2016 Postmortem

DeminPennswoods

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71. She did for sure

Wed Nov 30, 2016, 06:10 PM

Nov 2016

Personally, I think Hillary is a lot more liberal/progressive than people realize. It's not an act, but more of an evolution over time and experience. I don't think it was particularly hard for her to include some of Sanders' positions in the Dem platform and wholeheartedly support them. He should have happily embraced progress on ideas he's championed for many years, but I guess he's like a lot of crusaders where the good is the enemy of the perfect. Nader and Naderites of 2000 were the same way.

I don't have a problem with him honestly answering a question. I do think the GOP would have played the socialist/big govt card hot and heavy on him. I'm not sure how well Bernie would've handled that line of attack. I think the election might have been interesting, though, since both Bernie and Trump are kind of blunt, scorched earth orators and they appealed to the same kind of economically frightened voters.

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Bernie Sanders wistful about a missed matchup against Trump: 'I wish to God I'd had the opportunity' [View all] FarCenter Nov 2016 OP

Trump didn't get a landslide NastyRiffraff Nov 2016 #1

A landslide for Bernie but we will never know now. NWCorona Nov 2016 #5

No way. NastyRiffraff Nov 2016 #6

We had an oppo file on Trump that should have sunk him. Ace Rothstein Nov 2016 #7

Sanders is an issues guy enterthetoad Dec 2016 #142

So you say. JudyM Nov 2016 #12

Like I said, we will never know now. NWCorona Nov 2016 #25

Wait, Trump can brag about grabbing p***y without penalty, but some "file" on Bernie was yodermon Nov 2016 #50

Apparently Trump sails in a stouter boat than Bernie CajunBlazer Nov 2016 #67

Riiiight. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #130

BS couldn't even win the Primary against Hillary.. We had the Best MOst qualified Cha Dec 2016 #112

Boom.... sheshe2 Dec 2016 #114

.. Cha Dec 2016 #116

I know. sheshe2 Dec 2016 #117

Ewww.. his little filthy hand.. Cha Dec 2016 #118

Love him. sheshe2 Dec 2016 #119

Me too. greatauntoftriplets Dec 2016 #152

She beat him badly GummyBearz Dec 2016 #122

BS couldn't even Win the Primary.. His message didn't resonate enough with the Cha Dec 2016 #128

He had his chance metroins Nov 2016 #2

That's a false trope being perpetuated by some of her supporters. Check his schedule. JudyM Nov 2016 #13

I agree, Sanders campaigned hard for her. Now Sanders supporters, that's a different story. Hoyt Nov 2016 #29

Hey. Sanders was screwed by the primary process, let's not go there. The vast majority of us voted JudyM Nov 2016 #63

Maybe they did vote, but they called her a crook and everything else Trump used against her. Hoyt Nov 2016 #69

Same thing happens in every primary in every election on 'both' sides. pangaia Nov 2016 #78

So, doesn't make it right and I think it hurt us. Sanders' supporters who continued criticizing Hoyt Nov 2016 #79

It hurt our Democratic chances a lot.. "establishment" was drilled Cha Dec 2016 #120

I'm giving monies to these recount efforts Plucketeer Dec 2016 #124

AFTER he spent a year calling her a corrupt establishment shill . . . EffieBlack Dec 2016 #97

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it .. GummyBearz Dec 2016 #123

It was a dishonest characterization and unfair.. JHan Dec 2016 #126

This message was self-deleted by its author JudyM Dec 2016 #136

Period EffieBlack Dec 2016 #143

Or nice going, Hillary. It's the substance of her actions that were of importance, after all. JudyM Dec 2016 #154

Bernie's problem Plucketeer Dec 2016 #127

Lol! That *was* his problem. JudyM Dec 2016 #138

He worked damned hard for Clinton mythology Nov 2016 #90

Worked his ass off for Hillary... with little appreciation as you can see here. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #132

He had a book to promote instead, i.e. cashing in the same way he criticizes others for. BobbyDrake Dec 2016 #102

;) sheshe2 Dec 2016 #115

Um, wrong. He doesn't criticize anyone for making money. He criticizes corruption. JudyM Dec 2016 #139

"He criticizes corruption without evidence." There, I fixed that for you. BobbyDrake Dec 2016 #150

You can't see what you choose not to look at. JudyM Dec 2016 #155

Link to all the evidence then, please. I'll wait. BobbyDrake Dec 2016 #156

Apparently you haven't been reading this board through the past year, you have some catching JudyM Dec 2016 #157

"Clearly not worth the time to re-present it" means you have nothing. As expected. BobbyDrake Dec 2016 #158

Just not worth the time, plenty there if you open your eyes. Moving on now... JudyM Dec 2016 #159

There was too much damage from the primary.. I know lots Cha Dec 2016 #113

Bernie did what he could considering the candidate. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #131

He could have been a contender . . . ucrdem Nov 2016 #3

Is that violin for the American people who now have to face 4 years of Trump? Kentonio Nov 2016 #17

Here's the interview. Another great one NWCorona Nov 2016 #4

We have no idea what would have happened. hrmjustin Nov 2016 #8

I totally agree with that. Nothing is for certain. NWCorona Nov 2016 #26

What's the point Txbluedog Nov 2016 #9

Ohh he will, count on it! Count on Bernie! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #133

Is Bernie always about Bernie? DeminPennswoods Nov 2016 #10

Yep. n/t seaglass Nov 2016 #15

Clinton did not 'bend over backwards to embrace him' Kentonio Nov 2016 #18

So Sanders is blameless and pure as the driven snow? JHan Nov 2016 #30

Ah that 'debating' technique.. Kentonio Nov 2016 #54

lol JHan Nov 2016 #57

She did for sure DeminPennswoods Nov 2016 #71

Reluctantly so... which helps further splain Hillary's loss. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #134

Half the party? Surely you jest. Check the primary numbers. justhanginon Dec 2016 #151

1000 lunamagica Nov 2016 #39

Yes leftofcool Nov 2016 #41

Thank you! The only way he will ever be believable is when he admits he R B Garr Nov 2016 #48

The way Hillary stayed too long in the 2008 primary? InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #135

I didnt see that at all Lotusflower70 Nov 2016 #81

When the debate moderator asked him about her emails... GummyBearz Dec 2016 #125

Bernie went very easy on Hillary IMHO... coulda woulda shoulda done things differently. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #137

Yes La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #149

Ahhh......poor baby CajunBlazer Nov 2016 #11

I don't think he's crying at all. He was asked a question and answered it. NWCorona Nov 2016 #32

Sure he crying... CajunBlazer Nov 2016 #44

Bernie if he is a progressive...like the rest of us now has no hand Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #62

Astonishing? It's obvious that you are still sour. NWCorona Dec 2016 #110

sour? Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #144

Well I think the party needed some criticism but I can understand the frustration NWCorona Dec 2016 #147

Yeah, not sure exactly what that strawman shit is about -"poor baby." Should he have said, JCanete Nov 2016 #74

He would have been fucking demolished. Maven Nov 2016 #14

Polls all showed Bernie doing better against Trump than Hillary. Calculating Nov 2016 #16

Yeah! Polls! LOL! Madam45for2923 Nov 2016 #28

Polls also showed Hillary beating Sanders in the rust belt by huge amounts Quixote1818 Dec 2016 #103

Are you talking polls before or after vetting Bernie? Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #108

Polls taken while the Republicans were trying to get him nominated? CajunBlazer Nov 2016 #46

Your assumption is far less certain than those polls. JudyM Nov 2016 #70

Cowardly polls, who won't show the effects of voter suppression uponit7771 Dec 2016 #95

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No, if you haven't noticed he was and still is and independent. CajunBlazer Nov 2016 #47

Why this repeated lie about him not getting much done as a senator? Kentonio Nov 2016 #55

Maybe it's articles like this one from the Washington Post... CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #98

If you hadn't noticed, most Washington "Democrats" aren't Democrats anymore. Barack_America Nov 2016 #80

I think he upholds Socialist Party ideal even better (n/t) CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #99

Sanders has made it clear that he is no longer a democrat, lapucelle Nov 2016 #53

He said he was elected as an independent and would serve as one. I don't have any problem with that. Kentonio Nov 2016 #56

He is not a Democrat by choice. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #59

You haven't looked very hard then. Kentonio Nov 2016 #65

He went back to being an independent. He switched to run for president only. Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #92

I agree alarimer Nov 2016 #68

Truth liquid diamond Nov 2016 #24

Assumes facts not in evidence. NWCorona Nov 2016 #33

That never seems to matter with this vacuous argument. Based on nothing but oft asserted. JudyM Dec 2016 #140

I didn't see any in the Democratic party kacekwl Nov 2016 #35

Exactly, he poisoned the minds of many people and R B Garr Dec 2016 #121

he's being honest, and he did concede that a 3 month campaign can change a lot. geek tragedy Nov 2016 #19

Polls will never be held in the same light. And that's fine by me NWCorona Nov 2016 #36

The general election polls were off by about 1 or 2% mythology Nov 2016 #91

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HILLARY'S EMAILS! BENGHAZI! BIG-MONEY SPEAKING FEES! BILL CLINTON'S BLOWJOBS! Paladin Nov 2016 #22

It's not Bernie's fault we didn't win. Cobalt Violet Nov 2016 #34

Yes it is his fault had he not run in the primary...President Clinton. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #60

And why should we all have lined up behind her? JudyM Nov 2016 #64

Yes we she have all lined up behind Clinton and Bernie should not have run in such Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #94

I agree with your feelings about where we are now but as you might guess, hold the view that the JudyM Dec 2016 #100

That is really not true. Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #104

Ok, well you have to blame who you have to blame. JudyM Dec 2016 #105

There are several things that cost Democrats the election this year. Act_of_Reparation Dec 2016 #153

One of the first things Bernie said at the debates robbob Nov 2016 #42

The only one of those that applies to him... TCJ70 Nov 2016 #51

Thank you Senator Sanders & Hillary Clinton. We, the popular vote winners need you more than ever. Sunlei Nov 2016 #23

No way to know, but guess what? hueymahl Nov 2016 #27

I wish he did too! There's always 2020! Cobalt Violet Nov 2016 #31

He'll be almost 80 by then. grossproffit Nov 2016 #40

Oh, spare me! lunamagica Nov 2016 #37

He was never in the line of fire. JaneQPublic Nov 2016 #38

well that was convincing. That as a very Trump-worthy "Trust me, I saw it." Fuck that noise. JCanete Nov 2016 #75

And Bernie's staff hacked into the DNC computer system. JaneQPublic Nov 2016 #82

What "victim" routine. This was about whether Bernie could have won, and whether JCanete Nov 2016 #84

Votes (AA votes in his case) matter more than polls, Bernie. SaschaHM Nov 2016 #43

That Georgia, Mississippi, Alabama Clinton firewall... lumberjack_jeff Nov 2016 #77

Do I really have to tell your racist ass that black voters live in other states? SaschaHM Nov 2016 #85

No, you don't "really need to tell my racist ass" this... lumberjack_jeff Nov 2016 #87

The only person doing that here is you. SaschaHM Nov 2016 #89

+1 uponit7771 Dec 2016 #107

Earth To Bernie Me. Nov 2016 #45

Seriously? FrenchieCat Nov 2016 #49

If hypothetical match-up polls meant something, Dukakis (and others) would have become POTUS. Garrett78 Nov 2016 #52

Trump won a very close election...I guess you have to win Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #58

Stop it frazzled Nov 2016 #61

Ugh, he's such a whiner. Starry Messenger Nov 2016 #66

Bernie would have won - I'm sure of it. Joe941 Nov 2016 #72

And How Reliable Were The Polls? kebob Nov 2016 #73

Should have nominated Sanders shawn703 Nov 2016 #76

What could have been Lotusflower70 Nov 2016 #83

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He'd have been DemonGoddess Nov 2016 #88

Um, no that was Hillary Cobalt Violet Dec 2016 #93

and yet the popular vote DemonGoddess Dec 2016 #101

Oh, please EffieBlack Dec 2016 #96

*looks at url* nope doesn't say ClintonUnderground. JesterCS Dec 2016 #106

ill admit i was wrong about hillary and bernie okieinpain Dec 2016 #109

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You and me both Bernie! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #129

I think either Clinton or Sanders coud have standingtall Dec 2016 #141

I don't think so. kentuck Dec 2016 #145

It is, ultimately, what it is and we all can spew whatever gets... Guilded Lilly Dec 2016 #146

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