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2016 Postmortem

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RBInMaine

(13,570 posts)
Sun Nov 27, 2016, 07:54 AM Nov 2016

The Democratic Party is for social AND economic justice. It isn't an "either/or" situation! [View all]

Enough of this nonsense about claiming the Democratic Party is wrongly shifting away from social justice in favor of economic justice everywhere (including the industrial Midwest). No one, I repeat, no one is saying that Democrats should "abandon" urban concerns or should in any way, shape, or form "abandon" fighting for full inclusion or fighting against racism or sexism or discrimination against ANYONE.

You know, it is actually possible to have a strong, compelling, MORAL, populist economic message for EVERY area of the country and to respect ALL cultures in the country while still standing up for the civil rights of all Americans. How anyone could possibly think this is some kind of "either/or" proposition is ludicrous.

A national party needs a big tent and can have messages that unite all parts of the party. People of ALL races need an economy that works for them. Social and economic justice go absolutely hand in hand. Economic disparities cut across racial and geographic lines. Unemployment rates among urban minorities and rural white folks are BOTH much too high and BOTH are disgraceful and must be addressed.

So we can fight for the civil rights and human dignity of ALL people which goes hand in hand with fighting the corporate oligarchy and for economic justice and improvement for all people everywhere. We MUST do BOTH, and we can!

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There was nothing wrong with the message, platform, campaign or candidate. ucrdem Nov 2016 #1
Well, there were some real problems. Here they are: RBInMaine Nov 2016 #3
Those are myths. She won bigly. Mistakes were made but in the voting rights department. ucrdem Nov 2016 #4
a million! BlueMTexpat Nov 2016 #5
Absolutely. ucrdem Nov 2016 #7
But, that is our democracy. Else You Are Mad Nov 2016 #13
Not entirely correct in my view. Hillary herself ... KPN Nov 2016 #19
Sounds like a lot of denial to me. KPN Nov 2016 #18
A lot of that going around lately. n/t paleotn Nov 2016 #27
Perhaps, but the Wagging finger smilie probably won't help your case. emulatorloo Nov 2016 #51
You are right -- it was a reaction to a couple of other folks' emojis that ... KPN Nov 2016 #57
We're only human. emulatorloo Nov 2016 #59
Obviously, Midwestern states were taken for granted.... paleotn Nov 2016 #26
Sorry, RB, Hillary could BlueMTexpat Nov 2016 #6
Yes, read it and weep. mountain grammy Nov 2016 #11
OMG THAT IS EXCELLENT! BumRushDaShow Nov 2016 #17
Good article, but ... KPN Nov 2016 #24
I agree with the alternate reality based on fundigelical religion.... paleotn Nov 2016 #31
Yep, the rural rust belt will never vote for Democratic presidential candidates gollygee Nov 2016 #52
Lol the rust belt states were blue realmirage Nov 2016 #60
The states are generally blue but NOT because of rural areas! gollygee Nov 2016 #62
Agreed. Dustlawyer Nov 2016 #10
Agreed! Although ... KPN Nov 2016 #23
Yup! We need to ignore the naysayers and work to make this happen ourselves. KPN Nov 2016 #25
The campaign gambled, and the campaign lost.... vi5 Nov 2016 #30
I can agree with this, I posted several rants against Podesta et al radius777 Nov 2016 #45
K & R n/t TubbersUK Nov 2016 #2
The loudest people shouting to change the Democratic Party have never supported the Democratic Party baldguy Nov 2016 #8
a million! eom BlueMTexpat Nov 2016 #48
Hillary DID have a strong message for both social and economic justice. pnwmom Nov 2016 #9
Sadly I agree. mountain grammy Nov 2016 #12
Don't forget... Else You Are Mad Nov 2016 #15
Hillary did have a relatively strong economic message. KPN Nov 2016 #22
She didn't connect and yet his racist, sexist message wasn't a problem. pnwmom Nov 2016 #42
Yes, it tells us what was more important for some people. KPN Nov 2016 #56
Bingo! As I've written in this thread and elsewhere... Garrett78 Nov 2016 #40
That's a really interesting, if depressing, piece. Thanks! n/t pnwmom Nov 2016 #41
Sure thing. Garrett78 Nov 2016 #43
Yes, she had both while someone else kept saying that the social issues weren't important. JTFrog Nov 2016 #55
Thank you. whathehell Nov 2016 #14
Perfect! KPN Nov 2016 #21
These are all side issues..... The real problem is voting machines being hacked UCmeNdc Nov 2016 #16
Kudos for pointing out what should be obvious ... KPN Nov 2016 #20
Obama managed to balance both messages just fine... vi5 Nov 2016 #28
Yes, but in this election that did not happen, and now in dealing with the aftermath, Yo_Mama Nov 2016 #34
No, I agree completely.... vi5 Nov 2016 #36
2012 was a different universe radius777 Nov 2016 #46
I absolutely agree Beearewhyain Nov 2016 #29
It definitely is not. Thank you for posting this. Yo_Mama Nov 2016 #32
I think North Carolina proved you need both social and eco justice Jersey Devil Nov 2016 #33
Democrats writing off half the electorate many a good man Nov 2016 #35
Trump won't be lowering their taxes. He's going to be slashing the taxes pnwmom Nov 2016 #44
working whites voted Dem back then because the party turned a blind eye radius777 Nov 2016 #47
We've got a ways to go before we can claim to respect ALL cultures Dems to Win Nov 2016 #37
It's the messenger, not the message. Look at Trump for proof of that. randome Nov 2016 #38
Yes bravenak Nov 2016 #49
A substantial portion of (mostly white) America cannot be reached by the Democratic Party. Garrett78 Nov 2016 #39
True but that isn't an excuse to stop contesting for the ones you can even if they look like the TheKentuckian Nov 2016 #61
correct. it is not either/or or us vs. them. nt TheFrenchRazor Nov 2016 #50
Personally, I think they've focused on social issues more than economic ones, CrispyQ Nov 2016 #53
Thank you RBInMaine for the positive and correct message. nt/kr PufPuf23 Nov 2016 #54
Makes perfect sense mtnsnake Nov 2016 #58
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