2016 Postmortem

triron

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6. OK if you are in such disbelief, read this (brief)

Reply to MichMary (Reply #5)

Tue Dec 13, 2016, 02:02 PM

Dec 2016

https://www.democracynow.org/2016/11/30/cybersecurity_expert_bruce_schneier_american_elections

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Oh, the ones who count the votes are unassailable. Only 85k votes in six states [View all] LaydeeBug Dec 2016 OP

This should be the narrative Jean-Jacques Roussea Dec 2016 #1

because it's the truth. nt LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #2

Actually, it is off by quite a bit. Coyotl Dec 2016 #39

your last sentence is so SPOT ON, it's haunting. nt LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #46

How could the vote be hacked MichMary Dec 2016 #3

Central tabulators are. triron Dec 2016 #4

But-- MichMary Dec 2016 #5

OK if you are in such disbelief, read this (brief) triron Dec 2016 #6

No. They did not do hand recounts, they merely used optical scanners. You wouldn't need an "army" synergie Dec 2016 #33

Because there are apparently a lot of people who just can't believe dionysus Dec 2016 #41

If people spend all their time, energy, and money .... Yurovsky Dec 2016 #42

Thats the attitude i like! This "it's the end of the world our lives are ruined1!!1eleventy!" dionysus Dec 2016 #44

Please don't ask awkward questions like that mythology Dec 2016 #7

Also this triron Dec 2016 #8

And this triron Dec 2016 #9

Thank you for these links. bookmarked. nt LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #11

And this triron Dec 2016 #10

do a few searches on the subject, and you will see. it is totally possible, in multiple ways, and TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #20

The disks and cards that they are loaded with could be hacked. synergie Dec 2016 #32

there... are... four... lights 0rganism Dec 2016 #12

The polls were MORE WRONG in 2012. Were you complaining then? BzaDem Dec 2016 #13

You are referring only to national polls triron Dec 2016 #14

Same thing with swing state polls. BzaDem Dec 2016 #15

All off in the same direction (or at least almost all)? triron Dec 2016 #16

Polls are often wrong in the same direction. State polls underestimated Obama by 2.5% on average. BzaDem Dec 2016 #25

I was referring triron Dec 2016 #26

Exit polls had Gore winning Alabama and Georgia, and Bill winning Indiana and Texas. BzaDem Dec 2016 #27

You have a link or reference to this data? triron Dec 2016 #28

btw Richard Charnin triron Dec 2016 #30

Here is a link triron Dec 2016 #29

States the exits said Gore won that he lost: AL AR AZ CO FL GA MO NC NV TN TX VA BzaDem Dec 2016 #31

I will grant that some exit polls may be wrong triron Dec 2016 #37

The statistical argument doesn't work without a perfect random sample. BzaDem Dec 2016 #45

They've been doing this incrementally for years now. Brownback in Kansas, even McTurtle LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #36

all the statistical models this year were WAY off Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #17

That is a story pushed by MSM as well. triron Dec 2016 #18

um, because it's TRUE Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #19

um, no it's not LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #21

you're *joking*, right? LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #22

Are you saying that the polls were less wrong in 2012 than in 2016? BzaDem Dec 2016 #24

No. I am saying the election was rigged this time...why conflate two cycles? LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #38

I think you're missing the point SickOfTheOnePct Dec 2016 #47

Oh it's entirely possible LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #48

LOL SickOfTheOnePct Dec 2016 #49

Funny how that goes. nt LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #50

knr again triron Dec 2016 #23

Wow, looks like I might be psychic. nt LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #34

see post 47 in http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512622637 triron Dec 2016 #35

As for optical scanners and tabulators, wikipedia has this: triron Dec 2016 #40

triron, you are an inspiration on this...THANK YOU!!!!! nt LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #43