject. mtnsnake Jan 2017 #137

You can't truthfully state that Russia wasn't part of the 2016 election. pnwmom Jan 2017 #138

Obviously, I never did state that. mtnsnake Jan 2017 #139

I agree. Emotion tends to thwart good intellectual points. snowy owl Jan 2017 #140

Nope, Bernie Sanders would not have beaten Trump, but the real question is zappaman Jan 2017 #141

Nope, Trump beats Sanders easily and here is why stevenleser Jan 2017 #142

If Bernie could not win a primary, he was never going to win an election. Demsrule86 Jan 2017 #145