2016 Postmortem

JHan

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54. But why all the denial that some are?

Tue Dec 20, 2016, 05:24 PM

Dec 2016

One can be respectful without going so far as to make a claim that "Most aren't bigots" and also not outright claiming someone is racist or sexist - who knows the actual number? All I know is that millions voted for a man who preached divisiveness. Denying this , and not examining the reasons why they're okay voting for a platform that throws people who don't look like them under the bus gaslights those who suffered the effects of Trump's rhetoric all year.

All he needed to address was Trump's own words but I suspect his approach here was a subtle follow up on his critique of "identity politics".

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Someone sent me the video of Bernie's hour-long town hall in Wisconsin [View all] Garrett78 Dec 2016 OP

Thank you, Garrett Cha Dec 2016 #1

Well said Garrett. As to your first point, anyone who voted for Trump was well aware of his racist, still_one Dec 2016 #2

As opposed to uour misguided, self serving lecture? dionysus Dec 2016 #3

You are correct about that. However, one way or the other mtnsnake Dec 2016 #48

You sir, have a heart of glass. dionysus Dec 2016 #68

Please keep in mind he went to Wisconsin to talk to Trump supporters. This was outreach. think Dec 2016 #4

Since when is misrepresenting the facts considered "outreach"? SunSeeker Dec 2016 #8

Yes. Thanks. tecelote Dec 2016 #19

Lol metroins Dec 2016 #26

Tecelote these people are bent on losing again realmirage Dec 2016 #42

The GOP was running itself into thw grpund like this. Thank god we jumped in and adopted the tactic. dionysus Dec 2016 #69

yes!! Locrian Dec 2016 #79

Why not first do "outreach ' to disenfranchised minorities? EffieBlack Dec 2016 #81

He shouldn't have done it in the first place. kcr Dec 2016 #30

Sanders will be doing a lot of this for the Democrats as outreach director. When should he start? think Dec 2016 #35

For starters I would recommend they not waste time on Trump supporters kcr Dec 2016 #37

So don't try to get back those Obama voters who flipped red? realmirage Dec 2016 #43

You nailed it! Bernie knows EXACTLY what he's doing... showing us the way out of this horrendous mess! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #76

Thank you for laying out the facts. nt SunSeeker Dec 2016 #5

These same people put Obama in office. George Eliot Dec 2016 #6

The unemployment rate has changed a lot, and changed for the better. And 20 million people have StevieM Dec 2016 #7

no, most of them didn't vote for obama. there are probably equal number that voted mccain and romney JI7 Dec 2016 #18

No, they did not. That is one of the worst... NCTraveler Dec 2016 #22

Bullshit. kcr Dec 2016 #31

The main fault here is not Obama's. It's the information-pushers on our side. calimary Dec 2016 #44

Righteous rant! dionysus Dec 2016 #70

I can't understand the people denying the racism and other hate trump spewed montana_hazeleyes Dec 2016 #9

What the heck was Schumer thinking anyway. ucrdem Dec 2016 #10

Really. they should take a listen. Cha Dec 2016 #11

aloha Cha! ucrdem Dec 2016 #12

Really! I didn't know that.. very good to hear! i know we had 70% Cha Dec 2016 #13

It's an awesome H! I'll put it up again when she takes office ucrdem Dec 2016 #14

Yeah.. it figures.. Cha Dec 2016 #15

Yep. It couldn't last I guess. ucrdem Dec 2016 #33

+1000. n/t pnwmom Dec 2016 #16

K&R Jamaal510 Dec 2016 #17

Instead of holding their hands and telling them fairy tales, Bernie oasis Dec 2016 #20

He did that... TCJ70 Dec 2016 #28

thanks for pointing that out, people on these boards love to just assume shit all the time. nt JCanete Dec 2016 #75

It's the blatant falsehoods that get me... TCJ70 Dec 2016 #80

K&R betsuni Dec 2016 #21

I agree, but it's weird how this wasn't so noticeable in the primary about Bernie Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #23

I agree it's so bizarre people denying blatant in your face racism! Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #24

I think he's trying to reach out to a certain segment. Baitball Blogger Dec 2016 #25

I had a similar reaction to Sanders town hall Gothmog Dec 2016 #27

I watched 45 minutes of it before I couldn't take the Trump voters anymore... TCJ70 Dec 2016 #29

Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #40

Trump's going to be President in a month. jalan48 Dec 2016 #32

Well I'm glad he's going outside of your comfort zone. yodermon Dec 2016 #34

Well said! ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #36

Very well said. To be honest from what (little) I saw it was one dismissal of Democrats.... George II Dec 2016 #38

K&R NastyRiffraff Dec 2016 #39

Anyone who thinks Trump won because of racism or sexism needs to step outside their bubble NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #41

So in your rural area ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #45

Where I grew up I knew none NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #63

Wow. You lived in a bigot-free rural paradise and found anti-white racism when you came to the city? Maru Kitteh Dec 2016 #72

Your racial denialism shtick is getting old taught_me_patience Dec 2016 #46

Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #64

We get it taught_me_patience Dec 2016 #66

Stop putting words into my mouth NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #67

And both Obama and Bill Clinton are... men question everything Dec 2016 #73

The 'DEMOCRAT' Party? Curious. How many days a week do you listen to right-wing talk radio? Maru Kitteh Dec 2016 #49

Um...Curious, how often do you accuse people who disagree with you of being right wingers? NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #65

1. Nice dodge. Your assertion that only a "small percentage" of Trumpkins are bigiots is factually Maru Kitteh Dec 2016 #74

Garrett this is an excellent post. I too was offended when SBS picked up the RW "politicaly correct" Maru Kitteh Dec 2016 #47

Yes because yelling at a person that they're racist and sexist is going to make them want to listen. PatsFan87 Dec 2016 #50

I would never yell at them... JHan Dec 2016 #51

And when you call them racist or sexist, do you think they will continue listening to you? PatsFan87 Dec 2016 #52

But why all the denial that some are? JHan Dec 2016 #54

Numerous surveys make it clear that a majority of Trump supporters are, in fact, bigoted. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #56

Exactly, why all the preciousness? It's plainly evident. JHan Dec 2016 #57

I'm not saying people should deny it. But if my job is that of the "persuader", PatsFan87 Dec 2016 #59

I wouldn't lead with it either.. JHan Dec 2016 #60

We generally agree. PatsFan87 Dec 2016 #61

Clinton won among the working class. She won among those for whom the economy is #1. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #62

okay, but people don't vote for somebody and ALL they represent. That Trump's racism wasn't JCanete Dec 2016 #86

That comparision doesn't really fly though.. JHan Dec 2016 #87

"You can be uncompromising about the truth while being polite and respectful." Garrett78 Dec 2016 #55

Sure, but you have to choose how to engage. You have to start on a level that doesn't shut people JCanete Dec 2016 #78

I can't engage with them if they won't acknowledge what they voted for... JHan Dec 2016 #83

I understand not being able to do that. Are you saying that nobody should? nt JCanete Dec 2016 #84

I will not take seriously anybody who wants to keep up such pretenses.. JHan Dec 2016 #85

Democrats should not waste their time and energy to people who will not vote... asuhornets Dec 2016 #53

You mean like yelling at Clinton supporters about our candidate being a tool EffieBlack Dec 2016 #82

word. nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #58

KICK Cha Dec 2016 #71

Sanders is speaking to people who aren't going to respond to those things that you want him to say. JCanete Dec 2016 #77