2016 Postmortem

Ken Burch

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18. If I was part of those efforts, you'd have a point.

Tue Dec 20, 2016, 10:49 PM

Dec 2016

Hillary had every right to have run. She was nominated. I campaigned for her, as did most Sanders supporters.

It's not delegitimization to ask a few questions about tactics and strategy, which is all I've done.

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How are the continuing attempts to delegitmize Bernie's campaign NOT "refighting the primaries"? [View all] Ken Burch Dec 2016 OP

It is a response to the Bernie would have won trope bravenak Dec 2016 #1

It definitely is a cycle NWCorona Dec 2016 #22

It will end soon and we will abuse each other over something else bravenak Dec 2016 #24

True NWCorona Dec 2016 #34

I'm sure... tonedevil Dec 2016 #57

Bored? bravenak Dec 2016 #63

Pulling... tonedevil Dec 2016 #67

Interesting bravenak Dec 2016 #69

Recommended. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #2

Blaming other candidates is a lot easier than admitting we lost and asking why without lame excuses realmirage Dec 2016 #3

Here, here! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #78

Rec'd... Hillary is the past, Bernie is the future JoeOtterbein Dec 2016 #4

The future of what? grossproffit Dec 2016 #6

Losing against a pervert again if we vote for Hillary again!!!! JoeOtterbein Dec 2016 #7

You didn't answer the question. grossproffit Dec 2016 #9

I'll make a deal, if you can tell me how Hillary could lose to a PERVERT, .. JoeOtterbein Dec 2016 #12

Hillary WON by 3 MILLION votes over Trump. She did not get into the gutter with Trump, and she won Hekate Dec 2016 #42

"I really am tired of arguing the issue with Bernie supporters. It's too much like religion." Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #61

The guy seems to have a thing for spamming this thread with "pervert," all caps Hekate Dec 2016 #65

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Haven't seen a flyswatter in a couple of months Hekate Dec 2016 #71

Blame NAFTA and the DC rule that says you are never to admit a mistake. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #72

What ARE you going on about? Hekate Dec 2016 #80

Do you REALLY want to hear about the Neoliberal disaster? Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #97

Our Party has a serious problem, we have lost statehouses, governorships, House and Senate, and now Dustlawyer Dec 2016 #102

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"She did not get into the gutter with Trump" - Not the gutter, but her campaign was all about him. MadDAsHell Dec 2016 #152

This message was self-deleted by its author emulatorloo Dec 2016 #86

The future of losing Rincewind Dec 2016 #98

While Hillary will never run for president I'd hardly call her the past NWCorona Dec 2016 #26

Right. Relegate women to the dustbin of history WhiteTara Dec 2016 #45

Bernie is 75 years old Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2016 #50

Please stop with the ageism. Thanks! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #83

How about worrying about 2018 first? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2016 #88

I'm worried about EVERY FUCKIN' DAY that Nazi POS will be on office... InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #92

Bernie IS the future! And the present, as he leads the fight against the Fuhrer-Elect. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #81

Yep jack_krass Dec 2016 #111

Hm sheshe2 Dec 2016 #5

Because Hillary LOST, against a pervert at that! JoeOtterbein Dec 2016 #8

I hate to be the one to break this to you but Bernie lost to Hillary. grossproffit Dec 2016 #10

and bernie lost to hillary hugely. sheshe2 Dec 2016 #11

HA! And I'll break it to you: Hillary lost to a pervert. BIGGLY!!! NOT Bernie! JoeOtterbein Dec 2016 #13

you seem to need to spam this thread with the word PERVERT. KittyWampus Dec 2016 #14

It's more than a little strange. And it's being used to make a pretty idiotic point. Squinch Dec 2016 #16

PERVERT is the best name for Trump. It IS what he IS. Do you have better? JoeOtterbein Dec 2016 #27

Benedict Donald. Tinyhands Trump. Mad King Donald of the Golden Tower. Hekate Dec 2016 #82

Or are you saying perversion is not a valid point? Really????? JoeOtterbein Dec 2016 #29

This Grey Lemercier Dec 2016 #100

Well, I will break it to you as well.... sheshe2 Dec 2016 #15

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Yes, she did. With the help of the FBI, Russia, BoBers, WhiteTara Dec 2016 #48

She lost because James Comey diverted the attention away from the stories pnwmom Dec 2016 #49

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If I was part of those efforts, you'd have a point. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #18

Keep up the good fight Ken, the losers will continue to lose and we will win... JoeOtterbein Dec 2016 #20

oh dear God.. stick a pin in it.. JHan Dec 2016 #51

Oh, FFS, Ken NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #17

Hillary never used the most powerful weapon against Trump (PERVERT) WHY!!! JoeOtterbein Dec 2016 #21

Really? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2016 #52

Are you saying she should have CALLED Trump a "pervert"? Ken Burch Dec 2016 #77

We will never give up until we WIN! JoeOtterbein Dec 2016 #23

With an attitude like yours, we won't win another election EVER mtnsnake Dec 2016 #25

NO if we let a prevert win without a mention. WE will lose again, again, again JoeOtterbein Dec 2016 #30

WTH does that have to do with the OP? mtnsnake Dec 2016 #35

Yeah, because nothing says "unity" ... NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #62

If a person needs a "good" attitude to vote against an overtly racist person then she's nancegregs.. uponit7771 Dec 2016 #128

I'm not defending anyone's decision not to vote for Hillary. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #40

You keep harping on ... NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #54

I don't want anyone kowtowed to. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #74

Well stated, Ken! True Dough Dec 2016 #101

Thank you. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #117

+1 uponit7771 Dec 2016 #127

Tell it to the whiners posting how people weren't nice to them. bettyellen Dec 2016 #28

Funny you would say that to a CLINTON volunteer for both, who is tired of losing to a PERVERT!!! JoeOtterbein Dec 2016 #32

Did you weeelly? Hekate Dec 2016 #68

This message was self-deleted by its author JoeOtterbein Dec 2016 #33

You can self-delete that post if you didn't mean to put it there. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #36

Thanks Ken, I just wanted others to know I volunteered for both Hil & Bill JoeOtterbein Dec 2016 #38

OK. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #41

WTF? bettyellen Dec 2016 #37

Why is it so important to you to get the TPP off the hook? Ken Burch Dec 2016 #43

Obama was/is oriented toward the Pacific & Asia, which I get, since I come from Hawai'i as well.... Hekate Dec 2016 #73

Thanks for your response...I appreciate your thoughtfulness.but, in negotiating TPP... Ken Burch Dec 2016 #91

Alas, the whiners (on both sides) were right. Jim Lane Dec 2016 #56

I feel you Ken but I think it will be a tit for tat up until the inauguration NWCorona Dec 2016 #31

Y'all this is why we can't have nice things underthematrix Dec 2016 #39

My honest opinion is I have some bad feelings about the primary. hrmjustin Dec 2016 #44

Thank you. That's the best post in this thread so far. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #46

Thank you Ken! hrmjustin Dec 2016 #47

I'm with you justin... but, please, don't count Bernie out. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #85

Thanks, hmrjustin. What you said. Hekate Dec 2016 #155

I'd rather not, JHan Dec 2016 #53

Well said and thank you. emulatorloo Dec 2016 #79

Well, first of all, let's all agree on someone next time mvd Dec 2016 #55

Fair enough. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #76

Why the ageism? Bernie is young at heart and appeals to millennials... InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #87

I do not mean it to be. But Bernie would be older than usual and perhaps.. mvd Dec 2016 #89

Fair point... and I would certainly be willing to listen to what other candidates have to say, but not just because they are less older than Bernie. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #90

Agree. My ideal would be someone just as progressive mvd Dec 2016 #93

All good points mvd... we should all be willing to listen to others' views on our side of the aisle. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #94

Thanks. Hope you have a good holiday season mvd Dec 2016 #95

Thanks... same! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #96

Well, you gave it a shot. Javaman Dec 2016 #58

You are expected to admit the error of your ways. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #59

Ha! You got that right. JudyM Dec 2016 #104

Adopt Bernie's Platform Or Perish TaterBake Dec 2016 #60

Holy shit, I thought this threat was sarcastic. LOL. bettyellen Dec 2016 #64

I'm not sure if that post is real. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #75

Welcome to DU, TaterBake! JudyM Dec 2016 #105

Thx TaterBake Dec 2016 #107

You last sentence says it all. You don't get regular people to vote for you by giving $100k speeches jack_krass Dec 2016 #112

Clinton won voters making under 50k/30k and voters concerned about the economy emulatorloo Dec 2016 #132

"Clinton won voters making under 50k/30k" jack_krass Dec 2016 #137

Point to actual polling data that the speeches influenced working class voters. emulatorloo Dec 2016 #151

We're out of time for incrementalism. Orsino Dec 2016 #116

Admirable. But it seems a lot of folks think "unite" should mean... Beartracks Dec 2016 #70

Face the danger. WheelWalker Dec 2016 #84

...Meaning what, exactly?... Ken Burch Dec 2016 #139

"United We Stand; Divided We Fall." Some Bernie supporters insist that we remain divided. baldguy Dec 2016 #99

We temporarily suspended that rule after the election. Skinner Dec 2016 #103

Thanks for reminding people of that. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #119

Bernie got his ass handed to him. NCTraveler Dec 2016 #106

But he didn't lose the general election to Trump like Hillary did mtnsnake Dec 2016 #113

KIck and rec Arazi Dec 2016 #108

Sanders ran a campaign that had no chance of winning in order to hurt the party Gothmog Dec 2016 #109

Sander didn't run to hurt anyone. He ran to win, period. mtnsnake Dec 2016 #115

That claim is simply false -Sanders had no chance of being the nominee Gothmog Dec 2016 #129

Bernie was saying the economic system was rigged, and that corporations control our politics. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #121

Tell that to Trump and the voters who listened to Trump Gothmog Dec 2016 #122

Those delegates were speaking out of frustration, at the end of a very long process. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #123

Were you there? Gothmog Dec 2016 #126

I know people who were there. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #131

That is really funny Gothmog Dec 2016 #135

Stop being insulting. You are not entitled to talk down to me or to anyone else. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #138

I am entitled to use facts and to disagree when your so-called facts do not hold up Gothmog Dec 2016 #140

thank you for posting your firsthand experience zappaman Dec 2016 #145

I was also amused Gothmog Dec 2016 #148

He told the truth about our political establishment azmom Dec 2016 #134

I have met and like Keith Ellison but I do not support his bid for DNC chair Gothmog Dec 2016 #110

That has nothing to do with the topic of this thread. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #118

Sanders ran a campaign that had no chance of winning in order to hurt the party Gothmog Dec 2016 #125

On the other hand we can't back a person simply BECAUSE he was a Sanders supporter, and... George II Dec 2016 #133

"Wall Shtreet"? So now it's speech impediment jokes? Ken Burch Dec 2016 #141

You should look into the details of the donors, not just the "big numbers". Plus.... George II Dec 2016 #144

I gladly campaigned for Hillary throughout the fall. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #146

Hardly addresses the point, but not unexpected. George II Dec 2016 #154

You accused me of not wanting Hillary to be elected. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #157

Well we know the blue wall would have held with Bernie. Joe941 Dec 2016 #114

as well as it held for feingold? La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #124

Or McGinty in Penn/ Gothmog Dec 2016 #130

or teachout in ny state. La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #147

There was no one to Feingold's right who'd have done better. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #143

how are continuous posts about how bernie would have won, also not re fighting the primaries? La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #120

How is your OP not refighting the primaries? nt pnwmom Dec 2016 #136

Because I'm not arguing that Bernie should have been nominated. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #142

Give me an honest estimate of how many DU'ers are saying that. emulatorloo Dec 2016 #153

I'm not an apologist for Jeff Weaver, and agree entirely with your critique of the man. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #156