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BainsBane

(53,032 posts)
5. Hillary Clinton won voters earning under $50k
Tue Dec 13, 2016, 01:50 PM
Dec 2016

And had her widest margin with voters earning under $30k. Trump won incomes over $75 k. And as much as you might like to pretend the Klan, neo-Nazis and White Supremacists in the White House aren't racist, don't matter, or can be explained away by your obsession with Bill Clinton, the evidence doesn't support your claims.

Tell me how exactly I control the party? Really, I would like to know how I amassed such massive power? My income doesn't rise to the level of the average Trump voter, though it would be nice if it did. I don't live in the suburbs or exurbs. It is true that I am a woman and survivor of sexual assault who believes that rape is wrong and that a sexual assailant doesn't belong in the White House. I don't make excuses for hate crimes and the Klan, and if that makes me your enemy, I am proud to assume that mantle. I am simply one of the inferior people that your Trump voting heroes demanded have my rights stripped away so they could make America Great again.

You had an opportunity in the GE to work toward overturning those Supreme Court decisions turning elections over to big money, but you decided the scourge of white supremacists being called racist was a more serious problem. You now have a fascist about to enter the White House, and several times a day one of those non-racist Trump voters attacks or beats a woman of color in Trump's name.

My post was not about your obsession with the 90s or outrage that a Hillary Clinton won the nomination by 3.8 million votes. Its purpose was exactly as I said. If people believe they have the answers, they should run on that message. This site does not determine the future of the party or anything else.

I'm sorry you so resent voters like me and that you see the marginalized as part of a cabal against the oppressed, middle and upper-middle class white men that decided this election. All you despised was defeated. The Clintons are finished. The nefarious civil rights-concerned Democrats have been soundly defeated. America is great again. You really have no reason to be angry at me, other than you can't accept the fact I have the right to exercise a vote, because one vote is the extent of my power.

Clearly you don't sit down with those you disagree with. You can't even read a post without unleashing venom, projecting all kinds of views onto strangers who you don't respect enough to even ask how they see the issues you ascribe to them. You do not now and will never have any idea what I believe because you view the entire world through your prism of resentment. I can't do anything about your animosity toward Democratic voters. All I can do is continue to exercise my right to vote as long as I still have it, and it is precisely that which so enrages you.

I think people should read the party platform and formulate their message. NCTraveler Dec 2016 #1
A number of people seem to confuse positions or message BainsBane Dec 2016 #2
Message is derived from positions. NCTraveler Dec 2016 #3
Unfortunately for many BainsBane Dec 2016 #6
Amen. nt brer cat Dec 2016 #39
Obviously we need as many good candidates as possible Uponthegears Dec 2016 #4
Hillary Clinton won voters earning under $50k BainsBane Dec 2016 #5
What utter tripe Uponthegears Dec 2016 #8
I didn't mention Sanders or his supporters BainsBane Dec 2016 #13
And yet, we could not agree more on some things Uponthegears Dec 2016 #31
please make this it's own op DonCoquixote Dec 2016 #28
+1000 PotatoChip Dec 2016 #51
"Clearly you don't sit down with those you disagree with." Are you referencing the poster? Eleanors38 Dec 2016 #9
Yes, I was BainsBane Dec 2016 #14
On a more concilatory note Uponthegears Dec 2016 #11
BB. +10000 Hekate Dec 2016 #12
Same here Gothmog Dec 2016 #33
Unfortunately some want to control the Democratic Party message from the outside. George II Dec 2016 #7
That is not an accurate gauge of whether a message can resonate with people. Just running and tyring JCanete Dec 2016 #10
But that's the thing, isn't it? bravenak Dec 2016 #17
Winning with our current party is fan-fiction that our leaders keep regurgitating and fawning over. JCanete Dec 2016 #23
I disagree with your analysis Gothmog Dec 2016 #18
How can you disagree with my analysis and then say if your campaign resonates, donors will JCanete Dec 2016 #21
Have you worked on a campaign? Gothmog Dec 2016 #32
who are those key groups? Who are the people usually engaged at this level? JCanete Dec 2016 #35
Again, you are not answering my question Gothmog Dec 2016 #37
So, the premise I was responding to was basically "if your ideas are so hot prove it JCanete Dec 2016 #40
Again, go work with a county party or on a real campaign Gothmog Dec 2016 #42
sad and wrong... your words are the things I was saying were reinforcing my argument. Not that I JCanete Dec 2016 #46
In the real world the concern is electability and being competitive Gothmog Dec 2016 #53
now you're basically saying that in the "real world" donors don't give a shit about policy, just JCanete Dec 2016 #55
I understand there are all kinds of obstacles to running BainsBane Dec 2016 #22
Where I agree with you is that refighting the primary is pointless, and that energy spent JCanete Dec 2016 #27
my problem with your analsysis BainsBane Dec 2016 #38
That recurring theme about rhetoric versus policy--excuse me for being cute--is rhetoric. JCanete Dec 2016 #41
You do know that Sanders outspent Clinton in most primaries? Gothmog Dec 2016 #43
but that is nothing compared to the megaphone that went out over the corporate media from JCanete Dec 2016 #47
Again, you are wrong Gothmog Dec 2016 #52
okay, I see, you're not responding to what I'm posting, just to a preconceived notion you already JCanete Dec 2016 #54
Rhetoric is meaningless BainsBane Dec 2016 #45
Except that I didn't say populist rhetoric was good just cuz it feels good to hear it. JCanete Dec 2016 #48
You relied on his claim BainsBane Dec 2016 #49
Well that's not exactly fair. He's a Presidential Candidate. He could have said "this is the only JCanete Dec 2016 #50
DU does not reflect the Democratic Party or the real world Gothmog Dec 2016 #15
Interesting ticket split in your county BainsBane Dec 2016 #16
Yep Gothmog Dec 2016 #19
Another way is for everyone to call their Democratic congressmen, lots of them, and OFTEN mtnsnake Dec 2016 #20
Would you actually call based on rhetoric you want them to use? BainsBane Dec 2016 #24
Do you honestly think that tons of people here are going to follow your advice mtnsnake Dec 2016 #30
No, but you're advocating calling representatives BainsBane Dec 2016 #34
I would encourage those that aren't the type to run to still get involved and proactively seek good think Dec 2016 #25
I agree local politics are key BainsBane Dec 2016 #26
A grad student I talked with today told me my generation was at fault. redstatebluegirl Dec 2016 #29
Great idea, BB. Too bad Zephyr Teachout's message didn't Cha Dec 2016 #36
And the Sanders supported candidate running against DWS also lost Gothmog Dec 2016 #44
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