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BainsBane

(53,032 posts)
22. I understand there are all kinds of obstacles to running
Tue Dec 13, 2016, 04:21 PM
Dec 2016

but it's not necessarily the party apparatus. For many local races, the key contest is within Democrats or Republicans. For example, in a state senate district near me, Ilhan Omar won the primary against a very long-serving Democratic State House member. While the national media didn't pay attention until the GE, it was that primary that determined her election.

Many other local offices are unaffiliated: School board, water commission, etc... Party has nothing to do with those races. While Trump's first foray into politics was the presidency, most people start at the local level.

Part of what bugs me is that people imagine that compelling DUers to adopt their assessment of the election or their particular messaging is that it is based on the absurdity that doing so actually matters. This is a website, not the Democratic Party. As much as some are determined to get, for example, Clinton supporters to pronounce their own primary candidate superior, it is absolutely irrelevant to anything. "We" are not the party. "The Party" doesn't look to DU to decide what to run on. Moreover, if the party is to be competitive nationally it cannot be the monolith that the demands for agreement on messaging seek to enforce. Politicians need to be able to respond to the concerns of their local constituents. What that means in my city of Minneapolis is quite different from a community in rural Texas or Georgia, for example. I have seen Democrats in such districts maligned and, in the case of Mary Landrieu, their loss celebrated. That celebration, as should have been obvious to anyone with the slightest understanding of politics, was really for the GOP picking up a Senate seat and increasing their overall control over government. But the fact is some will always see the Democratic Party as the enemy. One quite wealthy former DUer celebrated Landrieu's defeat and swore he would never vote for Clinton. He preferred Republicans gain control, and he got his wish.

So it's not that I think the current Democratic Party is ideal. Rather, I don't see it as the enemy. For those who reap advantages under GOP rule, they can afford to look down on Democrats that don't meet their standards. Then they can sit back while their taxes go down and enjoy seeing the women, or others, they so resent have their rights stripped away. I have seen people justify any number of right-wing positions under the guise of progressivism.

The election defeat hasn't changed anyone's views. It's simply served as an opportunity to advance their preexisting agenda. That is why we see the ones who insist the party isn't "progressive" enough for them refuse to engage with questions about exit poll data or the defeat of politicians they do approve of (Feingold and Teachout, for example). Part of what is so frustrating is that the proclamation of being sufficiently "progressive" appears to have no ideological consistency and relates more to the long-decided primary fight than any set of policies. It is far too much about the politics of personality. The admiration of Tulsi Gabbard is a key example. Some don't even want to know her position on issues. That she picked the right guy in the primary is all they care about. I find that very difficult to respect.

"We" decide what we want through our votes. And as much as people here resent the fact that others exercise their right to vote in ways that differ from their own, they can damn well deal with it. They get one vote, just like everyone else, regardless of how superior they may feel.





I think people should read the party platform and formulate their message. NCTraveler Dec 2016 #1
A number of people seem to confuse positions or message BainsBane Dec 2016 #2
Message is derived from positions. NCTraveler Dec 2016 #3
Unfortunately for many BainsBane Dec 2016 #6
Amen. nt brer cat Dec 2016 #39
Obviously we need as many good candidates as possible Uponthegears Dec 2016 #4
Hillary Clinton won voters earning under $50k BainsBane Dec 2016 #5
What utter tripe Uponthegears Dec 2016 #8
I didn't mention Sanders or his supporters BainsBane Dec 2016 #13
And yet, we could not agree more on some things Uponthegears Dec 2016 #31
please make this it's own op DonCoquixote Dec 2016 #28
+1000 PotatoChip Dec 2016 #51
"Clearly you don't sit down with those you disagree with." Are you referencing the poster? Eleanors38 Dec 2016 #9
Yes, I was BainsBane Dec 2016 #14
On a more concilatory note Uponthegears Dec 2016 #11
BB. +10000 Hekate Dec 2016 #12
Same here Gothmog Dec 2016 #33
Unfortunately some want to control the Democratic Party message from the outside. George II Dec 2016 #7
That is not an accurate gauge of whether a message can resonate with people. Just running and tyring JCanete Dec 2016 #10
But that's the thing, isn't it? bravenak Dec 2016 #17
Winning with our current party is fan-fiction that our leaders keep regurgitating and fawning over. JCanete Dec 2016 #23
I disagree with your analysis Gothmog Dec 2016 #18
How can you disagree with my analysis and then say if your campaign resonates, donors will JCanete Dec 2016 #21
Have you worked on a campaign? Gothmog Dec 2016 #32
who are those key groups? Who are the people usually engaged at this level? JCanete Dec 2016 #35
Again, you are not answering my question Gothmog Dec 2016 #37
So, the premise I was responding to was basically "if your ideas are so hot prove it JCanete Dec 2016 #40
Again, go work with a county party or on a real campaign Gothmog Dec 2016 #42
sad and wrong... your words are the things I was saying were reinforcing my argument. Not that I JCanete Dec 2016 #46
In the real world the concern is electability and being competitive Gothmog Dec 2016 #53
now you're basically saying that in the "real world" donors don't give a shit about policy, just JCanete Dec 2016 #55
I understand there are all kinds of obstacles to running BainsBane Dec 2016 #22
Where I agree with you is that refighting the primary is pointless, and that energy spent JCanete Dec 2016 #27
my problem with your analsysis BainsBane Dec 2016 #38
That recurring theme about rhetoric versus policy--excuse me for being cute--is rhetoric. JCanete Dec 2016 #41
You do know that Sanders outspent Clinton in most primaries? Gothmog Dec 2016 #43
but that is nothing compared to the megaphone that went out over the corporate media from JCanete Dec 2016 #47
Again, you are wrong Gothmog Dec 2016 #52
okay, I see, you're not responding to what I'm posting, just to a preconceived notion you already JCanete Dec 2016 #54
Rhetoric is meaningless BainsBane Dec 2016 #45
Except that I didn't say populist rhetoric was good just cuz it feels good to hear it. JCanete Dec 2016 #48
You relied on his claim BainsBane Dec 2016 #49
Well that's not exactly fair. He's a Presidential Candidate. He could have said "this is the only JCanete Dec 2016 #50
DU does not reflect the Democratic Party or the real world Gothmog Dec 2016 #15
Interesting ticket split in your county BainsBane Dec 2016 #16
Yep Gothmog Dec 2016 #19
Another way is for everyone to call their Democratic congressmen, lots of them, and OFTEN mtnsnake Dec 2016 #20
Would you actually call based on rhetoric you want them to use? BainsBane Dec 2016 #24
Do you honestly think that tons of people here are going to follow your advice mtnsnake Dec 2016 #30
No, but you're advocating calling representatives BainsBane Dec 2016 #34
I would encourage those that aren't the type to run to still get involved and proactively seek good think Dec 2016 #25
I agree local politics are key BainsBane Dec 2016 #26
A grad student I talked with today told me my generation was at fault. redstatebluegirl Dec 2016 #29
Great idea, BB. Too bad Zephyr Teachout's message didn't Cha Dec 2016 #36
And the Sanders supported candidate running against DWS also lost Gothmog Dec 2016 #44
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