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musicblind

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28. We need to debunk this "states vote" crap. NO people vote.
Sat Nov 26, 2016, 03:55 AM
Nov 2016

Land does not vote, trees do not vote. PEOPLE do.

And the Electoral College was NOT created to give power to the smaller states. The Federalist Papers contradict this. The Electoral College, as explained by Hamilton, was created to thwart the will of the people if a dangerous demagogue appeared to be taking over. It was also seen as a way to appease slave states.

The Electoral College has nothing to do with trying to make people "win the most states" you can win the EC with just 11 states. It has nothing to do with giving smaller states a larger voice, and that is backed up by contemporary records.

The President doesn't command cacti and prairie grass. The President commands people and people are equal no matter where they chose to live.

The claim that the EC is meant to protect us from population centers is even crazier. Guess what decides the outcome in most states? That state's population center. You know why? Because PEOPLE vote. Tumbleweed and outhouses do not vote.

We should be screaming this from the rooftops.

Why is a life worth less in California than it is in Wyoming?

And even if this were what the founding fathers wanted, then the founding fathers were WRONG. It isn't blasphemy to say that they were wrong.

Thomas Jefferson said this:

I am not an advocate for frequent changes in laws and Constitutions. But laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths discovered and manners and opinions change, with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also to keep pace with the times. We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy as civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors.


We should be throwing that quote in the face of every single person who barks about what the founding fathers wanted as if the founding fathers were personally dictating Jesus Christ.
President isn't elected by popular vote. LisaL Nov 2016 #1
But a President elected by a minority has no mandate. tinrobot Nov 2016 #18
Bush had no mandate, so he started a war of aggression. SleeplessinSoCal Nov 2016 #31
No mandate is needed EL34x4 Nov 2016 #34
i agree, democrats need to embrace it. i said in another thread if Trump had won by just 20 Thousand JI7 Nov 2016 #2
True that pangaia Nov 2016 #23
so true treestar Nov 2016 #33
Mr. Abrahams BainsBane Nov 2016 #3
not claiming trump will never be president. concede does NOT total defeat and surrender nt msongs Nov 2016 #4
I know I will get yelled at, but in my discussions here (not DU) is why democrats are RKP5637 Nov 2016 #5
Yep, we won bigly in California. I'm glad we won popular vote and thank you California and NY Hoyt Nov 2016 #6
All this is only good enough to annoy Trump a little bit. LisaL Nov 2016 #7
And he's punishing NYC accordingly EL34x4 Nov 2016 #35
And what do we do about it? RandySF Nov 2016 #8
with 2.5 million vote win you have the will of the people and the other guy does not nt msongs Nov 2016 #11
If the US had proportional representation, Mrs. Clinton would have won the Presidency. akbacchus_BC Nov 2016 #9
Exactly pangaia Nov 2016 #25
"You all"? FBaggins Nov 2016 #38
I stand with Churchill - "We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, msongs Nov 2016 #10
Thing is, just like 2004, we have to contend with this bigot for another 4 years. akbacchus_BC Nov 2016 #12
In the meantime they destroy SS and Medicare pangaia Nov 2016 #26
2018 looks horrid. I worry repugs will get the magic 60 seats yeoman6987 Nov 2016 #39
You have posted this how many times now? Kingofalldems Nov 2016 #40
to all the "popular vote don't matter" types DonCoquixote Nov 2016 #13
This right here. Saviolo Nov 2016 #16
The point is that the Dems Nonhlanhla Nov 2016 #14
Democratic politicians are for the most part chicken shits pangaia Nov 2016 #27
And this is the problem in a nutshell. Nay Nov 2016 #36
Another reason we need new Democratic leadership! Red Oak Nov 2016 #15
Then work on and Constution ammendment and get the votes for it Kathy M Nov 2016 #17
You know Trump and his supporters would be on MSM like FOX News UCmeNdc Nov 2016 #19
I'm with you: if the GOP had won the popular vote and lost the election... C Moon Nov 2016 #20
Our dudes are too busy fighting the recount EricMaundry Nov 2016 #21
That's not even our dudes pangaia Nov 2016 #29
K&R Scruffy1 Nov 2016 #22
It all comes down to the American people. who seem to be a pathetic, easily manipulated lot world wide wally Nov 2016 #24
We need to debunk this "states vote" crap. NO people vote. musicblind Nov 2016 #28
I especially like.. pangaia Nov 2016 #30
People seem to think this has never happened before...... Historic NY Nov 2016 #32
We are just smart enough to know marlakay Nov 2016 #37
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