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2016 Postmortem

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NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 12:25 AM Nov 2016

Hillary Lost Because ... [View all]

Between FaceBook, other social media, and the many political sites I frequent, apparently HRC lost the election for at least a hundred reasons – and counting.

She didn’t connect with voters, she didn’t hold enough rallies, she didn’t smile enough, she didn’t debate well, she spent too little time in some states, she spent too much time in the same states. She was too much like Obama, she wasn’t enough like Obama. Her speeches were too subtle, her speeches were over-the-top. She played to the right audience at the wrong time, she played to the wrong audience at the right time.

She should have focused more on policy, she should have focused more on personality. She went too negative on Trump, she should have gone for Trump’s throat. She had the wrong campaign advisors, she had the wrong spokespeople. She was too confident, she was not confident enough. She wore the wrong clothes, she was too concerned about her appearance. She was too dumbed-down, she was too intellectual.

She shoulda, woulda, coulda won easily if only she’d listened to the Monday morning quarterbacks who have become overnight experts on political campaigns – but only after-the-fact. But that’s always the way. It’s only after the game is called on Sunday afternoon that the experts show up to explain how the team would have gone on to certain victory, had their heretofore silence been heeded.

The fact of the matter is that HRC won the popular vote. That means that for all of the kvetching by the “she did everything wrong” crowd, she apparently did a lot of things right. The majority of voters heard her message loud and clear, and cast their ballots accordingly. The majority of voters embraced HER message, and dismissed Trump’s “make America great again” bullshit. The majority of voters chose HER vision of what the country could be and should be, and rejected the inane ramblings of a bigoted racist who took pride in his own ignorance, his own dishonesty, and his own abject stupidity.

When the majority of voters voted for HRC, it seems rather ludicrous to talk about how she went so wrong.

And let’s keep something else in mind. Hillary WON the majority of votes despite the fact that she has been scorned and ridiculed for thirty years without respite, despite the fact that the MSM fawned over Trump and ignored all of his obvious lies, fraud, lawsuits, and conflicts of interest, despite the fact that she was an “uppity woman” competing for a job many consider to be the sole domain of men, despite the fact that she has been cast as a criminal for doing the same things in office her predecessors have done, and despite the fact that the media focused on Benghazi-and-emails while never even mentioning Trump’s inexperience, ignorance of how government works, and his blatant stupidity in respect of every facet of foreign and domestic affairs.

Add into the mix that despite the fact that the FBI, via Comey, declared that HRC was “still under active investigation” for wrongdoing when she clearly wasn’t, that so-called “truth-tellers” like Julian Assange released emails that cast Hillary as the ultimate villain while never saying a word against Trump or his shady dealings with Putin and the PTB in Russia and elsewhere, and that Hillary was accused of having literally murdered scores of political adversaries by so-called “progressives” who regurgitated all of the above, because they’d rather see Trump in the White House than be cheated out of saying “I told you so” to those who didn’t support their candidate-of-choice in the primaries, HRC STILL WON the majority of votes cast.

I cannot think of another politician in our country’s history who could have withstood the constant onslaught of lies paraded as truth, three decades of scrutiny by those determined to vilify her, and a never-ending army of nay-sayers set on her destruction – while she STILL went on to win the support of the majority of her fellow citizens.

So spare me the “Hillary lost because …” bullshit. She didn’t lose – the country did. And so says the majority of those who bothered to vote, as opposed to those who spend their lives on websites bragging about their after-the-fact political expertise.

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Hillary Lost Because ... [View all] NanceGreggs Nov 2016 OP
"She didn't lose --the country did." Perfect. Hoyt Nov 2016 #1
100 Auntie Bush Nov 2016 #108
Damn straight ailsagirl Nov 2016 #152
Except ... she lost. earthside Nov 2016 #206
If you say so. Don't think you get it. Hoyt Nov 2016 #207
Oh, I get it ... earthside Nov 2016 #208
She kinda did lose though. SpareribSP Nov 2016 #212
This is true, but the amateur pundits it's aimed at are not listening. TreasonousBastard Nov 2016 #2
She lost because of a stupid outmoded electoral college pbmus Nov 2016 #3
Good! I'm following up PatrickforO Nov 2016 #56
Hillary lost because kacekwl Nov 2016 #100
So freaking well said. narnian60 Nov 2016 #123
Her first full year of responses on the emails absolutely WERE NOT admitting her mistakes. MadDAsHell Nov 2016 #132
As someone who worked in newspapers, I agree ... ificandream Nov 2016 #197
The Compact is probably unconstitutional, and likely violates the Voting Rights Act Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #105
Thank you for your time putting this together pbmus Nov 2016 #107
electoral college and hacking. nt TheFrenchRazor Nov 2016 #173
This is everything I've wanted to say but too slothful to attempt. betsuni Nov 2016 #4
Nance still has the energy and the fire. Thank gods for that. Hekate Nov 2016 #5
Yes... I don't necessarily agree with all of Nance's views, but she certainly makes her argument powerfully and eloquently. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2016 #83
It's not just Hillary - Democrats in all areas are in the minority...you don't care to find out why? realmirage Nov 2016 #6
Thank you! ybbor Nov 2016 #16
Wait a minute! The GOP was/is on the brink of disaster. How do Democrats respond to the Nazi Party? SleeplessinSoCal Nov 2016 #48
Yes, if only she had pandered to transphobes and homophobes. emulatorloo Nov 2016 #76
Well Reasoned.............? HenryWallace Nov 2016 #101
We were suppose to "retool the party" after the election of 2000 INdemo Nov 2016 #80
Good article, thanks Martin Eden Nov 2016 #89
Exactly! green917 Nov 2016 #106
She lost because of lines drawn on a map in the 18th and 19th centuries. tinrobot Nov 2016 #7
Exactly pbmus Nov 2016 #9
And lines drawn by republican legislatures after the 2010 Census. muddrunner17 Nov 2016 #22
District lines play no part in the electoral college DeadEyeDyck Nov 2016 #82
amen, the ... FACT... that she won the popular vote means at ....MOST... there was a tactical error uponit7771 Nov 2016 #8
That only holds up if the only office is the Presidency and even that only narrowly against TheKentuckian Nov 2016 #191
Let me add #101 eridani Nov 2016 #10
Add Hillary herself to "those Democrats." nt MadDAsHell Nov 2016 #45
Yep. That was the death knell. Even a lot of regular Democrats hated that the Nay Nov 2016 #110
What's a "regular Democrat"? lapucelle Nov 2016 #144
Sorry, I should have been clearer. I don't consider myself a regular Democrat Nay Nov 2016 #179
The MEdia was the WORST i i have ever seen it this campaign . Google news search was full of JI7 Nov 2016 #11
I'm not convinced she lost. Let's see ffr Nov 2016 #12
Was she aware of how this worked? ybbor Nov 2016 #13
move on? Skittles Nov 2016 #20
Ok... ybbor Nov 2016 #24
I want everyone to know the TRUTH about what happened with this election Skittles Nov 2016 #26
It'll certainly be paying for it for decades if you just sit back and refight the same battle. Kentonio Nov 2016 #219
Oh, I get it now! NanceGreggs Nov 2016 #21
Wrong ybbor Nov 2016 #29
Thank you! dae Nov 2016 #43
I hate pointing out the truth sometimes ybbor Nov 2016 #49
Good post. cwydro Nov 2016 #74
Thanks ybbor Nov 2016 #88
I thank you as well. Many Dems have been screaming for years that we have Nay Nov 2016 #94
Preach it! ybbor Nov 2016 #102
Well, said. Captain Stern Nov 2016 #120
it was apparently obvious to those paying close attention on the ground. BREMPRO Nov 2016 #142
Christ.. Kentonio Nov 2016 #220
She didn't have a message? mcar Nov 2016 #182
She would have won if she looked at a fucking electoral map. The math wasn't hard. nt MadDAsHell Nov 2016 #46
And yet another ... NanceGreggs Nov 2016 #50
Orrrrr....simply showed up in those states. But no, she wasn't arrogant at all. MadDAsHell Nov 2016 #90
Now, now... ybbor Nov 2016 #91
Who exactly comprises the "them" that you're tring to kill? lapucelle Nov 2016 #141
It's a saying for how to treat those who are not treating you very nicely. ybbor Nov 2016 #149
That's a peculiar reading of the idiom. lapucelle Nov 2016 #150
The kill refers to the death of their argument, not them themselves. Kentonio Nov 2016 #221
IT'S JUST A SAYING, AN ADAGE, A SAW, A MAXIM, AN EXPRESSION... Yurovsky Nov 2016 #228
Yet Obama won those states. Exilednight Nov 2016 #201
Yes Lokilooney Nov 2016 #127
Yes, Hillary was totally ignorant of the Electoral College. emulatorloo Nov 2016 #77
Yes, new meme... ybbor Nov 2016 #85
This Kathy M Nov 2016 #125
Some of your remarks are disgustingly patronizing and sexist. lapucelle Nov 2016 #138
Okay... ybbor Nov 2016 #148
Exactly. LisaM Nov 2016 #202
gerrymandering .... Lil Missy Nov 2016 #14
How? FBaggins Nov 2016 #84
I suppose it could play a role in this sense: Garrett78 Nov 2016 #126
1000!!!! As always, Nance, you are spot on!!!! AgadorSparticus Nov 2016 #15
No, she's not. ybbor Nov 2016 #18
Yeah, I am SO sure you're pissed. n/t NanceGreggs Nov 2016 #23
What does that even mean? ybbor Nov 2016 #31
The poster melman Nov 2016 #36
Yeah, that's what I figured ybbor Nov 2016 #37
What is an example radical noodle Nov 2016 #54
Good question ybbor Nov 2016 #58
If you "don't like what THEY do here" ... NanceGreggs Nov 2016 #60
Are you the board police? melman Nov 2016 #61
Board police? NanceGreggs Nov 2016 #63
lol melman Nov 2016 #64
Did you not abandon DU entirely for a while when you first started losing your popularity? MadDAsHell Nov 2016 #134
I left DU in 2009 ... NanceGreggs Nov 2016 #157
People have come and gone and come back again for a number of reasons. I did the same thing too.... George II Nov 2016 #180
Been here since 2001. Not the friendliest forum I've seen though, took me a while to actually... MadDAsHell Nov 2016 #185
Well quite honestly the post I responded to wasn't exactly the friendliest either. George II Nov 2016 #188
Interesting Cary Nov 2016 #184
I concur friend... MadDAsHell Nov 2016 #186
I actually go back to around 2004 Cary Nov 2016 #187
Curious posting history, especially since he claims to have been here since 2001 but.... George II Nov 2016 #195
Totally Cary Nov 2016 #196
Post removed Post removed Nov 2016 #67
Are you implying something? jack_krass Nov 2016 #66
again Skittles Nov 2016 #27
Try reading for comprehension. NanceGreggs Nov 2016 #165
Ok sorry ybbor Nov 2016 #167
No, she didn't win the EC ... NanceGreggs Nov 2016 #168
I apologized, why do you continue to insult me? ybbor Nov 2016 #169
The only people I "insulted" ... NanceGreggs Nov 2016 #170
You know what? I'm not sorry... ybbor Nov 2016 #175
Again, reading comprehension. NanceGreggs Nov 2016 #190
Your premise is deeply flawed. Kentonio Nov 2016 #222
Your reply is deeply flawed ... NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #230
Uh huh... "No way She will never get my vote..." grossproffit Nov 2016 #204
Oopsie! mcar Nov 2016 #205
I'll tell ya what's an oopsie... ybbor Nov 2016 #229
Nice fishing! I'm not afraid to admit I said it on July 2 ybbor Nov 2016 #210
I've said it before, I'll say it again -- madamesilverspurs Nov 2016 #17
Well, if I ever grow up ... NanceGreggs Nov 2016 #38
1000. n/t pnwmom Nov 2016 #19
electoral college panbanger Nov 2016 #25
Here's the thing, though -- Nay Nov 2016 #113
Because all our resources were focused on "making history" with our Presidential candidate's gender MadDAsHell Nov 2016 #136
Yes, there was a lot of that sort of feeling; that another historic presidency was Nay Nov 2016 #183
Frankly... JHan Nov 2016 #28
She lost because more people in 30 states voted for Trump and not Clinton. Leontius Nov 2016 #30
Thank you! ybbor Nov 2016 #34
Thank You ! Kathy M Nov 2016 #155
I'm just going to add... JSup Nov 2016 #32
You beat me to it... this cannot be stated often enough!! InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2016 #57
A lot of that shit was propagated right here on DU; I specifically remember a "bloodbath" post.. MadDAsHell Nov 2016 #139
So now we deny that she lost? Flatpicker Nov 2016 #33
Ah, the inevitable ... NanceGreggs Nov 2016 #40
Nope Flatpicker Nov 2016 #42
She's unable to answer your questions because we are not supposed to ask them ybbor Nov 2016 #44
I don't really fault them for it Flatpicker Nov 2016 #47
As a matter of fact... ybbor Nov 2016 #51
I do melman Nov 2016 #53
I guess you didn't get the memo. NanceGreggs Nov 2016 #59
Once again Flatpicker Nov 2016 #62
I couldn't agree more with you, Flatpicker mtnsnake Nov 2016 #128
KNR Thank you! Lucinda Nov 2016 #35
She won the popular vote by at least 2 million elmac Nov 2016 #39
This message was self-deleted by its author EL34x4 Nov 2016 #68
Good luck with the south bashing there dude. cwydro Nov 2016 #75
But they did chose HRC during the primary elmac Nov 2016 #98
What will be your Madame President's first act in office? MadDAsHell Nov 2016 #146
She "lost" because of King_Klonopin Nov 2016 #41
"she was placed in a no-win situation regarding ..." Martin Eden Nov 2016 #122
Great post! nt ybbor Nov 2016 #133
Perfect radical noodle Nov 2016 #52
That contested primary didn't help. ucrdem Nov 2016 #55
K&R! stonecutter357 Nov 2016 #65
She's winning the popular vote solely because of California. EL34x4 Nov 2016 #69
👎🏻 Auntie Bush Nov 2016 #111
You are, of course, 100 percent correct. earthside Nov 2016 #209
And your point is? JHan Nov 2016 #211
The point is that Hillary lost SpareribSP Nov 2016 #213
Where in my post did you pick up that I am not aware that Hillary lost the presidency? JHan Nov 2016 #214
I'm not saying you're wrong about abolishing the EC SpareribSP Nov 2016 #215
Trump's message would not have resonated in California. JHan Nov 2016 #216
He wouldn't have to win California with no EC SpareribSP Nov 2016 #217
It's not "disingenuous" . You also acknowledge the E.C needs reform JHan Nov 2016 #218
Why on earth would we waste the time and effort? Kentonio Nov 2016 #223
You cannot control what people choose to talk about or concern themselves with.. JHan Nov 2016 #225
When did I say I had any interest in controlling what people choose to talk about? Kentonio Nov 2016 #226
Yes Democrats can focus on message.. JHan Nov 2016 #227
Democrats lost because...... democrank Nov 2016 #70
"And if the answer is always that it's the other person' fault, we'll keep right on losing." MadDAsHell Nov 2016 #145
During the campaign, I was astonished with the negative reaction to some Democrats saying democrank Nov 2016 #151
Hillary lost because she RAN. mtnsnake Nov 2016 #71
Take a look at Kurt Eichenwald's post-mortem when you get a chance. emulatorloo Nov 2016 #79
I have no doubt whatsoever that Trump would have eaten Sanders for breakfast. LisaL Nov 2016 #86
Apparently neither was Clinton Nevernose Nov 2016 #96
Who would be a strong general contender after all the attacks? LisaL Nov 2016 #97
Before the primaries started I said, on DU Nevernose Nov 2016 #99
Oh, man, 1000 to you. I said a similar thing in one of my above posts. We have to Nay Nov 2016 #115
How do we stop the FBI from pulling this shit again? First, there should have already Nay Nov 2016 #116
A contender who doesn't first deny she made a mistake for a full year MadDAsHell Nov 2016 #147
He would have eaten him and then spit him out. Auntie Bush Nov 2016 #112
I agree. liquid diamond Nov 2016 #114
Thanks for the link. That was an interesting read. dawg Nov 2016 #87
That's a great link. Thanks for that. Number23 Nov 2016 #172
... emulatorloo Nov 2016 #192
It would have been a bit strange for her not to run given that she was polling in the 60s StevieM Nov 2016 #199
K&R for reason. Dr Hobbitstein Nov 2016 #72
I agree that the country lost. quaker bill Nov 2016 #73
The Republicans won the House, the Senate, and the majority of Governorships and ... dawg Nov 2016 #78
Good point. emulatorloo Nov 2016 #81
Yes, and that's why the Pubs have been able to fuck with the state election Nay Nov 2016 #117
I'm sure they see it, but what can they do? dawg Nov 2016 #119
If it's true that the DNC has no money for state races, even the races that Nay Nov 2016 #121
First of all... kentuck Nov 2016 #92
And people underestimated Trump at every turn. LisaL Nov 2016 #93
Yes, that's called "framing," and George Lakoff has begged the DNC to listen Nay Nov 2016 #118
yes. We need to be better at manipulating the media and framing the argument better Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #156
Try this one on for size tavalon Nov 2016 #95
K AND R GAZILLION niyad Nov 2016 #103
Apparently DU needs more time to grieve! HenryWallace Nov 2016 #104
HRC was the captain of the ship. ZX86 Nov 2016 #109
Is that supposed to make sense? NanceGreggs Nov 2016 #158
What doesn't make sense is ZX86 Nov 2016 #177
Nicely put. Kentonio Nov 2016 #224
She was always very bad choice from the very beginning. cpwm17 Nov 2016 #124
Post removed Post removed Nov 2016 #130
Her poll movement history held true... ybbor Nov 2016 #135
Flaming out? nt JTFrog Nov 2016 #137
That's bullshit. ismnotwasm Nov 2016 #140
Come out and say liquid diamond Nov 2016 #143
K and R oasis Nov 2016 #129
When Trump said the election was rigged The Wizard Nov 2016 #131
Well, given that it seemed like.... vi5 Nov 2016 #153
Kick and rec to the power of infinity. ClusterFreak Nov 2016 #154
A hostile foreign power manipulated U.S. public opinion before the vote. VOX Nov 2016 #159
Can't say much more than thank you ... so thank you... ificandream Nov 2016 #160
for what it is worth, this here armchair politician hfojvt Nov 2016 #161
Considering how much OH went for Trump, not sure picking Sherrod Brown would have helped there. LisaL Nov 2016 #162
huh, you may have a point hfojvt Nov 2016 #163
Lose Bear Creek Nov 2016 #164
Jesus there is a lot of bitter vetch on this thread ismnotwasm Nov 2016 #166
I haven't been here in months but are the Sanders folks still screaming that he was the only one Number23 Nov 2016 #171
K&R! DemonGoddess Nov 2016 #174
hillary lost because not all democrats. liberals, and progresives voted for her or didn't vote beachbum bob Nov 2016 #176
I'll take these on point by point. Exilednight Nov 2016 #178
Well said ybbor Nov 2016 #189
Thank you Nance! mcar Nov 2016 #181
This Salon article agrees with you ificandream Nov 2016 #193
I fully agree with your point but technically she didn't win a "majority". tarheelsunc Nov 2016 #194
Well she certainly cleaned house in CA and NY... jmg257 Nov 2016 #198
The Democrats lost this race when Barack Obama decided to be bipartisan and appointed James Comey StevieM Nov 2016 #200
Hillary Lost because of voter fraud - CROSSCHECK run by Kris Kobach eliminating millions womanofthehills Nov 2016 #203
The Dem establishment failed to realize the financial hurt people are feeling ... cliffside Dec 2016 #231
Hillary won by 2.5 milliion and Trump goes to the White House because cheating. Coyotl Dec 2016 #232
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