2016 Postmortem

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Stop. Letting. Them. Frame. The. Fucking. Narrative. [View all] LaydeeBug Nov 2016 OP

thank you. KewlKat Nov 2016 #1

Likewise, thank you. Show them this chart, 11 states with 2.3 million Trump votes: Coyotl Nov 2016 #50

No...we lost. TCJ70 Nov 2016 #2

Yeah, and some of our votes only count three-fifths as much..ho hum lostnfound Nov 2016 #18

I'm one of those 3/5 voters. OnionPatch Nov 2016 #44

I live in NC Red Mountain Nov 2016 #84

I don't think Trump could have changed our beliefs here in California OnionPatch Nov 2016 #107

"Rights of the majority?" The thing that allowed a large part of the country to enslave the rest? MadDAsHell Nov 2016 #98

Human and civil rights OnionPatch Nov 2016 #106

And don't forget LittleGirl Nov 2016 #47

I AGREE. rladdi Nov 2016 #49

I Agree, rladdi Nov 2016 #51

Confused: Fox News is a shit "news" station, but we're mad more stations don't act the same way?? MadDAsHell Nov 2016 #97

Re your last paragraph FBaggins Nov 2016 #22

Whatever it takes to approach the one man - one vote theory of democracy is what should be done world wide wally Nov 2016 #54

Yea, I Agree liberalmike27 Nov 2016 #30

NO MFM008 Nov 2016 #42

Whether the EC is updated or not thucythucy Nov 2016 #32

You cannot gerrymander the federal election for president because no party can alter state lines. AtheistCrusader Nov 2016 #3

You really believe that? Moostache Nov 2016 #4

Yes, I really believe that. AtheistCrusader Nov 2016 #6

The overlap is the corrupt RW congress has been opening bogus "investigations" on Dems non stop .... bettyellen Nov 2016 #41

That is certainly an issue, but it is not called Gerrymandering(TM) AtheistCrusader Nov 2016 #46

Am saying he gerrymandering helped lead to this - in a direct and large way. bettyellen Nov 2016 #57

I disagree. AtheistCrusader Nov 2016 #70

Gerrymandering certainly has been in a factor in geographic and partisan polarization YoungDemCA Nov 2016 #91

But Senate seats are also state-wide elections. AtheistCrusader Nov 2016 #148

I agree gerrymandering helped the Repukes HelenWheels Nov 2016 #108

"All politics is local" Tip O'Neil nt LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #14

Ummm...yes it does because all politics is local. LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #7

You know that's not gerrymandering, right? AtheistCrusader Nov 2016 #33

Stop thinking of an Elephant. fleabiscuit Nov 2016 #94

That's not gerrymandering. Nt dionysus Jan 2017 #157

but it is suppression. LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #159

Yes, it's dirty trickery, something the pukes love. It may be annoying but i am a dionysus Jan 2017 #160

You can continue to play semantics. They are playing war. LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #161

Sorry, Democrats lost and have been losing. earthside Nov 2016 #5

Aaaah, the new catch phrase du jour: "identity politics" LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #9

People vote with their wallets. Period. B2G Nov 2016 #11

ok, the economy is way better than it was, and the poorest, economically destitute LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #12

Chicago? LA? NYC? Detroit? Outside of celebrities these areas are incredibly poor. MadDAsHell Nov 2016 #99

In their minds they are. KPN Nov 2016 #114

It's the economy, stupid. earthside Nov 2016 #17

Excellent post B2G Nov 2016 #23

Wrong azureblue Nov 2016 #34

Granted this is a washington-stater's perspective but AtheistCrusader Nov 2016 #72

*Sigh* Lokilooney Nov 2016 #89

You nailed down the problem with the "enthusiasm level". Exilednight Nov 2016 #111

We had idiots on here guaranteeing a bloodbath Democratic victory, probably resulting... MadDAsHell Nov 2016 #101

Plus a Gazillion! KPN Nov 2016 #117

So your proposed fix for 4 brutal elections in a row is...nothing? Cause "we was robbed?" MadDAsHell Nov 2016 #100

Then please explain why Republicans keep,winning in Kansas, Mississippi, and so forth world wide wally Nov 2016 #59

Great post earthside. Thank you for speaking up and speaking the truth. KPN Nov 2016 #116

otherwise known for us as "civil rights" robbedvoter Nov 2016 #104

Correct LittleBlue Nov 2016 #134

This is the point 1 quaker bill Nov 2016 #137

This! treestar Nov 2016 #8

Pundits are putting ona SHOW...when RUSSIAN PROPAGANDA is reported as "news" LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #10

the media, the media, the media Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #13

They reported RUSSIAN PROPAGANDA as news. Repeatedly. nt LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #15

yes, really treasonous, IMO Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #20

The worst was continuously calling the Comey letter "a bombshell " unitedwethrive Nov 2016 #16

yes-- their reaction to that made it so much bigger than it was Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #21

Even with all the media bullcrap and Comey interference, Trump still couldn't win. anamandujano Nov 2016 #27

yep! Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #52

This! treestar Nov 2016 #127

AND HILLARY WON (AND CONTINUES TO WIN) THE POPULAR VOTE. niyad Nov 2016 #19

So did Al Gore, and that and five bucks gets you what? AtheistCrusader Nov 2016 #36

this actual FACT runs counter to the "drumpfy has a mandate" nonsense, and needs to be niyad Nov 2016 #38

Realty runs counter to the 'mandate' claims. AtheistCrusader Nov 2016 #45

One of their favorites is to claim Hillary won along the coasts.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #24

Thank you. So many threads I won't even click here because of the titles. anamandujano Nov 2016 #25

It's crazy how the interlopers show themselves. nt LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #76

This exactly. we can do it Nov 2016 #26

Our side could have won the election -- and would have won it if not for Comey, together with voter Akamai Nov 2016 #28

and, of course, misogyny. niyad Nov 2016 #39

Yup! Patriarchal/fundamentalist/etc. misogyny. I could have gone on for a while more, but my far Akamai Nov 2016 #64

The corporate media has aided and allowed the GOP to frame the narrative since the 1980s. guillaumeb Nov 2016 #29

THIS IS TRUE Cosmocat Nov 2016 #35

And civil rights and reproductive freedoms are called "identity politics"-by straight white men.... bettyellen Nov 2016 #55

An excellent addition. Thank you. eom guillaumeb Nov 2016 #56

"Economic progressives" can split off because they are not using us for their own ends. bettyellen Nov 2016 #58

And the framing never stops. guillaumeb Nov 2016 #60

I've seen that label a few times and it appears some are wanting to abandon "SJWs" as they call us.. bettyellen Nov 2016 #62

Please explain "SJWs". Thank you. eom guillaumeb Nov 2016 #63

Social justice warriors - as a pejorative... a lot of libertarian and RWers mock us w it.... bettyellen Nov 2016 #68

Thank you. guillaumeb Nov 2016 #71

Someone here said that we'd all be wealthier and the. Women could fly to other states for abortion bettyellen Nov 2016 #75

I cannot speak for Sanders, guillaumeb Nov 2016 #82

It's actually been a Bernie thing to avoid "the wedge" issues... bettyellen Nov 2016 #83

This is an unproductive post. KPN Nov 2016 #118

I'm suddenly seeing a spate of posts suggesting we should ignore social bettyellen Nov 2016 #132

Not exactly. With due respect, I would say that you are seeing what ... KPN Nov 2016 #140

I'm seeing exactly what I am saying. But thanks for the 'splaining... bettyellen Nov 2016 #147

Anytime. KPN Nov 2016 #149

To add to your list of narrative framing... Medicare and Social Security became Entitlements. n/t Hugin Nov 2016 #105

And entitlements became "free things for undeserving people". eom guillaumeb Nov 2016 #122

By definition, they are entitlements. Entitlements are not bad things. dionysus Jan 2017 #158

spot on. nt LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #136

Kick Hekate Nov 2016 #31

There is Plenty to be Angry About liberalmike27 Nov 2016 #37

Your are correct about everything EXCEPT the point Cosmocat Nov 2016 #40

And how do we actually do that? radical noodle Nov 2016 #77

There are a lot of bucolic_frolic Nov 2016 #43

I absolutely said that about Sanders and the voters he represents mythology Nov 2016 #48

yes, I agree- but how do we stop it??? Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #53

Bullshit. '08 or '12 turnout wouldve given HRC the victory. 7962 Nov 2016 #61

Bullshit II Honey. Turnout was already higher than 2012. But don't let the facts betray LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #86

Yes Lokilooney Nov 2016 #90

The "propaganda" belongs to you, not me 7962 Nov 2016 #103

Aaaah so you admit that you're wrong by trying to project on me...Nice try. No dice LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #109

Keep. Making. Excuses. 7962 Nov 2016 #112

**2** Things We Should NOT Do: Martin Eden Nov 2016 #65

At this juncture, doing number 2 yields number one to the KGB/GOP. nt LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #131

Hiding your head in the sand is never a good strategy Martin Eden Nov 2016 #133

The only ones with their heads in the sand are the ones pretending LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #141

Who at DU is pretending the KGB had nothing to do with it? Martin Eden Nov 2016 #142

The same ones trying to run a "what can we do better" when we're LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #144

How long will this "midst" last? Martin Eden Nov 2016 #145

As long as the cover up does. LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #146

Why can't progressive billionaires create a news channel like a Fox did during the Clinton admin? world wide wally Nov 2016 #66

an all-liberal/progressive network would be so welcome steventh Nov 2016 #73

And they could afford to pay all those people too! world wide wally Nov 2016 #74

Like Air America? philosslayer Nov 2016 #88

Did what I described sound like Air America? world wide wally Nov 2016 #120

Which big names do you propose? philosslayer Nov 2016 #121

Keith Olberman, Rachel Maddow, Lawrence O'Donnell, Joy Reid, Bill Mahr, for starters world wide wally Nov 2016 #123

You mean.... MSNBC? philosslayer Nov 2016 #125

Olberman and Mahr aren't on MSNBC and MSNBC always tried to hide being liberal. world wide wally Nov 2016 #128

I'm not being negative philosslayer Nov 2016 #130

I've wondered the same thing myself. Ligyron Nov 2016 #110

If u vote GOP ,,,,, Cryptoad Nov 2016 #67

its called CHEATING. STEALING. pansypoo53219 Nov 2016 #69

...and hacking. nt LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #93

That's how they do. We can't stop them, but we can definitely fight all the rhetoric and ancianita Nov 2016 #78

Post removed Post removed Nov 2016 #79

Sorry, we don't buy that shit here, unlike your buddies over at JPR. JTFrog Nov 2016 #81

K&R betsuni Nov 2016 #80

Thank you! ananda Nov 2016 #85

stop letting them? barbtries Nov 2016 #87

1! KPN Nov 2016 #119

Exactly treestar Nov 2016 #126

K & f'ing R! mcar Nov 2016 #92

1000!!!! AgadorSparticus Nov 2016 #95

Dont Think of an Elephant! fleabiscuit Nov 2016 #96

James Comey committed an act of treason and should be tried for it. Initech Nov 2016 #102

The next time anyone says the words "liberal media" mountain grammy Nov 2016 #113

As long as it gets a reaction or changes your train of thought, they will nolabels Nov 2016 #129

"liberal media" is just another conservative con job. Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #135

T.o.o m.a.n.y p.e.r.i.o.d.s.. W.h.a.t. d.o.e.s. i.t. a.c.c.o.m.p.l.i.s.h.? Buzz Clik Nov 2016 #115

It makes it sound authoritative treestar Nov 2016 #124

I thought it was effective.. you're using too many though ;) JHan Dec 2016 #151

I agree with you. nt LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #153

Agree! UCmeNdc Nov 2016 #138

Hell yeah! They talk about everything else but the strange way voting machines work UCmeNdc Nov 2016 #139

K&R! DemonGoddess Nov 2016 #143

brought back bc we need a reminder. nt LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #150

They are still trying to divide. Shameless kick for posterity. nt LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #152

Even here on DU triron Jan 2017 #156

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2016 #154

kick. LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #155